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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/20/2008 12:04:29 PM
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JimboFletch
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Those who don't believe that what is happening today is setting the stage for the end, someday will.
Come on, give us something better'n that to go on. Will that someday be this week, next month, by 2012?
And, if what's happening today turns out to be just another bump in the road like Y2K or 9/11 were instead of the definite end, will you be back here to admit you didn't have it right, just like nobody that said so after Y2K and 9/11?
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/20/2008 1:20:36 PM
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Those who don't believe that what is happening today is setting the stage for the end, someday will.
I agree that this is one more step.
There is an agenda. Since time began there has been an agenda
to counteract the plan.
But, current events aren't the JVP endtimes newspaper theology.
Hitler was a precursor, but the plan hadn't come to the "fullness of time."
Most christians may know about Hitler, but there have been many just
like him in most all generations. We have an Iranian Hitler looming on
the horizon now. We have our own Obama looming on the horizon. lol.
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/20/2008 1:24:28 PM
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Lapidoth
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I received a letter from a concerned christian in answer to
warnings I have given about preparing for end times, or just
bad times.
One, was to grow your own food if possible.
It takes only 170 square feet to feed a family.
in answering their concerns, I realized there is a possibility that
many won't even notice. The concern was if we grow our own
food or store for bad times, that others will steal or even kill for
what we have. This was more of the not being able to buy or
sell unless you take the mark of the beast.
it just dawned on me that those who refuse may be so few in
number that the majority will continue to buy and sell and not
even notice my garden. But, that's another thread.
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/20/2008 10:01:56 PM
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Hi guys n' girls. This is my first post ever! So Hello from me and here goes;
I bet during any finacial crash in history (especially if you were in the middle of it) there was the worry that they might be closing in on the end times.
Just because the world goes through a very difficult period doesn't have to mean it's the end. Especially when we consider that the Lord is long suffering and doesn't wish any to be lost etc...
However, I keep these points in mind to stay as sober as possible, but I have to say that as the world seems to be going down the pan in so many ways, you can't help but consider that we maybe seeing the start of sorrows.
Not just because we seem to be entering a financial belly flop on an almost global scale instead of localized crashes seen throughout history. But also because running along with this it seems every area that the scriptures give to indicate us closing in on the end seems to be happening.
The church being the biggest cause for concern to me. I read every week about same sex marraiges being blessed in the church, or at least a new found tollerence.
Violence and fear on our own streets seems to be 10 times more an issue than when I was a boy (and i'm not that old)
Pressure from governments to drop our claim of Christ being the only way to God is constantly being pushed, and the world is now seeing us as arrogant and even extremist to make such a claim.
Sexual immorality on our TV's and in our day to day lives is at an all time high, as it's now standard belief that it's ok to sleep around as long as we use a condom.
Governments are corrupt and simply tickle our ears to get in power, but the real drive is power itself, rather than a 'true' desire to want to get elected to do good. This is seen in campaigns that get themselves elected by smearing the opposition, rather than election through there own good policies.
Europe rising into a super power, with socialism and fascistism at its core.
The weather going up the wall, as men fear of the rising tides.
Increase in earthquakes, and all manner of natural disasters.
Works based religions on the rise, as the love grows cold.
Increase in false religions and false prophets.
Human rights failing everywhere.
Drunks increasing as never before.
Youth becoming disrespectful etc etc etc.
I know there is still lots of goodness in the world, but it's the increase that concerns, and I know all these things have always been an issue throughout history, but 'All At The Same Time' i think is the signal!
Anyway, once again, Hello all LOL
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/21/2008 10:54:59 AM
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JimboFletch
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I know there is still lots of goodness in the world, but it's the increase that concerns, and I know all these things have always been an issue throughout history, but 'All At The Same Time' i think is the signal!
Is it really an increase or is it that technology has increased so that we hear about more of these things and more graphically?
Things seems worse compared to, say, the 1990s (depending on who you were listening to at the time), but have you seen anything in your lifetime like when 50,000 Americans died in a single day of battle or when 25% of Americans were unemployed or when all of Europe except Britain was under the control of a single dictator?
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/21/2008 1:05:40 PM
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Welcome SonicStudent.
Enjoyed your post.
You will be an asset to the forums here.
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 10/21/2008 3:48:44 PM
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SonicStudent
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Hello Jimbo and thanks very much Lapidoth for the warm welcome, bless you.
I know what you are saying about increased media, and it is true. But that aside, polls taken by various sources all indicate massive increases in extreme weather and natural disasters, violence, immorality, wars and apostacy in the church etc. Believe me, I so so so so wish that it was not so, but I feel I'd be lying to myself if I didn't say how much even attitudes within community, such as respect for one another, morality, violence and drunkenness.
That's without media, and just my own observation over the last 30 years or so.
I'm not saying it's the end, because I don't know and I truly hope it isn't. But I'm keeping it in my mind as a possibility as I see the world struggle and begin to reject the bibles claims, especially in Europe and even more so in Britain, which is a crying shame from a nation that in its history had acheived so much for the gospel.
I just pray it's a dark period that will sort it's self out as they realize they need God and Christ, which happens when peoples lives go wrong.
God bless
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 1:03:58 PM
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I don't know if anyone saw in the news yesterday, that the European Commission were to subsidise all member of the EU with 5 trillion pounds, because the economies across the EU were falling at rates not seen since WWII. They stated that the WWII bill summed up to 3.5 trillion, and this bail-out is to be 5 trillion.
Does anyone know who, or how, or where from this money comes from? One of our biggest high street shops collapsed yesterday, leaving 20,000 without jobs overnight. Actually, the company was an American company that camr over 100 years ago. Everyone is upset, because it was one of those high street shops that was more of an institution, where you remembered it back in your childhood, where you could buy anything. It was called Woolworth's :( Oh well!
Is it borrowed from world bankers (Hope not) or some kind of fund put aside? Eeeek, not good though!
Sonic
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 1:10:50 PM
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I think you will find that it is just printed Sonic...actual money needs something of worth to support it but in this instances I think it is just coming off of the presses...so to speak. Actually it is debt and needs to be supported by taxes...go figure.
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 1:16:32 PM
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Don't you need a job to pay taxes? I don't think that is something that a welfare recipient will be able to provide.
It’s interesting I was listening to a money expert yesterday and he was talking about lower prices would induce people to buy more and we would see a recovery… and I was thinking….what and pay for it with an over extended credit card…good luck!
Bob
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 1:21:16 PM
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SonicStudent
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Here we call it 'robbing Peter to Pay Paul' !
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 2:20:39 PM
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Yeah, Sonic, that's what the whole Bretton Woods conference was for back in the 60s or 70s. Nixon took the U.S. off the gold or silver standard completely. The U.S. dollar used to be backed by gold and became the world's standard currency whereby all others were valued. After it was taken off the commodity backed standard, the world freaked. So, they kept the U.S. paper (fiat) currency as the standard based on the promise that the U.S. would never increase the money supply to devalue it.    That's kind of what is being argued at these world financial summits. It is going to be a big reason for the introduction of a centralized world currency. It's bad enough that the world looked to another nation's paper currency as the standard for so long. Soon, they'll let an even larger bureaucracy have control of the world's wealth. Not that it matters much for us. We know how everything ends. However, for such an enlightened and intelligent age, this world sure is stupid. Sure, makes a person wonder why those Masters and PhDs are so expensive.
In any case, I am thankful for God's wisdom being greater than ours. It's sure has a way of easing a person's nerves. 
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 2:29:57 PM
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SonicStudent
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LOL, well put Josh!
I guess when the world is basically built on a system of greed, they will move to which ever method allows them to have or to borrow more!
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 3:42:34 PM
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That's the problem without Christ in our lives we are always looking for more and better stuff to sedate the hole in our hearts...greed!!!
Peoples lives today, where they have a $50,000 credit card balance with a 21% interest rate is typical of the world economic...can't even meet the monthly minimum.
Bob
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 4:06:16 PM
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SonicStudent
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See, there you go! Me being Christian have only $40,000 on my card, and having wisdom, I took it out at 18% YAY!
Only kidding, thank goodness!
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 7:22:26 PM
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Retrobyter
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Shalom, Josh4LinC.
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Yeah, Sonic, that's what the whole Bretton Woods conference was for back in the 60s or 70s. Nixon took the U.S. off the gold or silver standard completely. The U.S. dollar used to be backed by gold and became the world's standard currency whereby all others were valued. After it was taken off the commodity backed standard, the world freaked. So, they kept the U.S. paper (fiat) currency as the standard based on the promise that the U.S. would never increase the money supply to devalue it. That's kind of what is being argued at these world financial summits. It is going to be a big reason for the introduction of a centralized world currency. It's bad enough that the world looked to another nation's paper currency as the standard for so long. Soon, they'll let an even larger bureaucracy have control of the world's wealth. Not that it matters much for us. We know how everything ends. However, for such an enlightened and intelligent age, this world sure is stupid. Sure, makes a person wonder why those Masters and PhDs are so expensive.
In any case, I am thankful for God's wisdom being greater than ours. It's sure has a way of easing a person's nerves.
Right you are, but Nixon merely finished what FDR started! We were taken off the gold standard (Fort Knox and all) during his administration to get us out of the depression slump! It worked, but we are now paying for a floating dollar! Our dollar today merely has the net worth that everyone collectively gives it on average. This is just one more of the many examples that we could site about having no absolutes.
The real issue is that we as both a people and as believers in the Messiah need to get away from borrowing from the future and get back to living within our means. We need to really take the Scriptures to heart when they say, "The borrower is servant to the lender!" (Proverbs 22:7) We make ourselves SLAVES when we borrow from our futures. Furthermore, we are both ASSUMING that we will have the money and more in the future and PRESUMING upon God that He will give us trouble-free futures when we have no such guarantees!
Anyway, that's what I've been taught by my old economics/social studies teacher, Mr. Dwight Yeager.
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 8:00:50 PM
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bob97
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I bet you'll qualify Josh.
Bob
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 8:40:01 PM
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SonicStudent
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Dagnabit! Why does it always seem to be AFTER the event I get the sound advice ay???
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RE: Markets Crashing...? - 11/27/2008 9:26:39 PM
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bob97
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God has worked several miracles in my life and I have no doubt He will continue to do so. I have no ideal how I could face life without Christ.
Really makes your heart bleed seeing those without Him trying to struggle through life dosen't it?
Bob
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