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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 2:41:52 PM
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Nicole_Michelle
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Expect it? Yes... but not in all areas. Like I said my mall was fine so I didn't think of it or expect it. Tolerate it? NO WAY! And I wish there was something that could be done to prevent anything like this happening again.
Do you think it would help if the larger/busier stores had cops at the entrances and inside the stores? I am thinking that would help, but at the same time could a city afford to lend out cops like that?
Can any of you think of solutions that might work?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:18:06 PM
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Nicole I think we have security guards that now stand at the doors of our big major stores since there was a pretty serious injury a few years ago in one store in Sydney I think.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:18:53 PM
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If you want to shop in a civilized manner then dont go shopping on black friday.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:24:20 PM
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The violence that takes place on black friday at walmart is no worse than what takes place in a pro football game or in hockey.
Except that those who commit that type of violence on the field or rink usually get at least penalized if not seriously fined. There are rules in those games that make such actions 'illegal'.
Last time I checked, the Bible did say some things about treating others nicely, and not being greedy.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:26:05 PM
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Nicole I think we have security guards that now stand at the doors of our big major stores since there was a pretty serious injury a few years ago in one store in Sydney I think.
That's really good to hear! Not the injuries... the security guards.
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If you want to shop in a civilized manner then dont go shopping on black friday.
I agree. Unless you shop later when people are less pushy OR you know where you are shopping is going to be safe.
Do black friday sales just last for one day or do they continue? Boxing day sales almost always go on for a week or 2 at a time.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:26:43 PM
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black friday sales are usually only that day and the really good sales are in the early morning hours and have a limited quantity available
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:26:57 PM
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Some of the sales only last a few hours...
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:27:51 PM
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If you want to shop in a civilized manner then dont go shopping on black friday.
That's just giving people the free run to act like morons then. Why should people who are trying to do the right thing miss out because of some wacko's who lose the plot?
NO. There should be something done about it. arrest people, lay out fines, get security guards there. Something other than allowing the bad behaviour to continue.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:41:24 PM
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They can have one door open and have turnstiles to limit the crowds. They can hand out tickets like Best Buy. They can have uniformed Police on site.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:42:09 PM
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Hand out tickets like fines or do you mean numbers?
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:45:26 PM
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I think she means numbers. Although if someone is acting like a right ning nong then I would say issue them a fine too!!
Black friday is only one day, there are only bargains for a few hours. Its UNFAIR on people who shop normally to miss out on that because of some people's behaviour. By saying "just don't shop on those days" you are giving people a licence to act like morons.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:45:46 PM
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or the stores could take respsonbility and not have sales, then everyone could complain
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 3:51:50 PM
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Right, numbers or vouchers.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:06:13 PM
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Black Friday THE day retailers all over America regain a profitable balance sheet. This year, especially, it was hyped up my major retailers, wall street types & economists. "Stop the recession! Show CONFIDENCE in our economic landscape, do your duty as an American! Shop! Consume! Fill your void with stuff! The season is about consumerism!" Whatever you do, DO NOT slow down, don't you dare be still and know that He is God.
My heart is sick for the man that lost his life and his family. For the mother to be that will not yet be and her family. For the hords of lost people that inflicted the tragedy in the frenzy of their greed. I agree with Kat, *everyone* needs prayer....
...I know I do.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:10:05 PM
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If you want to shop in a civilized manner then dont go shopping on black friday.
As I already said, I went shopping on Black Friday. I did not, however, leave my manners at home. I was perfectly civilized. =)
Plus, I didn't see very many people behaving poorly. Just the "usual" of not looking where they were going, and jumping in line ahead of you and such. No grabbing, nothing dangerous. I don't see why I should go as if I were prepared for battle, when those that are behaving poorly are normally few and far between. (in my experience) I have never picked up an item and had someone try to take it from me. I have never tried to take something from someone else. I've never taken anything from someone else's cart, and I've never had anything taken from mine. I've never seen pushing/punching/whatever in the stores either. Just crowds, and people trying to get in front of others.
I think it's just plain wrong that people see days/ sales such as this as an excuse to behave poorly. There is just plain no excuse. In my book it's going to be wrong to shove someone pretty much no matter where you are or what you are doing.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:13:54 PM
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Sure, its wrong but that is just how life is. Ya all, when i lived in socal there was an area down by the beach that is just beautiful. It's calm, its well kept, just lovely really. I liked to go there a lot. But after dark its a different story. The drug dealers, the drunk homeless people, the gangs, they all frequent that part of the beach in the evening. If I want to be safe I'd visit there during the day. But if I want to get shot, raped, mugged, stabbed, etc I'd go at night. See where I'm going with this? Knowing how dangerous it is there, if i were to go at night and get stabbed i'd have no one to blame but myself.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:20:15 PM
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Same goes for here. There is no way I am going to go downtown at night just knowing how bad it is during the day (shootings in the middle of the day, drive by shootings etc). And there is no way I am going to go to certain parks or other areas during the night. Those areas may be fine during the day, but at night it is a totally different story.
And yes, that is how life is. And yes it is sad, but 'tis life. Some areas/sales are good and safe. Other areas/sales are crime ridden/ not safe. So we can pick and choose where to go and what sale to go to right? Some people will find it perfectly fine to be a tyrant at a sale while other people could never fathom being that way. That is just how life is. People are people. Everyone is different. Everyone has different lives.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:39:51 PM
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When people are killed, the authorities should hold someone responsible. I mean if someone got killed in other situations, people would be held responsible; it isn't just how it is and we need to resign ourselves to it. Even if we are in 'the bad part of town' it does not make people less responsible for taking the life of another person.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:44:59 PM
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When people are killed, the authorities should hold someone responsible. I mean if someone got killed in other situations, people would be held responsible; it isn't just how it is and we need to resign ourselves to it. Even if we are in 'the bad part of town' it does not make people less responsible for taking the life of another person.
Very, very true. I do believe the authorities are trying to find out the identities of members of this mob to prosecute. That may be a pretty good deterrent in the future.
But just as a murder is not less responsible for taking the life of another because of he/she is in the "bad part of town" don't we still need to bear the responsibility of being as safe as we can? I don't think that Nicole or Rami are advocating letting people off the hook because it was Black Friday. They (and myself) are advocating us being responsible and taking our own safety into consideration when deciding when and where to go (either for a walk or shopping).
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 4:55:39 PM
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Okay, but the Walmart should have been a safe place to be. It was the mob mentality of the crazed bargain hunting black friday shoppers that made it dangerous that morning.
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RE: Kicka - #4 - 12/3/2008 5:17:19 PM
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myka
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I very much doubt that Walmart is investigating anything... Unless they are threatened with legal action, they are usually reluctant to do anything.
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"Stop the recession! Show CONFIDENCE in our economic landscape, do your duty as an American! Shop! Consume! Fill your void with stuff! The season is about consumerism!"
"you need to sacrifice for the economy" -- look at where that got us...
This kind of rhetoric makes me sick (as a Christian). It makes it sound like consuming is a god...
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Last time I checked, punching someone is considered assault. We should just expect this and tolerate it? No thanks. 
