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Giulia -> Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/20/2008 7:48:56 PM)

twice a year this happens, pretty amazing. Sceptics think it's some chemical that is liquifying the blood but I believe it is true, no big deal for a miraculous God or His people. Though it should not be idolised, this is where they err.



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/20/2008 9:26:52 PM)

I'm not sure what good the blood of a saint does, even though he's a follower of Jesus. What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus.



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/20/2008 9:34:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Giulia

twice a year this happens,17 centuries after his departure from this earth pretty amazing. Sceptics think it's some chemical that is liquifying the blood but I believe it is true, no big deal for a miraculous God or His people. A martyr has the best spot in heaven, life is in the blood and saints never die.
Giulia . . . I'm with James on this.

And saints never die? Yes, they do . . . even the one that was beheaded according to the article you linked to in your OP.



BillBaileyBFAFan -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/20/2008 10:10:03 PM)

People are willing to believe anything to avoid following the Bible. People think that if they can get a priest to say they are forgiven, then that's better than the Bible, or if they can touch or see, or whatever you do with this "blood", then that's better.
What good does this blood serve. Does it preach the word? Did this man die for your sins? That is idolotry at its best. Just like the Catholic relics and rosary and religious artifacts, or statues that cry.
These things may be "phenomena", but of God?? I think not.



kmangel -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 11:16:49 AM)

Last year I visited my brother and his church had an exposition regarding many such "miracles" of the blood of saints on display. He wanted me to view the many displays from around the world, but it really bothered me. I looked at a couple displays and then walked out. That was enough for me. To me I feel that these "miracles" get our eyes off Jesus.



Little_1 -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 11:32:20 AM)

Spooky!



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 8:33:32 PM)

Giulia,

You are right to believe. Many do not and will not believe - that's up to them.

There have been many miracles and visions in modern times and as ever, there have been many who chose not to believe.



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 8:39:57 PM)

I agree with you mvic, but how does 1700 year old blood liquefying qualify as a miracle?
I just don't understand...



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 8:52:44 PM)

Hi Armydude,

There have been many instances where supernatural events have occured (some call them miracles) and people believe that these are signs from God to sanctify that individual. Let me give two examples the bodies of Padre Pio and Bernadette Soubiroux (she who saw the Visions at Lourdes) have been exhumed many years after their death and the bodies found to be perfect and intact - i.e. no decomposition.

Some may call these miracles. Some may not believe at all and think it's a trick. As I said, people will believe what they want to believe.

Google either of them and see what you make of these (and other similar stories).



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 8:59:33 PM)

Well the reason I'm asking is because the way I see it, the miracles done in the bible helped someone out. Someone's physical need was met. That's the miracles that I read about in the bible. Now, to be fair, I don't know of any requirement for this, but I guess it's just hard for me to call this a miracle when it doesn't really help anyone's physical need. I believe paying too much attention to this will pull people away from the true miracle of salvation.

Didn't Jesus say something about people looking for a sign?



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:06:33 PM)

I understand what you're saying, and I can see how these particular miracles may not help someone or meet their physical needs. Some may say they meet their spiritual needs because they are a sign from God of His supremacy and power - e.g. the exhumations I've already mentioned.

As Jesus said: people looking for signs and God providing such.

However, regarding miracles which met people's physical needs there have been many recorded at Lourdes, Fatima, Medjugorie, Knock etc ...

Whether people believe in them or not is another matter.



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:07:52 PM)

I guess I'm going to have to go for the no category... I just can't see this as a miracle.



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:09:40 PM)

"This" meaning the blood liquifying - or meaning all miracles - e.g. Lourdes etc ...



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:16:35 PM)

I mean this particular instance. I'm not lumping all miracles together in one pile. I'm sure there are a lot of valid miracles, because I've seen several. But all of the miracles I've seen personally, as well as all I've heard about personally had a point; to save someone's life in combat, to restore health, to restore finances, etc. I've seen them all. In fact, every one of those categories has happened to me. But to have a bit of dried blood liquefy twice a year... I don't see the point. And I don't see God doing anything that brings glory to Him, but has no point. To be honest, it reminds me of a circus sideshow. Just to make people say "ooh!" and "ahh!"

I'm open to suggestions, but that's the way I see it.



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:24:34 PM)

I'll admit that this particular one about the blood liquifying is new to me - never heard it before. But I agree with you, miracles do happen these modern days and I'm glad you've seen them yourself.

I believe our job is to tell people when the occasion arises that we have personally seen miracles. I'm grateful therefore for what you have shared.

I searched the web sometime ago for miracles and apparitions and put a few links on my website.

May I take this opportunity to say how much I enjoy your input on these Forums - I've learnt a lot from you.



armydude -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/21/2008 9:26:44 PM)

Thank you, my friend. I've enjoyed your posts as well.



1love1God1way -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 12:25:34 PM)

From the site:

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Some Neapolitans fear disaster may strike the city if the blood of the fourth-century martyr does not turn to liquid.

Disaster has struck at least five times after the blood failed to liquefy, including in November 1980 when some 3,000 people died in a massive earthquake that struck southern Italy.


God apparently forgot it was "turned dried blood to liquid day" a few times. . .

. . . or people put way too much emphasis on this silliness.



Kat_D -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 12:35:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Giulia

twice a year this happens, pretty amazing. Sceptics think it's some chemical that is liquifying the blood but I believe it is true, no big deal for a miraculous God or His people. Though it should not be idolised, this is where they err.


Yeah, and whenever some baker somewhere bakes a french roll that comes out of the oven looking like Mother Theresa, they consider that a miracle too.[8|]



TorchHeart -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 12:54:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BillBaileyBFAFan

People are willing to believe anything to avoid following the Bible. People think that if they can get a priest to say they are forgiven, then that's better than the Bible, or if they can touch or see, or whatever you do with this "blood", then that's better.
What good does this blood serve. Does it preach the word? Did this man die for your sins? That is idolotry at its best. Just like the Catholic relics and rosary and religious artifacts, or statues that cry.
These things may be "phenomena", but of God?? I think not.



First off, I don't think that this is something people are looking at as a reason to avoid FOLLOWING the Bible. The peolpe looking at this are looking at it as a sign that God is still with them or something of that nature, and it should be used to turn people more towards the Bible (how, in this case, I don't know... and that's why I'm very skeptical that it would be some kind of miracle. I don't see how this is going to make people follow Christ more) and towards the worship of Christ. Its not expected that this saint's blood is going to have some kind of "saving" properties, nor should it be. Nobody is going to think that this saint died for their sins. Nobody viewing this as a miracle is going to believe that this saint has the power to grant them salvation.

As for your comments on idolotry, be careful what you lump in with the category of idolotry (such as Catholic "relics," the rosary, and statues). None of these things that I know of are worshipped nor would they ever be.



BillBaileyBFAFan -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 5:03:24 PM)

If you don't think that the Catholics have or do worship relics, watch the movie Luther. I know it's a movie, but it paints a pretty clear picture of how the Catholic Church behaved in his time.



TorchHeart -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 5:18:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BillBaileyBFAFan

If you don't think that the Catholics have or do worship relics, watch the movie Luther. I know it's a movie, but it paints a pretty clear picture of how the Catholic Church behaved in his time.



Well, since I'm Catholic, how about I just look at my life and see how that goes? Sorry pal, but I know what I'm talking about here. Catholics do not worship statues or relics or other such garbage. Such things might be (and are) used as teaching tools or for symbolism during prayer, but they are NOT worshipped. A statue of Jesus Christ is just a stone visual reminder of whom our Savior is. Nobody is praying TO the statue.



mvic -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 6:23:38 PM)

What TorchHeart said in Post No 21 is correct.



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 6:37:07 PM)

Just an FYI . . . if y'all continue to debate Catholicism (versus discussing the OP's topic), this thread will probably get moved to one of these One-Stop threads.



Incidentally, it's against this site's TOS to out-and-out bash Catholicism; so if you are going to argue against Catholicism, it may be prudent to review these rules to know what is and what is not acceptable when discussing such.



As to Catholics worshipping relics . . . that is not factual and is based on hearsay. In fact, during the 28+ years that I was Catholic - never, not once, did I worship relics; nor did I know any other Catholic who did. To this day, I still don't know any Catholics who worship relics; some of whom are quite very devout.

(There's also a one-stop thread devoted to "Worshipping Statues . . . you'll see it in the One-Stop list that I've linked in the first paragraph of this post.)



Thank you, have a good day, place nice and remember to smile.


Blessings,
Sharon-Marie



1love1God1way -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 8:09:32 PM)

Whether Catholics "worship" relics are not. . .

The fear that disaster will take place, and has taken place before, if and when the blood doesn't liquefy seems to be an unhealthy level of need in this relic. . .



WhiteRoseBlessings -> RE: Saints blood liquifies in Naples (9/22/2008 9:08:59 PM)

I very much agree with that.



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