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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 1:52:48 AM
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ManimalX
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I think it is funny that Palin is hammered for being a "bad mom" because she accepted the VP nomination, but Biden, who chose to keep his job as a Senator after he became a single parent, was heralded as being "brave" and "heroic". I wonder who raised his remaining kids for him?
I'm not hammering her at all - I'm applauding her.
I think some of the criticism comes when a party that has speakers such as Pat Buchanan diss women (even those in combat, that serve), yet, because Palin is a Republican for the venerable hot seat VP position, and you're now saying that having women in charge is a new idea? Please, be real! And this is not aimed at Palin - she is a great role model for women - this is aimed at the Republican platform.
Peace and God bless,
You're living in the past. Buchanan hasn't spoken at a convention in years and the last time he ran for office it was in the Reform party.
Which candidate called a reporter "Sweetie?" The same one who told Clinton's women supporters to "get over it." Putting women in their place in the great tradition of Bill Clinton.
In all fairness, and believe me I am almost vomiting, I have to say that I don't think Obama did anything wrong when he called the info-babe "sweetie". I don't think he should have taken the flack he did (and still does) for that. Maybe it is different from person to person, but I don't think of that term as anything but friendly and complimentary.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 4:39:40 PM
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I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
Um, here's a starter - your questions are decades old ;)
Peace and God bless,
How can they possibly be decades old when Palin only recently started getting criticized for these things????
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 4:59:47 PM
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Actually there was a lot of comments about John Edwards' hair in the 2004 election :) silky pony and all that rot
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 5:00:03 PM
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I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
Another one was Sen Harry Reid Calling her speech "shrill"
When was the last time you heard a guy speaking referred to as "shrill"
I mean besides Howard Dean.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 5:10:13 PM
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Well, let's be fair, Sean Hannity used to have weekly "Shrill Hill" moments on his radio show, where he would play a new tape of Hillary Clinton ranting and shrieking in an almost hysteric manner.
So it's not like the right has never used the word "shrill" before....
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 8:18:11 PM
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ORIGINAL: rhippie
I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
Um, here's a starter - your questions are decades old ;)
Peace and God bless,
How can they possibly be decades old when Palin only recently started getting criticized for these things????
Politicians: Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi have ALL faced the same criticism - to say otherwise is ridiculous.
And then there are the everyday women in the same shoes that face the same scrutinity - only they don't have as glamorous of a job. And to say otherwise, is even more ridiculous.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/5/2008 8:40:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: rhippie
I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
I distinctly remember a thread on here a while back about John Edwards dropping, IIRC, $400 on a haircut.
-Dan.
Evidently he had a hot date with his girlfriend...
(I'll probably need to repent for that comment but you know I'm equal opportunity)
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 1:11:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: rhippie
I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
Um, here's a starter - your questions are decades old ;)
Peace and God bless,
How can they possibly be decades old when Palin only recently started getting criticized for these things????
Politicians: Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi have ALL faced the same criticism - to say otherwise is ridiculous.
And then there are the everyday women in the same shoes that face the same scrutinity - only they don't have as glamorous of a job. And to say otherwise, is even more ridiculous.
Peace and God bless,
So you seem to be saying that because someone else did it before that makes it acceptable now? Are you seriously deluded?? If it's wrong to say about any of the folks you mentioned then why is it not unacceptable to say about Sarah Palin?
And for what it's worth I was specifically asking why it is acceptable to do so of Sarah Palin; maybe you would care to answer that question instead of attempting to evade it by talking about other women
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 1:37:45 PM
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Anyone else notice the double standard with this whole Palin sexism thing? I heard Sean Hannity say today something about the Democratics picking on an "innocent woman". I'd like to be able to play back to Hannity all the things he's said about Hillary Clinton that could be viewed as sexist or over the line. I've never heard the Democrats say anything close to "how do we beat the ****?" So enough with the double standard. I don't think Palin has endured anything like what Hillary has endured and she never will.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 1:40:47 PM
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No, the Democrats have reached new low by dragging Palin's family into it.
I'd actually have a tad more respect for them if they would ask "How do we beat the ****?"
And for the record, I've noit heard ANYBODY attack Hillary because she's a woman. It's her stand on major issues that we have the problem with....
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 1:55:52 PM
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No, the Democrats have reached new low by dragging Palin's family into it.
Palin dragged her own family into it by parading them onstage at the GOP convention.
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And for the record, I've noit heard ANYBODY attack Hillary because she's a woman. It's her stand on major issues that we have the problem with....
The way criticisms levelled at Hillary are worded sometimes is insensitive to women. Things like calling her a b.itch and "wicked witch of the west" and criticising her voice, saying she's "shrieking" and that time she cried, I thought conservatives were insensitive in a sexist way. The same criticism wouldn't be levelled at a man if he shed a tear. Or even Palin. I doubt Palin would be criticised for shedding a tear when she's talking about why she wants to help America and stuff. Palin has had such an easy ride compared to Hillary. For Republicans to say people are attacking her and being sexist is such a double standard.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 2:14:37 PM
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I presume the no.1 sexist right now are the femi-nazis, screaming that this woman cannot be VP because she has a family to care for.
What happened to all their tripe about equality and the "Glass ceiling"?
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 2:18:52 PM
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I presume the no.1 sexist right now are the femi-nazis, screaming that this woman cannot be VP because she has a family to care for.
What happened to all their tripe about equality and the "Glass ceiling"?
Thanks
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 2:31:13 PM
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Palin dragged her own family into it by parading them onstage at the GOP convention.
Um, dude? The media was ganging up on her family DAYS before they appeared at the convention...
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Things like calling her a b.itch and "wicked witch of the west" and criticising her voice, saying she's "shrieking" and that time she cried, I thought conservatives were insensitive in a sexist way.
I haven't hear anybody in conservative radio use the "b" word or the "w" word. Sorry. (although I have heard terms such as "The Hildabeast" and "Shrillary"). Shrieking? Well, she was! Call it for what it is. The same word has been applied to men before (Howard Dean, anyone?) so how is it sexist.
Crying? Well, we've also had a male presidential candidate who cried. Your point? The question was legitimately raised about a President who cried during a primary, would they be up to handling the tough decisions?
Hey, you went down swinging...
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 2:34:30 PM
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Here is a good article on this subject:
Dumbest Strategy in the History of the World: Riling Mama Bear
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Palin dragged her own family into it by parading them onstage at the GOP convention.
You mean like Michelle Obama did when she brought her kids onstage after her speech to say hi to daddy via satellite?
Please, even Obama said her children are off limits.
It has been a long standing unwritten rule that a candidates children are off limits.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 3:30:24 PM
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Um, dude? The media was ganging up on her family DAYS before they appeared at the convention...
Yes, but my point is, don't complain about it when she's not exactly making an effort to keep her family out of the spotlight.
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I haven't hear anybody in conservative radio use the "b" word or the "w" word. Sorry. (although I have heard terms such as "The Hildabeast" and "Shrillary"). Shrieking? Well, she was! Call it for what it is. The same word has been applied to men before (Howard Dean, anyone?) so how is it sexist.
I just found some of the insults to be gender exclusive. Insults that can't be levelled at men. That's makes it sexist.
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Crying? Well, we've also had a male presidential candidate who cried. Your point?
My point is that when a male candidate cries is admirable and people sympathise with them. When Hillary cried people asked if it was fake and if she'll cry when faced with tough decisions.
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Hey, you went down swinging...
I'm not finished yet.
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 4:43:33 PM
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Yes, but my point is, don't complain about it when she's not exactly making an effort to keep her family out of the spotlight.
Neither is The Messiah....
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I just found some of the insults to be gender exclusive. Insults that can't be levelled at men. That's makes it sexist.
And there are insults leveled at men that cannot be leveled at women. Your point?
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My point is that when a male candidate cries is admirable and people sympathise with them.
Ed Muskie cried during his primary and guess what? He lost!
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 8:54:55 PM
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ORIGINAL: rhippie
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ORIGINAL: Lizahana
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ORIGINAL: rhippie
I need some help trying to understand what is happening:
1. Sarah Palin is criticized for having a speech writer but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
2. Sarah Palin is criticized for having 5 children because it will distract her from her job as Veep but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
3. The Boston papers ran a story on Sarah Palin's hairstyle but
I've never seen such a comment aimed at a man
Since when did it become acceptable to slam someone and not get called for being such a sexist pig???
Um, here's a starter - your questions are decades old ;)
Peace and God bless,
How can they possibly be decades old when Palin only recently started getting criticized for these things????
Politicians: Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi have ALL faced the same criticism - to say otherwise is ridiculous.
And then there are the everyday women in the same shoes that face the same scrutinity - only they don't have as glamorous of a job. And to say otherwise, is even more ridiculous.
Other than Ferraro you are speaking of some very nasty people... Pelosi a disgusting piece of work... They get criticized because they have issues...
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 9:05:25 PM
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Anyone else notice the double standard with this whole Palin sexism thing? I heard Sean Hannity say today something about the Democratics picking on an "innocent woman". I'd like to be able to play back to Hannity all the things he's said about Hillary Clinton that could be viewed as sexist or over the line. I've never heard the Democrats say anything close to "how do we beat the ****?" So enough with the double standard. I don't think Palin has endured anything like what Hillary has endured and she never will.
Hillary Clinton isn't innocent... Far from it...
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 9:33:47 PM
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In all fairness, and believe me I am almost vomiting, I have to say that I don't think Obama did anything wrong when he called the info-babe "sweetie". I don't think he should have taken the flack he did (and still does) for that. Maybe it is different from person to person, but I don't think of that term as anything but friendly and complimentary.
it's very common in this area for women to address men they do not know as "darlin" when interacting with them in conversation or conducting business such as in a store or restaurant...no one takes it personally or as being sexist but i suppose if one wanted to, it could, indeed, be considered sexist
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RE: Who's the sexist? - 9/6/2008 10:51:09 PM
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