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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 1:19:33 PM
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
I disagree. I am not sure having a lot of support is an indication that someone will make a good leader ... (I am not comparing Obama with the list that follows in my next sentence ... just attempting to make a point) ... A charismatic person can find it easy to get others to follow ... Hitler is a good example of the "darkside" of charisma. You can be a so so leader (in terms of ideas and judgment) and have a charismatic personality that gets many to follow.
I do not believe Obama has the judgment it takes. He was against the war when all of the intelligence stated there was WMD in Iraq ... that was a lucky guess ... not based on any facts he had in front of him. He was very wrong on the surge (and still will not admit it) and has a difficult time with making decisions on a regular bases. (An example of that is "voting" present instead of yes or no on a hard issue.) Our President doesn't have the luxury to vote present ... it's either yes or no.
Obama did not start by having that support. He gained it by running a successful campaign, eventually flipping even many of Hillary's high-profile supporters. I don't really see what Hitler has to do with this. The comparison is absurd, and Hitler never ran against Hillary Clinton anyways, so what are you even talking about?
As to WMDs, the intelligence issue is separate, and highly debatable anyways. If you're reasonably skeptical of government, the motives of leaders, and weary of war, it was never a cut-and-dry case. Far, far from it. Besides, the decision to go to war is the judgment issue. In the end, the Iraq war has done little (if anything) to make us safer, it was a major distraction in the war on terror, and it's a major component in us dropping the ball in Afghanistan. I would say that it was great judgment.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 3:59:13 PM
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We are on Page four of this thread and the Obama Kool-Aid drinkers have offered not one accomplishment.
Signing onto a bill, community organizing (what ever that is), etc. just where are the "Accomplishments" that qualify him for President?????
As the comedian Engalls says, "Here's yoru sign"'; he aint's qualified.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 4:25:51 PM
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
I disagree....
See? Why bother? It's useless. All you're doing is giving the haters another thread to air his shortcomings. You'll never get an Obamahater to admit he accomplished anything except voting to put babies in blenders. That's all he did all his life. Nothing else.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 5:06:25 PM
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There certainly is a preference factor involved, but objectively there is just no way that Obama's resume has anywhere near the executive qualifications that McCain's does.
What are McCain's executive qualifications that Obama cannot touch?
I have already listed them twice in this thread. Please read the thread before asking repetitive questions! The bottom line is that Barack Obama is an energetic new Senator, a good-looking palm-presser who can get people excited even without being specific, he has intellect and went to some prestigious (albeit extremely liberal) schools, he has demonstrated a faithful marriage and has two lovely daughters who adore him, he worked in a soup-kitchen and wrote some books... BUT... none of that really makes for a leader, and none of that demonstrates any more decision making ability than most average Americans.
Keep in mind that this is excluding Mr. Obama's abysmal social policies. Even if I forget the socialist nature of his economic and foreign policies, his social policies disqualify him quite handily from the office of the President. Maybe someday, when he has matured a little more and his worldview looks more like the Christian faith he professes, maybe then he will be ready. But not in 2008.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 6:11:10 PM
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Nothing, that is, that you would accept.
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Why don't you try me? I told you that I would have no problem recognizing his leadership accomplishments. IF YOU COULD POINT THEM OUT. So far that hasn't happened. Why is that?
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 9:18:12 PM
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Nothing, that is, that you would accept.
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Why don't you try me? I told you that I would have no problem recognizing his leadership accomplishments. IF YOU COULD POINT THEM OUT. So far that hasn't happened. Why is that?
What difference does it make? Obama has no leadership accomplishments that you would accept. That's not good enough for you? We've had 5 pages so far of people going to great lengths providing what they believe are leadership qualitities and for each one you guys gleefully push the "wrong answer" buzzer, probably before you even read the whole post. You get a kick out of that, don't you? Well guess what? I don't want to play your silly game. What do you want me to do? Say that he has no leadership ability or accomplishments PERIOD, end of discussion? Just tell me how you want me to word it. How bout, The Messiah, B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler, non-truly Christian and MAN WITH ABSOLUTELY NOOOOOOOO LEADERSHIP ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN HIS LIFE WHATSOEVER, does not deserve to be president? Want me to sign a surrender, you win, statement? I'm willing to work with you dude (or dudette). This ain't a battle worth fighting until the death. Not every thread HAS to go on forever, you know. It's football season.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 9:46:04 PM
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The Messiah, B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler, non-truly Christian and MAN WITH ABSOLUTELY NOOOOOOOO LEADERSHIP ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN HIS LIFE WHATSOEVER
That name just gets better and better, I love it.
Of course its ridiculous to suggest that SENATOR Obama has accomplished nothing in his life (remember the original topic). I can't imagine him not having any leadership ability at all, that doesn't make sense considering the things we know he has done. Just being a successful candidate requires some leadership ability, he is the leader of his own campaign. The question should be has he shown demonstrative leadership in a way that shows that he can be a capable leader of a superpower nation through difficult times. I tend to think no but I'm not an expert on his biography.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 10:38:29 PM
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
I disagree....
See? Why bother? It's useless. All you're doing is giving the haters another thread to air his shortcomings. You'll never get an Obamahater to admit he accomplished anything except voting to put babies in blenders. That's all he did all his life. Nothing else.
-Julius
It never ceases to amaze me how many people (on the left for the most part) have come to see disagreement (with their candidate) =hate. At the same time we are not to challenge, judge or question their disagreement with our side (Conservative).
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 10:52:21 PM
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Among other things, Obama ran a successful campaign against a wildly popular and establishment-supported Hillary Clinton. That's gonna take some serious leadership I think, among other things.
I disagree....
See? Why bother? It's useless. All you're doing is giving the haters another thread to air his shortcomings. You'll never get an Obamahater to admit he accomplished anything except voting to put babies in blenders. That's all he did all his life. Nothing else.
-Julius
It never ceases to amaze me how many people (on the left for the most part) have come to see disagreement (with their candidate) =hate. At the same time we are not to challenge, judge or question their disagreement with our side (Conservative).
I was using the slang form of the term "hater" which simply means in this context, someone who disapproves or something. Not "hate" the way you read it. Sorry if you misunderstood. I'll be more careful next time for the people who aren't hip. How 'bout, "Obamadisapprovers"?
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 11:15:32 PM
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Obama did not start by having that support. He gained it by running a successful campaign, eventually flipping even many of Hillary's high-profile supporters. I don't really see what Hitler has to do with this. The comparison is absurd, and Hitler never ran against Hillary Clinton anyways, so what are you even talking about?
Are you seriously suggesting that Obama built himself from nothing in the Democratic Party to the leader of the Democratioc Party in the last four years?
If you are you clearly seem to have less of an understanding of politics tha I have been accused of. At the very least you have a very short memory.
Obama came to national focus during Kerry's run for the White House when he spoke at the DNC that year. If memory serves me right Ted Kennedy was credited for that decision. Ted Kennedy is not light weight in the Democratic Party, also, at the time, it was said that Kennedy was not a great fan of the Clintons. In fact there were many Democrats who were not truely great fans of the Clintons. The union of Kennedy and Obama gave those people a greater voice in the Democratic Party than they seemed to have until that point. That is why his campaign has been successful.
For the Democratic Party, Obama simply is the right person at the right time. Through him they can separate themselves from the Clintons.
As to the point being made about Hitler and other charismatic leaders who rose to power, I believe it is easy to see. There are people in the world, and in history who have succeeded in their quest for position and power who had more people skills than leadership skills. They not only know how to talk to people, but who to talk to and gain their confidence and support. If they truely do have any kind of leadership skill is just enough to convince people that they have an idae what they are talking about and have a chance to achieve their goals, and do what they say they are going to do.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 11:52:12 PM
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There certainly is a preference factor involved, but objectively there is just no way that Obama's resume has anywhere near the executive qualifications that McCain's does.
What are McCain's executive qualifications that Obama cannot touch?
I have already listed them twice in this thread. Please read the thread before asking repetitive questions! The bottom line is that Barack Obama is an energetic new Senator, a good-looking palm-presser who can get people excited even without being specific, he has intellect and went to some prestigious (albeit extremely liberal) schools, he has demonstrated a faithful marriage and has two lovely daughters who adore him, he worked in a soup-kitchen and wrote some books... BUT... none of that really makes for a leader, and none of that demonstrates any more decision making ability than most average Americans.
Keep in mind that this is excluding Mr. Obama's abysmal social policies. Even if I forget the socialist nature of his economic and foreign policies, his social policies disqualify him quite handily from the office of the President. Maybe someday, when he has matured a little more and his worldview looks more like the Christian faith he professes, maybe then he will be ready. But not in 2008.
You were speaking of "executive qualifications". I assumed that meant some sort of unique insight into the job. I looked at what you wrote. It seemed to boil down to "he's been in the senate a long time, he was in the military, and he's generous". I don't see any of these as being uniquely relevant to the job, or anything that Obama might have a difficult time understanding himself.
So, what are the executive qualifications that Obama cannot touch? Obama was a law professor. McCain finished at the bottom of his class. Obama waged a successful campaign against Hillary Clinton. McCain was lucky, as all the other Republicans were incredibly weak. Obama was against the Iraq war, McCain was for it before it was popular.
I think that essentially whatever experience advantage McCain has, Obama can easily compensate via intelligence and judgment.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Obama built himself from nothing in the Democratic Party to the leader of the Democratioc Party in the last four years?
No. Read again. Obama waged a successful campaign against someone with enormous establishment support. Not an easy task, and many others failed.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/7/2008 11:58:01 PM
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And conservatives take infanticide so lightly that they throw it around like it rolls off the tongue. Any decent person knows that Obama has never supported infanticide. If you actually did some research you'd find that Obama didn't support the bill in question because there was an existing bill in place similar to the Born Alive Infant Protection Act. It's pretty extreme to call that infanticide. Infanticide is a pretty terrible thing. The killing of new born babies. To throw it around like that, as a smear, is disgraceful.
Or so the baby killers would have us to believe.
A review of the tapes and transcripts and the other bill prove the above post as pure DNC talking points and nothing more.
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I read the transcripts and Obama's primary objection was that he thought it would be overturned when it was challenged. What's the point of writing laws that are going to be overturned?
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 2:04:48 AM
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Huang... you are spinning horribly to the left. Abort! Abort! Eject!
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You were speaking of "executive qualifications". I assumed that meant some sort of unique insight into the job. I looked at what you wrote. It seemed to boil down to "he's been in the senate a long time, he was in the military, and he's generous". I don't see any of these as being uniquely relevant to the job, or anything that Obama might have a difficult time understanding himself.
25 years of working in the very government he hopes to head isn't "uniquely relevant to the job"?!? Obama is constantly heralded as a "successful Senator from Illinois", but has only 143 working days under his belt. McCain wins.
The self-discipline and character building of a military career seem "uniquely relevant" to any position of leadership. McCain has had to physically fight evil, and spent 5 wonderful years getting to know it first hand. Obama has no military experience, nor any formal discipline or character building experience that comes close. McCain wins.
Adopting needy children and supporting widows gives a glimpse of McCain's inner core. I grant that Obama worked a soup-kitchen (I have heard, but never seen a source). That is admirable. But it gets a little sullied by the fact that his community work is tied in with ACORN, the corrupt organization often accused of voter fraud. Obama gets marks, but McCain still wins.
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Obama waged a successful campaign against Hillary Clinton. McCain was lucky, as all the other Republicans were incredibly weak.
Your left spin really shines on this one. You elevate Obama's narrow victory to grand status, and dismiss McCain's come-from-behind darkhorse victory as "lucky". Obama's victory wasn't even certain on the week of his nomination. There was serious talk from both sides that Clinton may still claim her delegates, bringing the convention to a deadlock. Remember how they decided not to do a public roll call because the exposure of the slim margin of support Obama is hanging onto in the party would be embarrassing? McCain secured his party's nomination soundly months before their convention.
If you want to compare the successes of each campaign, do it without the spin.
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I think that essentially whatever experience advantage McCain has, Obama can easily compensate via intelligence and judgment.
Well, I'll at least give you 1 out of 2. Obama is a clever fellow.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 6:15:44 AM
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What difference does it make? Obama has no leadership accomplishments that you would accept. That's not good enough for you? We've had 5 pages so far of people going to great lengths providing what they believe are leadership qualitities and for each one you guys gleefully push the "wrong answer" buzzer, probably before you even read the whole post. You get a kick out of that, don't you?
You guys gave his accomplishments, i don't deny that he is an accomplished person. Those things are not leadership roles though.
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Well guess what? I don't want to play your silly game. What do you want me to do? Say that he has no leadership ability or accomplishments PERIOD, end of discussion?
I know the man has accomplishments but what accomplishments show that he is capable of leadership, THAT is my question.
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Just tell me how you want me to word it. How bout, The Messiah, B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler, non-truly Christian and MAN WITH ABSOLUTELY NOOOOOOOO LEADERSHIP ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN HIS LIFE WHATSOEVER, does not deserve to be president? Want me to sign a surrender, you win, statement? I'm willing to work with you dude (or dudette). This ain't a battle worth fighting until the death. Not every thread HAS to go on forever, you know. It's football season.
- Julius
Don't get grumpy with me, I asked a simple question. A simple answer would have sufficed. You guys keep throwing out the same accomplishments, while they are accomplishments they do not point to a leader.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 9:56:46 AM
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Huang... you are spinning horribly to the left. Abort! Abort! Eject!
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You were speaking of "executive qualifications". I assumed that meant some sort of unique insight into the job. I looked at what you wrote. It seemed to boil down to "he's been in the senate a long time, he was in the military, and he's generous". I don't see any of these as being uniquely relevant to the job, or anything that Obama might have a difficult time understanding himself.
25 years of working in the very government he hopes to head isn't "uniquely relevant to the job"?!? Obama is constantly heralded as a "successful Senator from Illinois", but has only 143 working days under his belt. McCain wins.
The self-discipline and character building of a military career seem "uniquely relevant" to any position of leadership. McCain has had to physically fight evil, and spent 5 wonderful years getting to know it first hand. Obama has no military experience, nor any formal discipline or character building experience that comes close. McCain wins.
Adopting needy children and supporting widows gives a glimpse of McCain's inner core. I grant that Obama worked a soup-kitchen (I have heard, but never seen a source). That is admirable. But it gets a little sullied by the fact that his community work is tied in with ACORN, the corrupt organization often accused of voter fraud. Obama gets marks, but McCain still wins.
I'm not debating that these are experiences. But you specifically mentioned "executive qualifications". McCain has no notable executive experience. Sarah Palin is literally the only person of the four Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates who could claim "executive experience", as she was a governor and a mayor. Being a senator isn't executive experience (far from it). I think you could probably stretch some things (McCain's military role after his POW ordeal, Obama's community organizing and campaign organization) but really, no one on the field, I think, has any experience that uniquely qualifies them for the job of the president. I think that particular experience is hard to come by.
Probably the closest of all the candidates this year were Mitt Romney and Hillary Clinton (for various reasons that I won't go into here). I think the jobs that probably prepare you the best for the presidency would probably be cabinet positions (that work with previous presidents) or possibly governors of populous states. Pretty much everything else is a stretch, but frankly, I think a cool head and a good mind are the things people should be looking for in a president, and that is where I feel that Obama has the greatest advantage.
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Obama waged a successful campaign against Hillary Clinton. McCain was lucky, as all the other Republicans were incredibly weak.
Your left spin really shines on this one. You elevate Obama's narrow victory to grand status, and dismiss McCain's come-from-behind darkhorse victory as "lucky". Obama's victory wasn't even certain on the week of his nomination. There was serious talk from both sides that Clinton may still claim her delegates, bringing the convention to a deadlock. Remember how they decided not to do a public roll call because the exposure of the slim margin of support Obama is hanging onto in the party would be embarrassing? McCain secured his party's nomination soundly months before their convention.
Again, McCain basically sat back until all the other candidates flared or fizzled out. Obama did not have that luxury and had to fight every step of the way. I think he could have perhaps done a better and more decisive job, but I don't think McCain's campaign experience is at all comparable to Obama's.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:01:06 AM
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Again, McCain basically sat back until all the other candidates flared or fizzled out. Obama did not have that luxury and had to fight every step of the way. I think he could have perhaps done a better and more decisive job, but I don't think McCain's campaign experience is at all comparable to Obama's.
If BO can't get a mandate from his own party, how in the world can he get one from the whole country??
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:06:16 AM
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This has been a surprisingly long and interesting thread about which candidate has the "right" qualifications' to be our next president. Surprsing and interesting in the sense it has centered mostly on the accomplishments each has had and how, in some strange way, that is suppose to give us an idea as to their ability to lead. In the end though, it has not accomplished anything. It has not changed anyone's mind or changed anyone's view on each of the candidates, I dare say.
So, what kind of accomplishment does qualify one to be presidet?
What does the Constitution say?
1. Natural born citizen.
2. At least 35 years of age
3. 14 years as a resident of the United States.
That is all that is truely required. The rest is up to the judgement of the voters.
What is that judgement usually based on?
1. Record
2. Convictions-what and who guides their thinking and ability to stand by what he believes
3. Character
4. Views and assesments of the issues.
5. Ideas on addressing and dealing with the issues.
6. Ability to work with others politically
7. Ability to to stay calm and rational/work and make decisions under pressure
etc.
etc.
etc
We all have our particular guidelines as to who is qualified to be the head of the United States.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:24:10 AM
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Again, McCain basically sat back until all the other candidates flared or fizzled out. Obama did not have that luxury and had to fight every step of the way. I think he could have perhaps done a better and more decisive job, but I don't think McCain's campaign experience is at all comparable to Obama's.
If BO can't get a mandate from his own party, how in the world can he get one from the whole country??
He has, but that's a separate discussion. I'm talking about the ordeal being an experience that could be considered in reference to qualifications for the presidency.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:50:36 AM
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I have said this before and I believe it has a lot to do with the historic and actual way we Americas decide who is best qualified to be our next president.
Which candidate best personifies where we see ourselves today, and where we want to go?
After World War I America and the world was in chaos as the world began to change at an ever increasing pace. The world was changing faster tham most average people could manage to keep pace with. Then there was the chaos in Europe as the victors of World War I mistrated the vanquished giving rise to dictators. America and the world needed someone strong who knew hardship and was able to defeat it-FDR
After FDR America and the world needed a man equally as tough and determied to finish a horrible war. We needed someone who took his responsibility seriously and well aware that "the buck" stopped with him-Truman
After World War II America saw itself recovering from a war. It saw the world recovering from horrific war that ended with the very real possibility of the next one being the very last one. We needed someone to mashall our resources and move us forward-Eisenhower.
In the sixties we faced a vast cultural change based on youth and the willingness to take risks, and serve others in order to truely put an end to war and injustice-JFK
Those are just a couple examples I could come up with.
In short there is no single, magic accomplishment or indicator who is best qualified mainly because we truely have no idea what the future holds, and what kind of matters the next president will have to actually face.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:54:13 AM
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This has been a surprisingly long and interesting thread about which candidate has the "right" qualifications' to be our next president. Surprsing and interesting in the sense it has centered mostly on the accomplishments each has had and how, in some strange way, that is suppose to give us an idea as to their ability to lead. In the end though, it has not accomplished anything. It has not changed anyone's mind or changed anyone's view on each of the candidates, I dare say.
So, what kind of accomplishment does qualify one to be presidet?
What does the Constitution say?
1. Natural born citizen.
2. At least 35 years of age
3. 14 years as a resident of the United States.
That is all that is truely required. The rest is up to the judgement of the voters.
What is that judgement usually based on?
1. Record
2. Convictions-what and who guides their thinking and ability to stand by what he believes
3. Character
4. Views and assesments of the issues.
5. Ideas on addressing and dealing with the issues.
6. Ability to work with others politically
7. Ability to to stay calm and rational/work and make decisions under pressure
etc.
etc.
etc
We all have our particular guidelines as to who is qualified to be the head of the United States.
You make an excellent point, Leon.
Constitutional requirements are all a person needs to be President. The opinion of voters decides the rest, and that opinion changes every election. My opinion is that McCain's life experience better qualifies him to represent me in the office of the Presidency.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:56:08 AM
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huskarine
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I can see BO's accomplishments making him a great public speaker, probably the best this country has ever seen!!! Obama for public speaker '08!!!
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 10:59:04 AM
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Well, this thread didn't die, but it has certainly been one of the slowest growing Obama threads out there....I wonder why? 
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 11:08:21 AM
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I would like to see a president show leadership skills. You know like say being a commanding officer, or chairing committees that actually met under their watch.
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RE: What Are Obama's Accomplishments? - 9/8/2008 11:42:34 AM
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solomonsprayer
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I see.
So at least we have made a distinction.
No longer have some said Obama has no experience whatsoever (a completely ridiculous claim, given his impressive list of accomplishments), but that his experience did not show executive leadership abilities or traditional leadership in general (being in charge of a group and making decisions).
I can agree that he does not have executive experience and that he does not have traditional leadership experience, but he has shown non-traditional leadership in other ways through intellegence (Harvard Law Review Editor - a position usually reserved in law school for the top student), community leadership (community organizer), educational/law/legislature/Senate experience.....Some might say he did not have traditional leadership in that he was not the one making decisions, but he has had communal leadership experience - making decisions along with others. But I can accept that he hasn't been adequately tested in this area of traditional leadership and that to me is quite frankly a concern.
Let us also not mock the man's speaking ability. For that is a gift from God. Would you mock God?
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