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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/28/2008 12:48:28 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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I tried finding the ones sold in the US on the Internet but couldn't. Any suggestions? Especially if I can look for them regionally, which I tried?
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/28/2008 1:00:02 PM
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I tried finding the ones sold in the US on the Internet but couldn't. Any suggestions? Especially if I can look for them regionally, which I tried?
From the Wiki entry for the Big Issue (link):
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Some similar projects are also published in different countries and cities around the world:
BISS, Munich, Germany
CAIS, Lisbon, Portugal
Fedél nélkül, Budapest, Hungary
Hecho en Bs. As., Buenos Aires, Argentina
=Oslo (ErlikOslo), Oslo, Norway
Spare Change News, Cambridge, MA, U.S.
Street Roots, Portland, OR, USA
StreetWise, Chicago, IL, USA
Street Sheet, Oakland/Berkeley, CA, USA
Situation Sthlm, Stockholm, Sweden
Hus Forbi, Denmark
Don't know if that helps at all! 
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/28/2008 2:22:05 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Thank you, Manda. The Portland one is just a few hundred miles away, so I thought it could direct me to a sister-paper, but no luck so far. I just think there must be something around here . . . .
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 10/12/2008 8:07:35 AM
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One extra thought to anyone who either works with the homeless, or often/occasionally encounters them, it's a good idea to carry with you, in a pocket, in your car or in your handbag, pairs of latext gloves, so that if you came across anyone who was bleeding, or having a fit, you could help whilst also reducing any risks of infection. It's a good idea for anyone, actually, for you never know when you might be needed to administer even just basic first aid.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 10/12/2008 1:11:39 PM
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good idea
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 10/13/2008 5:12:52 AM
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Hebrews 13:1-2 Let brotherly love continue. 2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares
I remember my Grandma many many times feeding homeless people she would cook them food and take it to them it always seemed to me that they knew without a doubt that her house was a kindly one.
She always told me the above verse...i know a homeless person we thik oh my gosh ugh and dirty but come on what would Jesus say and do
I read some of your post and was shocked think of the verse there by the grace of God go you and i
No one knows when God will send someone by your way to see if you have compassion and love most of all to extend your hand love em no matter what they look like or what they done or did
As for me i will and would shake a hand give a hug or a plate of food and yes even a cup of water as so the word says.....
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/14/2008 9:25:25 AM
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One extra thought to anyone who either works with the homeless, or often/occasionally encounters them, it's a good idea to carry with you, in a pocket, in your car or in your handbag, pairs of latext gloves, so that if you came across anyone who was bleeding, or having a fit, you could help whilst also reducing any risks of infection. It's a good idea for anyone, actually, for you never know when you might be needed to administer even just basic first aid.
This should be done with all people. It's just a good rule of thumb because you simply can't tell by looking at someone if they have a blood borne pathogen. BTW, if someone doesn't have gloves handy, they can use several plastic shopping bags. I had to do this once in a fabric store. It worked great.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/14/2008 10:21:51 PM
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I agree, KuKu.
In fact, within the past couple of years, dignity of all people has been something of which I have been becoming even more and more aware.
As to the OP, I can't imagine not shaking someone's hand if they offered their's to me. And often, I am compelled to offer my hand to someone who may not be the most hygienic of people. To refuse to do so seems, to me, to be one of the ultimate insults I could be part of - and a quite very dehumanizing insult, at that.
On a different, but somewhat similar note . . . a few years ago, a friend (who had come to visit) and I were walking through a park when a little girl came running past us, tripped and fell onto a small boulder (or, large rock). I immediately ran to her. She was screaming and crying, and I noticed some blood on her forehead. She grabbed on to me, and I held her until her parents caught up with us. I also brushed her hair out of her face; and in the process, inadvertently touched the blood on her forehead.
I didn't give it a second thought.
My friend, however, chewed me out. Literally. And, quite thoroughly.
She told me to never touch anyone who had been bleeding . . . not even a scared, crying little girl.
On that point, I disagreed with her then and I still disagree with her.
I figure that Our Lord is going to cover those situations. He covers ALL situations.
I don't think that I was being irresponsible when I held that little girl. I think I was doing what Our Lord wanted me to do . . . give comfort to another person. It wasn't an EMT-type situation; it happened fast, without warning. I certainly wasn't going to not hold that little girl simply because it could have had dangerous results.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 12:58:11 AM
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Working in a nursing home has taught me a lot about dignity... and how sad it is that people don't take that into consideration. Correct terminology , accepting people where they are at, acknowledging their attempts as 'propriety' (handshake, thank you, offers of 'gifts'), using their names- the list goes on.. all go a long way in making someone feel a)human and b) valuable.
There is another way to say this: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"- the Bible is right once again. It's really not any harder than that.
Well put.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 12:59:55 AM
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I agree, KuKu.
In fact, within the past couple of years, dignity of all people has been something of which I have been becoming even more and more aware.
As to the OP, I can't imagine not shaking someone's hand if they offered their's to me. And often, I am compelled to offer my hand to someone who may not be the most hygienic of people. To refuse to do so seems, to me, to be one of the ultimate insults I could be part of - and a quite very dehumanizing insult, at that.
On a different, but somewhat similar note . . . a few years ago, a friend (who had come to visit) and I were walking through a park when a little girl came running past us, tripped and fell onto a small boulder (or, large rock). I immediately ran to her. She was screaming and crying, and I noticed some blood on her forehead. She grabbed on to me, and I held her until her parents caught up with us. I also brushed her hair out of her face; and in the process, inadvertently touched the blood on her forehead.
I didn't give it a second thought.
My friend, however, chewed me out. Literally. And, quite thoroughly.
She told me to never touch anyone who had been bleeding . . . not even a scared, crying little girl.
On that point, I disagreed with her then and I still disagree with her.
I figure that Our Lord is going to cover those situations. He covers ALL situations.
I don't think that I was being irresponsible when I held that little girl. I think I was doing what Our Lord wanted me to do . . . give comfort to another person. It wasn't an EMT-type situation; it happened fast, without warning. I certainly wasn't going to not hold that little girl simply because it could have had dangerous results.
Certainly, we have to do what is warranted in a situation. If it's not possible to take precautions, then hang the precautions.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 8:18:27 AM
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having a fit
. . . Not to be difficult - truly . . . but if you mean "having a seizure," please say "having a seizure".
As one who has a 20-year seizure history, I have always found it demeaning whenever I have heard people refer to me as "having a fit" when, in fact, they were speaking of a seizure that I had had.
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Ditto!
This must be a cultural thing - it's certainly not demeaning in the UK, and is in common use (and I am including here a number of friends of mine who have epilepsy). The word "fit" (short for "epileptic fit") and "seizure" are one and the same thing here and used interchangeably, though "fit" is more commonly used (and more widely understood) than "seizure".
To illustrate, here is a link to a BBC article about epilepsy, where you will see the word "fit" mentioned. If it was a demeaning phrase, the BBC would not have used it. You will even see it used as a verb, "fitting".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/339872.stm
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 8:19:40 AM
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It means something different here in the States. If I saw someone having a fit, I would stay far away from them! I do not need someone who is unstable yelling at me! 
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 8:23:50 AM
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Yesterday while walking around, you have to discern who are legitimately homeless and those who are just panhandling. I saw one woman and thought "yes, she's legitimately homeless", not a second later she shouts something. I think that she might have been drinking.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 3:30:42 PM
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Yeah, 'fit' definitely has a negative meaning. It implies someone is unreasonable or a spoiled brat -- no matter their age.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 9:06:52 PM
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Many people with subsistence income, with proper places to live, panhandle because otherwise they simply don't have enough. I like to use the wider term of "street people," because that covers not only those who are homeless but others in dire poverty living out their lives on the streets.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 9:08:20 PM
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You do make a valid point Maggie, but what about such places as food pantry's? I do not think that they turn people away at all.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 9:14:12 PM
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Food pantries don't provide things like toilet paper, shaving gear, feminine supplies and other basic toiletries or household items (at least I don't think so). Plus, even when you're poor, there are things that you really, really like. Everybody needs disposable income, no matter how miniscule, to do some fun things in life, even if it is buying a chocolate bar, an ice cream cone, or bus tickets to go to the park.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 9:20:12 PM
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But panhandling though? BTW, there is another thread on that topic.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 9:55:04 PM
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In my previous church, Cathy lived on disability and lived in an apartment. But she panhandled every day--either for 2 hours or $20, whichever came first. She treated it like a job and was very faithful at it. She was so well-known and loved that when she died, we held her funeral in the theatre outside of which she had panhandled--courtesy of the theatre owner.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 11/15/2008 10:01:13 PM
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That is sad, but she must be the exception to the rule though.
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