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third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:29:51 PM
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Beanteaser
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Should I vote for the lesser of two evils or should I follow my conscious and vote for a third party?
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:32:50 PM
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ik3900
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Heard a good quote the other day:
"When you choose the lesser of two evils, you're still choosing evil"
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:35:28 PM
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Psalms274
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I honestly believe that when we vote for a third party candidate we very well may be voting for the greater of the two evils ... because the third party takes votes away from the lessor of two evils without having a chance to win.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:37:24 PM
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H. Ross Perot? 
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:38:15 PM
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sue244
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In our current election system voting third party is a de facto vote for the greater evil. So that has to play in there somewhere so for me I will be voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 2:43:32 PM
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Zhi
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Vote Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil?
It's a difficult question. I guess it depends on how strongly you're *against* one of the probable evils, as much as how strongly you're *for* the third party you believe is truly good.
For instance, if there was an election where you knew that either Hitler (sorry Godwin) or either one of the two political candidates running right now was going to win, but if you wanted to you could third-party vote for Mother Theresa even though there's no way she's going to win, then I would think that as much as you wanted to vote for Mother Theresa, for the sake of everyone it would be wise to vote for the guy who is not Hitler.
The problem with third party in this country is that they tend toward a short view, not a long view. They need to establish a third political party slowly by building it from the ground up, from the local level, to the state, then the federal. THEN they might have a chance at President. But, this would take a while (I think my hubby's comment of "that would probably take a century" is pretty accurate), and they're impatient, so they go straight for President, which they have no possible chance at, instead of building up their political base in such a way that people would actually give that party a shot at the Presidency, because they are familiar, and they are a reasonable choice, and they have a reasonable chance.
So, you pretty much have to vote your conscience but check both sides... not just considering "who do I like?", but also considering "who can I not stand aside and allow to take power?" If either of the two definitive winners would be okay with you (or equally completely not okay), then third party is the way to go.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 7:57:40 PM
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John_O
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Great post 3 Psalms. Right on the money.
A vote for a conservative third party is a vote for the democrats. A vote for a leftist third party is a vote for the republicans
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 10:12:37 PM
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tinydancer2
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ORIGINAL: Beanteaser
Should I vote for the lesser of two evils or should I follow my conscious and vote for a third party?
Well in my observations, there is no lesser of two evils, but the system is 1 evil.
Their fruits are coming to the light to all to see, the 3rd party at the moment is not viable as the 2 party system brought the country down. There are no difference between the 2 parties politicians and their exchanging in powers between themselves.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/22/2008 11:55:33 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: Psalms274
I honestly believe that when we vote for a third party candidate we very well may be voting for the greater of the two evils ... because the third party takes votes away from the lessor of two evils without having a chance to win.
Making the claim that not voting for what it openly regarding as evil as being evil is interesting to say the least... The concept seems to imply that one can cast a vote for evil without consequence. Does the bible teach that voting is outside the realm of God's law?
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 9/23/2008 11:08:33 PM
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You all know where I stand Barr 2008!
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 10:41:50 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Should I vote for the lesser of two evils or should I follow my conscious and vote for a third party?
You know what? You just put the lightbulb on for what is troubling me. I hear a lot of Christians and others say they dont have confidence in either candidate as much, but they will vote the lesser of two evils. But i detest that. I dont want to vote for the choice of two evils. Ugh!
It appears that either candidate is not that favorable per se in each voter's eye, but yet they will pick the lesser of two evils. That does not say much for mccain!
Ugh!!!
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 10:44:41 AM
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ekserekseez
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Vote Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil?
Glad to see another Lovecraft fan here!
Barr all the way. The reason third party candidates don't win is because of the "lesser evil" mentality. If everyone who is voting for McCain because he's less evil than Obama actually voted for Barr, we'd be getting somewhere. It might not be enough to put him in this round, but it might be enough to break the stranglehold that the admittedly-socialist Dems and the hidden-socialist GOP has on the current system.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 10:51:51 AM
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MrFribbles
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Should I vote for the lesser of two evils or should I follow my conscious and vote for a third party?
If we keep pandering to the two-party system, it will never change. We need to send a message to the US Political System that we're tired of only have two choices - neither of which we agree with enough to earn our vote. Vote 3rd party and help send a message. Don't believe that it's equivalent to a "vote for the other guy." It's not. It's a vote for change. Real change, not Obama-change. It won't happen overnight, obviously, but if we don't start somewhere, it won't happen at all.
Vote your conscious.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 10:53:55 AM
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ekserekseez
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Don't believe that it's equivalent to a "vote for the other guy." It's not. It's a vote for change.
Thanks for the incredibly intelligent words of wisdom, much needed in these days of soundbites and blind loyalties.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 11:15:59 AM
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Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: enterprise1701
This article says it all: http://www.priestsforlife.org/columns/columns2006/06-10-23choosingevil.htm
Though I agree with there statements, killing innocent babies doesn't matter to many so-called-Christians.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 11:34:26 AM
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Rockwall
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Should I vote for the lesser of two evils or should I follow my conscious and vote for a third party?
If we keep pandering to the two-party system, it will never change. We need to send a message to the US Political System that we're tired of only have two choices - neither of which we agree with enough to earn our vote. Vote 3rd party and help send a message. Don't believe that it's equivalent to a "vote for the other guy." It's not. It's a vote for change. Real change, not Obama-change. It won't happen overnight, obviously, but if we don't start somewhere, it won't happen at all.
Vote your conscious.
Don't kid yourself. You can choose to throw your votes away but you should not encourage others to do so. Voting for a third party right now would be akin to voting for Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck because neither they nor your third party have a chance to win.
Rather than voting for the lesser of two evils, how about looking at it from a logical point of view?
List which issues are most important to you, such as those listed from the OP in this thread: Issues LINK
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# Abortion
# Education
# Gun Control
# Economy
# Energy and Oil
# Environment
# Gay Marriage
# Health Care
# Immigration
# National Security
# War
Now that you listed what is most important to you, which of those candidates most match your world view?
One last important question to ask yourself: Would I rather vote for a candidate that I agree with on 75% of the issues or someone who I agree with only 45% of the time.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 12:06:56 PM
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ekserekseez
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One last important question to ask yourself: Would I rather vote for a candidate that I agree with on 75% of the issues or someone who I agree with only 45% of the time.
I ask myself this: would I rather vote for a fiscal conservative who actually believes in the Constitution (Barr), or a socialist who disguises himself as a Democrat or Republican (Obama and McCain)?
I'll vote for Barr. It's a free country; go ahead and vote socialist.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 12:24:52 PM
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You can choose to throw your votes away but you should not encourage others to do so.
This is one of the most irresponsible comments that I have read. No vote is a throw away. Shame on you.
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 12:26:41 PM
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ekserekseez
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This is one of the most irresponsible comments that I have read. No vote is a throw away. Shame on you.
Very true! In my opinion, voting socialist is throwing your vote away.
VOTE FOR OBAMA = SOCIALIST VOTE (fast track)
VOTE FOR McCAIN = SOCIALIST VOTE (slow boat)
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 12:40:03 PM
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Rockwall
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You can choose to throw your votes away but you should not encourage others to do so.
This is one of the most irresponsible comments that I have read.
Then I will have to honestly say that you do not read much and should do some more researching.
I noticed that you did not quote this part of my statement, is it because you cannot refute it?
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Voting for a third party right now would be akin to voting for Mickey Mouse or Donald Duck because neither they nor your third party have a chance to win.
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No vote is a throw away. Shame on you.
Emotionally, you may be correct, but a rational person will not vote on emotions alone. Can you factually state when was the last time a third party has won the presidential election?
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RE: third party or lesser of two evils? - 10/5/2008 12:43:31 PM
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ekserekseez
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Can you factually state when was the last time a third party has won the presidential election?
Your logical error lies in the fact that you think not winning the election is the same as throwing a vote away. It is not, except in your mind, because you have defined one to mean the other.
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