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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/14/2008 12:28:56 AM
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TaoPoohBear
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In fact, everything anyone says are all over the news stations... so show us the tapes. Not what someone wrote he said. National Enquirers, Peoples, Times, News Weeks, Blogs, Forums, etc... promotes hear-say and gossip.
Again give us the links, so we can make a decision to pray for those who do what they know not what do. We prayed for Pastor Wright to come to his senses. But, I cannot pray for a Pastor to repent on something there is no evidence of him saying.
Not sure what all this has (lost my computer's audio)-
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/08/yellin.palin.faith.cnn
but is this what you were asking about?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/14/2008 11:48:04 AM
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In fact, everything anyone says are all over the news stations... so show us the tapes. Not what someone wrote he said. National Enquirers, Peoples, Times, News Weeks, Blogs, Forums, etc... promotes hear-say and gossip.
Again give us the links, so we can make a decision to pray for those who do what they know not what do. We prayed for Pastor Wright to come to his senses. But, I cannot pray for a Pastor to repent on something there is no evidence of him saying.
Not sure what all this has (lost my computer's audio)-
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/08/yellin.palin.faith.cnn
but is this what you were asking about?
That video edited out almost all of what was said ... and had a very biased slant.
Here (part one part two)is the actual video of her talk to that youth group in an unedited form. (Note: she has not worshiped at that church for several years now ... Mr. Obama only recently left his after being embarrassed by the pastor, renouncing him after stating just a few weeks prior to leaving "I could no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother." Clear vidoe of both statements he made. Big difference. )
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/17/2008 7:53:36 AM
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1) (formerly 2)) Again, gay rights is not a concern to me. I don't vote on this issue.
Yet you do since it's part of the whole you are voting for or not... You don't get to pick and choose what you vote for in
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2) I know what I vote for John, don't presume to tell me what I'm voting for.
Don't presume to think that you can parcel your vote regarding a single candidate... If one votes for Obama they support what he supports...Same with McCain... Same with Bush...
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3) I see - you're getting off topic because I said Palin described the Iraq war as a task that is from God. Obama has not uttered such a thing - and now you're bring this up again. And now that we're on this topic, and Palin, here is what she had say about it last night:
"GIBSON: Homosexuality, genetic or learned?
PALIN: Oh, I don't -- I don't know, but I'm not one to judge and, you know, I'm from a family and from a community with many, many members of many diverse backgrounds and I'm not going to judge someone on whether they believe that homosexuality is a choice or genetic. I'm not going to judge them. ..."
She's wrong... Just like Obama.... Unlike yourself I have no issue calling whomever wrong if that are... The bible doesn't support either of their views... The bible is crystal clear it's a sin... Period...
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4) John, who told Palin that the Iraq war is a task from God? Did God tell her directly?
It could be found in a doctrinal belief, "God" could have told her(that is mention plenty on this forum... Though I don't put a lot of stock in that) James says we don't got to market(shopping) apart from God's will... If one believes the war in Iraq is just I can see how they can claim it's a task from God... When a judge justly puts a criminal away that was a task of God since that is a huge part of why God ordained the civil government... Same ca be said of a government dealing with terrorism... Though I don't believe that is and or was the case with Iraq.
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5) I know why I'm voting for Obama, and it aint' those  Unless, of course, you think that you are me...and there's a pink elephant in your room 
It doesn't matter why you vote for whomever... Whomever you vote for you are support the whole of what they support and or their agenda...
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6) I believe as McCAin and Bush do - that abortion should be legal ONLY in cases of rape, incest, mothers life endangerment. And, again, I don't think that issue matters in this election - and, again, there is an entire thread devoted to this where people express my same sentiment. I really do not see the advantage to bringing this up again, John. You already know my stance. Do you think people find it beneficial to read the same things over and over and over again from the same people? Unreal...
You can say whatever you wish, yet if you vote for one who is for abortion in all cases you have supported such.. That's how it works... Can't pick and choose what you like about the candidate and toss out the bad parts...
And my point for 6) above is that I am eternally grateful that I am not judgemental like some.
Of course you have to judge folks to make such a statement... Yet you can't judge a pedophile...
1) John, it's been this way forever. There is no way that 2 - well 4 if you include the independents - are going to be able to fit the millions of voters - please don't be ridiculous.
2) Ditto on 1)
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
5) Again, see 1).
6) Again, to me, abortion is a non-issue in this election due to the fact the Dems control the Senate, and McCain's co-leadership in the Gang of 14. There is an entire thread about this in the Election 2008 forums.
7) I disagree. I am saying quite plainly, that I leave the judging to God.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/17/2008 8:48:24 AM
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Thanks for posting her direct quote.
Could you put up for us the end quotation marks so we can examine it more clearly for those who have trouble understanding exactly what she was saying?
I am guess that this was the entire quote.
"Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God
What exactly do some of you see wrong in this quote that you don't like?
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/19/2008 10:40:22 PM
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
This is silly ... I went back to listen to it an took the time to write down her exact words which were, "Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God - That's what we need to make sure we are praying for - that there is a plan, and that the plan is God's plan." So bless them with your prayers; your prayers of protection. Find video here ... about 3 minutes and 35 seconds into the piece is where you can find the exact quote.
She was clearly praying for God's will in the matter (but it is only clear when you take the sentence in it's full context). The embolden part is a statement that clarifies the previous sentence ... she was in no way alluding to our being in a "holy war" ... or making a statement about the war being a task from God ... she clarified the "task from God" statement with the words that followed "that's what we need to do" ("that's what we need to do" indicate that what follows is meant to clarify the previous sentence ... that's how our English language works.  )... She was asking for prayers of the saints for the leaders to be in His will in their actions and decisions.
Hmmmm....I respectfully disagree. I guess that I am just not accostumed to hearing people say that a war is a task from God in the same sentence - maybe you are, but I, most definitely, am not accustumed to that.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/19/2008 10:45:42 PM
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1) John, it's been this way forever. There is no way that 2 - well 4 if you include the independents - are going to be able to fit the millions of voters - please don't be ridiculous.
2) Ditto on 1)
Sorry... No matter what you say you can't pick and choose the things you support in a single candidate... If you vote for Obama that's a vote for abortion and the homosexual agenda...
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No comment? Couldn't find something to cut and paste?
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
My take? What's your take? Do you really have a take on anything?
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5) Again, see 1).
Again...
You can't vote for a person and say you only support part of their agenda...
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6) Again, to me, abortion is a non-issue in this election due to the fact the Dems control the Senate, and McCain's co-leadership in the Gang of 14. There is an entire thread about this in the Election 2008 forums.
You can say whatever you wish, yet if you vote for one who is for abortion in all cases you have supported such.. That's how it works... Can't pick and choose what you like about the candidate and toss out the bad parts...
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7) I disagree. I am saying quite plainly, that I leave the judging to God.
Actually you don't since you make judgments all the time...
1) I disagree. Again, I'm voting on the whole picture, John. If you're waiting for the politician that best matches your self-righteousness, why not write yourself in, then?
2) That's all you have - echoeing the popular quote of the day Really, I expected more of you
3) Obviously I do have a take, John Otherwise I would not be hanging out on a limb, saying that I support Obama - really, how much futher did you want me to stick my neck out?!
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5) Please see 1).
6) Well, I strive not to judge at all- so there you have it.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/19/2008 11:07:18 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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1) I disagree. Again, I'm voting on the whole picture, John. If you're waiting for the politician that best matches your self-righteousness, why not write yourself in, then?
This is has nothing to do with waiting for whomever, but the fact that whomever you vote for you are stuck supporting their agenda in total...
Btw... You judgment of my self-righteousness show the hollowness of your claim that you strive not to judge...
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2) That's all you have - echoeing the popular quote of the day Really, I expected more of you
Not much to say when you run from anything that demands an answer of substance...
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3) Obviously I do have a take, John Otherwise I would not be hanging out on a limb, saying that I support Obama - really, how much futher did you want me to stick my neck out?!
Not sure what this has to do with point #3... Though supporting Obama is hardly going out on a limb, especially when the point is made that are no consequence for certain actions...
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Not surprised...
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5) Please see 1).
Doesn't add up... You logic fails... You believe your vote can magically only lend its support to the things you like about the candidate...
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6) Well, I strive not to judge at all- so there you have it.
Well, your actions in this very post(and others) dispels that claim...
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/19/2008 11:11:18 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
This is silly ... I went back to listen to it an took the time to write down her exact words which were, "Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God - That's what we need to make sure we are praying for - that there is a plan, and that the plan is God's plan." So bless them with your prayers; your prayers of protection. Find video here ... about 3 minutes and 35 seconds into the piece is where you can find the exact quote.
She was clearly praying for God's will in the matter (but it is only clear when you take the sentence in it's full context). The embolden part is a statement that clarifies the previous sentence ... she was in no way alluding to our being in a "holy war" ... or making a statement about the war being a task from God ... she clarified the "task from God" statement with the words that followed "that's what we need to do" ("that's what we need to do" indicate that what follows is meant to clarify the previous sentence ... that's how our English language works. )... She was asking for prayers of the saints for the leaders to be in His will in their actions and decisions.
Hmmmm....I respectfully disagree. I guess that I am just not accostumed to hearing people say that a war is a task from God in the same sentence - maybe you are, but I, most definitely, am not accustumed to that.
If that's the case you must not be accustom to the idea of just and unjust wars, which means you must believe all wars are unjust, even those commanded by God...
Just wars, like just actions taken by the government in regards to criminals are tasks of God.. Justice is a task of God, and He commands it... It's not an option... You might not agree Iraq is just(I personally don't) but the premise isn't faulty...
Romans 13
1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
2. Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
3. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
4. for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/23/2008 4:20:24 AM
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Wow what happened to my thread? I'm scared to post anymore threads. They turn into wars, lol. ....I can't even ..or don't even want to ...read this whole thing.
I just had a minor thought. Even if Palin's church is a little nutty....it's NOT as nutty as Obama's probably.
Secondly, she is not running for Prez., but Obama is. So more importantly, the questions hsould be what are the faiths of Obama and McCain...what are their churches and active faiths like, since they both professor be Christians.
Palin should come in secondary.
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/24/2008 8:25:15 AM
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1) I disagree. Again, I'm voting on the whole picture, John. If you're waiting for the politician that best matches your self-righteousness, why not write yourself in, then?
This is has nothing to do with waiting for whomever, but the fact that whomever you vote for you are stuck supporting their agenda in total...
Btw... You judgment of my self-righteousness show the hollowness of your claim that you strive not to judge...
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2) That's all you have - echoeing the popular quote of the day Really, I expected more of you
Not much to say when you run from anything that demands an answer of substance...
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3) Obviously I do have a take, John Otherwise I would not be hanging out on a limb, saying that I support Obama - really, how much futher did you want me to stick my neck out?!
Not sure what this has to do with point #3... Though supporting Obama is hardly going out on a limb, especially when the point is made that are no consequence for certain actions...
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Not surprised...
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5) Please see 1).
Doesn't add up... You logic fails... You believe your vote can magically only lend its support to the things you like about the candidate...
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6) Well, I strive not to judge at all- so there you have it.
Well, your actions in this very post(and others) dispels that claim...
1) Well, I know in my heart, the issues I'm voting for. BTW...John, you said you're not voting for anyone - it was just a suggestion
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3) It does have to do with what you said - you said I don't take a stance. Hardly - I took a stance by saying I'm voting for Obama. And whom are you voting for?
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5) Who are you voting for then, John?
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/24/2008 8:28:22 AM
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
This is silly ... I went back to listen to it an took the time to write down her exact words which were, "Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God - That's what we need to make sure we are praying for - that there is a plan, and that the plan is God's plan." So bless them with your prayers; your prayers of protection. Find video here ... about 3 minutes and 35 seconds into the piece is where you can find the exact quote.
She was clearly praying for God's will in the matter (but it is only clear when you take the sentence in it's full context). The embolden part is a statement that clarifies the previous sentence ... she was in no way alluding to our being in a "holy war" ... or making a statement about the war being a task from God ... she clarified the "task from God" statement with the words that followed "that's what we need to do" ("that's what we need to do" indicate that what follows is meant to clarify the previous sentence ... that's how our English language works. )... She was asking for prayers of the saints for the leaders to be in His will in their actions and decisions.
Hmmmm....I respectfully disagree. I guess that I am just not accostumed to hearing people say that a war is a task from God in the same sentence - maybe you are, but I, most definitely, am not accustumed to that.
If that's the case you must not be accustom to the idea of just and unjust wars, which means you must believe all wars are unjust, even those commanded by God...
Just wars, like just actions taken by the government in regards to criminals are tasks of God.. Justice is a task of God, and He commands it... It's not an option... You might not agree Iraq is just(I personally don't) but the premise isn't faulty...
Romans 13
1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
2. Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
3. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
4. for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.
John - yes, when you're directly provoked via an attack - surely you have to protect yourself (ie WWII). But, to say that a war that was started, NOT because of an attack against us, but from rumors (that were later proved wrong by our own government commission a la the Deulfer report) - to say this war is a task that is from God (when it clearly was NOT in self defense) is wrong, IMHO.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Palin's Controversial Church (As Crazy As Obama's?) - 9/24/2008 12:44:55 PM
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4) That's your take on it. I have not heard many people say that a war is a task from God.
This is silly ... I went back to listen to it an took the time to write down her exact words which were, "Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God - That's what we need to make sure we are praying for - that there is a plan, and that the plan is God's plan." So bless them with your prayers; your prayers of protection. Find video here ... about 3 minutes and 35 seconds into the piece is where you can find the exact quote.
She was clearly praying for God's will in the matter (but it is only clear when you take the sentence in it's full context). The embolden part is a statement that clarifies the previous sentence ... she was in no way alluding to our being in a "holy war" ... or making a statement about the war being a task from God ... she clarified the "task from God" statement with the words that followed "that's what we need to do" ("that's what we need to do" indicate that what follows is meant to clarify the previous sentence ... that's how our English language works. )... She was asking for prayers of the saints for the leaders to be in His will in their actions and decisions.
Hmmmm....I respectfully disagree. I guess that I am just not accostumed to hearing people say that a war is a task from God in the same sentence - maybe you are, but I, most definitely, am not accustumed to that.
If that's the case you must not be accustom to the idea of just and unjust wars, which means you must believe all wars are unjust, even those commanded by God...
Just wars, like just actions taken by the government in regards to criminals are tasks of God.. Justice is a task of God, and He commands it... It's not an option... You might not agree Iraq is just(I personally don't) but the premise isn't faulty...
Romans 13
1. Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
2. Therefore he that resisteth the power, withstandeth the ordinance of God: and they that withstand shall receive to themselves judgment.
3. For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. And wouldest thou have no fear of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise from the same:
4. for he is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil.
John - yes, when you're directly provoked via an attack - surely you have to protect yourself (ie WWII). But, to say that a war that was started, NOT because of an attack against us, but from rumors (that were later proved wrong by our own government commission a la the Deulfer report) - to say this war is a task that is from God (when it clearly was NOT in self defense) is wrong, IMHO.
You first said...
Irregardless if you believe the war was just or not, IMHO, NO ONE, but God, should deem it a task of His.
I am glad to see you have come around to the understanding that war can be a task of God... We agree that Iraq isn't...
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