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RefinersMetal -> Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 6:23:21 AM)

Einstein said that the Bible is a "collection of honourable, but still primitive legends."

How would you try to explain to him OT miracles and what do you think about this comment?

Thanks.



mvic -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 6:25:46 AM)

I'd like to see Einstein's face when God asks him to explain that statement.



armydude -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 6:40:57 AM)

I wouldn't try to explain anything to Einstein. He's dead. Jesus is not. Coincidence? I don't think so.



raivyne -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 9:55:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: armydude

I wouldn't try to explain anything to Einstein. He's dead. Jesus is not. Coincidence? I don't think so.


I like this response! [:)]

Einstein was a diest (I think), he was not a believer. What do you say/do to any non believer? be a good example and pray your hearts out for them.



tcasboy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 10:03:37 AM)

It is imposable for a theoretical physicist of any merit to believe in the the literal truth of the OT. The two schools of thought are irreconcilably incompatible.

Isn't this part of Gods plan?



tcasboy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 10:07:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mvic

I'd like to see Einstein's face when God asks him to explain that statement.


Will he get the chance?



upNORTder -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 10:58:55 AM)

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It is imposable for a theoretical physicist of any merit to believe in the the literal truth of the OT. The two schools of thought are irreconcilably incompatible.


Why?



RefinersMetal -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 11:02:37 AM)

I have a book called, "The Faith of a Physicist" but have not read it yet.

I think a lot of people have problems with miracles vs. human logic



raivyne -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 11:14:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RefinersMetal

I have a book called, "The Faith of a Physicist" but have not read it yet.

I think a lot of people have problems with miracles vs. human logic


and a lot of folks don't [:)]



tcasboy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 11:57:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: upNORTder

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It is imposable for a theoretical physicist of any merit to believe in the the literal truth of the OT. The two schools of thought are irreconcilably incompatible.


Why?


Because the foundation for physics, (and all natural sciences) is based on a set of natural laws. To invalidate one any one of these laws invalidates all the science that has built upon it.

The events of the OT, if they occurred, invalidate natural law.



RefinersMetal -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 12:01:08 PM)

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Because the foundation for physics, (and all natural sciences) is based on a set of natural laws. To invalidate one any one of these laws invalidates all the science that has built upon it.

The events of the OT, if they occurred, invalidate natural law.


This makes sense, I find it interesting that there are still lots of Christian scientists and scientists who believe in Creation



DaveW -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 12:24:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy

It is imposable for a theoretical physicist of any merit to believe in the the literal truth of the OT. The two schools of thought are irreconcilably incompatible.
Boy is that narrow minded.....



DaveW -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 12:26:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RefinersMetal

I think a lot of people have problems with miracles vs. human logic
It is not so much a logic issue as it is one of world-view. If your world view accepts something beyond the physical, there is no logical inconsistancy in accepting a miracle.



DaveW -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 12:30:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy
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ORIGINAL: upNORTder
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It is imposable for a theoretical physicist of any merit to believe in the the literal truth of the OT. The two schools of thought are irreconcilably incompatible.
Why?
Because the foundation for physics, (and all natural sciences) is based on a set of natural laws. To invalidate one any one of these laws invalidates all the science that has built upon it.

The events of the OT, if they occurred, invalidate natural law.
As I said, it depends on your world view. If you accept that what we see as the physical universe (which is governed by physical law) is ALL there is, then it does not make sense to accept miracles.

If your world view also accepts a spiritual realm where an entity or entities exist outside our physical universe that can and do interact with it, having the ability to get around the laws of physics; then miracles are not an inconsistancy and invalidate nothing.



raivyne -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 12:36:37 PM)

God is big enough

"natural laws" are by design. Should the Creator of all things decide to step outside his normal routine who am I to say its impossible?



LCannon -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/10/2008 1:20:04 PM)

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The events of the OT, if they occurred, invalidate natural law.


In the immortal words of 'Ghostbusters', 'Who ya' want to believe?' limited speculation that tries to 'validate natural law' or the mystery of[His]Revelation that '...proved [Jesus]had a valid claim [to His Deity]...“(John 1:11)

It's interesting how man's limited speculation, Bigfoot or 'life' on Mars for example, is alive and kicking precisely because there's no evidence to the contrary.

"Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks…Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."
- Albert Einstein, Time magazine, 23rd December, 1940



tcasboy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 12:57:16 AM)

How can one develop the mathematical models describing the first billionth of the first second of the big bang while at the same time believe the literal story of Genesis?



LCannon -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 1:10:57 AM)

Why should I care? What's past is past. Don't bother me with trivia. We should be much more interested in anticipating our next billion(th).



RefinersMetal -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 1:12:43 AM)

was his model right or was Genesis right in your opinion? both?



tcasboy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 1:37:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RefinersMetal

was his model right or was Genesis right in your opinion? both?


I know with absolute certainty that the events of the OT did not occur literally as described. I know with absolute certainty the earth is billions of year old, the universe is many more billions of years old, the biblical flood did not occur as described, the first homo sapiens were not Adam and Eve, that dinosaurs existed on the order of 80-200 million years ago.



DreadPirateRandy -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 1:49:55 AM)

Delicious is the self-aggrandizement that you feast on.

"Absolute certainty" is undeniable evidence that something did or did not happen. You haven't been alive for over 2,000 years. You have not walked during these periods. You know nothing of "absolute certainty".



mvic -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 5:02:39 AM)

I know with "absolute certainty" that this debate will lead to no-where since every one is entrenched in their beliefs. But it's fun debating all the same.

Now, I have proved to myself that God exists. I may not be able to prove it to you or to others.

So let's consider this. What are the consequences to someone who does not believe that God exists if he is eventually proved to be wrong?



Thessa -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 6:58:14 AM)

Hmmm...seems he wasnt as smart as some people thought after all.



armydude -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 7:02:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy

How can one develop the mathematical models describing the first billionth of the first second of the big bang while at the same time believe the literal story of Genesis?
It's actually easy. First you realize that one of them is a theory while the other is a fact. Then you decide which is which.



AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: Einstein putting down the Bible (9/11/2008 10:36:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy

I know with absolute certainty that the events of the OT did not occur literally as described. I know with absolute certainty the earth is billions of year old, the universe is many more billions of years old, the biblical flood did not occur as described, the first homo sapiens were not Adam and Eve, that dinosaurs existed on the order of 80-200 million years ago.


"Absolute certainty" that statement made me laugh out loud. Ok lets get on your line of thinking, lets think about this scientifically. For you to know with absolute certainty you would have to have 100% knowledge,which you do not. Ok just to be generous lets say you have 1% of the knowledge of the universe, that still leaves 99% of it that you do not know. So do you think there could be something in that 99% that you do not know that could prove God's existence. There is a reason things are called theorys. Even Darwin couldn't explain the human eye, He said "'To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree."



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