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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 1:13:15 PM
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sunshine4God
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I read "Of mice and Men" when I was in high school and loved it.It is a very good book and I hope it doesn't really get removed.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 3:49:00 PM
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Back in my day, many days ago, we read silently to ourselves Back in my day, which was pretty close to your day, we had to read aloud. But that was at a Catholic high school that was only the second highest rated scholastically. You guys must have been way more advanced. 
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 4:08:30 PM
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You guys must have been way more advanced. Sure we were! We didn't have nuns running around with steel clubs rulers forcing us to write with our right hand.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 4:40:39 PM
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It's too bad this mother is TOO LAZY TO BABYSIT HER OWN KIDS! So nobody else anywhere in the city schools gets to read a classic because she's afraid that her kids might stumble across it?
Too bad! This is another way that socialism is creeping into "conservative" thought. "I don't want my kid to see/read/watch this, so we'll just ban it so NOBODY can see it. That way I can lie around doing nothing, and don't have to worry about taking charge of my own child."
No wonder this country is going down the drain. This sad, pathetic, LAZY woman probably thinks she's a conservative. Bet she voted for W.
It is not socialism, but rather fascism.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 5:58:36 PM
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Fascism and socialism are two faces of the same coin.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 6:06:41 PM
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Dubya
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Fascism and socialism are two faces of the same coin.
True.
Neither of which has anything to do with this topic.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/25/2008 9:14:59 PM
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I think it's pretty obvious that most posters here DO understand that this has EVERYTHING to do with this topic. The woman who wants to deprive a large group of people just because she is TOO LAZY TO TAKE CARE OF HER OWN KID is a socialist. Socialism is the other side of fascism, as you agree.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 8:23:28 AM
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Dubya
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
I think it's pretty obvious that most posters here DO understand that this has EVERYTHING to do with this topic. The woman who wants to deprive a large group of people just because she is TOO LAZY TO TAKE CARE OF HER OWN KID is a socialist. Socialism is the other side of fascism, as you agree.
I think it is clearly obvious that you refuse to read the article. The mom does not want to deny anyone anything. She merely wants the book removed from the REQUIRED reading list. This is NOT a book ban.
And how can you make such accusations of laziness when you are so lazy that you do not read the article?
In addition, it is NOT socialism for a citizen to voice their objections to a government policy. It is the heart of the democratic system for citizens to have such rights. You clearly do not know the slightest bit about government systems or the rights of individuals in OUR system to question authority.
Maybe you should go back to school and study Civics 101 again... OR ARE YOU TOO LAZY???
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 8:55:13 AM
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Well, Dubya, I'm sure it makes you feel good to call me names. It works for your namesake, after all, doesn't it? RINOs willl be RINOs! Spare me your liberalism.
It is obvious to other posters here, and to those who sent me private messages, that I do, in fact, read and understand this article.
And no, there is no "right" to ban what students can read aloud. Unless, of course, you're a Supreme Court justice, and it's your "hobby" to "discover" new "rights" all of the time. You are not "participating in the democratic process" by telling others what they may or may not read aloud.
You can call it what you want. I will call it what it is: SOCIALISM. FASCISM. TOTALITERIANISM. RINO behavior at its (unfortunately) most typical.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:04:45 AM
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Smith added that any student disturbed by the book's language can read an alternative.
Washington said that's just not enough.
"I want them to find another book that doesn't use the word so violently and profusely," Washington said.
Sounds like she wants what she wants and that means that everyone needs to do what she says.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:06:18 AM
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Dubya
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Well, Dubya, I'm sure it makes you feel good to call me names. It works for your namesake, after all, doesn't it? RINOs willl be RINOs! Spare me your liberalism.
It is obvious to other posters here, and to those who sent me private messages, that I do, in fact, read and understand this article.
And no, there is no "right" to ban what students can read aloud. Unless, of course, you're a Supreme Court justice, and it's your "hobby" to "discover" new "rights" all of the time. You are not "participating in the democratic process" by telling others what they may or may not read aloud.
You can call it what you want. I will call it what it is: SOCIALISM. FASCISM. TOTALITERIANISM. RINO behavior at its (unfortunately) most typical.
Well I'll tell you what I would call SOCIALISM. FASCISM. TOTALITERIANISM, and that is when the GOVERNMENT restricts basic freedoms like that of a PRIVATE citizen to question or object to policies of a GOVERNMENT institution... like a public school.
If you read the article so well maybe you could quote to me where the woman banned ANYTHING? Or maybe you could show me where the school officials caved in to her demands???
By the way, I did not call you any name other than what you called the woman in the article.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:10:04 AM
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Dubya
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Smith added that any student disturbed by the book's language can read an alternative.
Washington said that's just not enough.
"I want them to find another book that doesn't use the word so violently and profusely," Washington said.
Sounds like she wants what she wants and that means that everyone needs to do what she says.
Could you tell me what is wrong with a mom WANTING something different from the school board? She has every right to object and voice her concerns. Silencing her would be all the things ekserekseez accuses her of.
Also, since the discussion is about the use of a word... does anyone on this forum have the courage to put it in print (let alone say it out loud in public)?
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:13:48 AM
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First, I'm not complaining about you calling me names. Badge of honor!
Second, yes, the woman in the article wants to control what everyone else can read aloud.
This is yet another reason to drop not only the Department of Education, but the entire public school system.
As CoeurDeLeon (great name, BTW!) says, sounds like she wants what she wants and that means that everyone needs to do what she says. Or, in my words, she's too lazy to take charge of her own kid. It's easier to just ban something for everyone else.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:18:13 AM
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I'm curious as to just how many times is the "word" used?
As to my comment about it being history, well, that wasn't exaclty what I meant. Re-read my post. I used the example of history class because alot of horrible things happened and it gets dicussed in more detail in high school. Is she gonna have a problem with certain words then? Some people should keep their thoughts to themselves I think.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:26:37 AM
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CoeurdeLeon_
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ORIGINAL: ekserekseez
As CoeurDeLeon (great name, BTW!) says, sounds like she wants what she wants and that means that everyone needs to do what she says. Or, in my words, she's too lazy to take charge of her own kid. It's easier to just ban something for everyone else.
Whoops! Not going there and pretty much don't agree with you or the labels and all the stuff in CAPS. I don't wish to be bracketed with you in agreement on anything from what I've read so far.
Just making a comment on my take on the article. 
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Could you tell me what is wrong with a mom WANTING something different from the school board? She has every right to object and voice her concerns. Silencing her would be all the things ekserekseez accuses her of.
Also, since the discussion is about the use of a word... does anyone on this forum have the courage to put it in print (let alone say it out loud in public)?
Silencing her? I didn't read that part.
You know, when I went to parochial school (as a Protestant), I was allowed to have a study hall when all the other kids were in Religion class. Religion class wasn't discontinued because my Protestant sensibilities were offended.
I dunno, maybe that's not a good analogy but, seems to me you can make requests and if the board wants to compromise and accommodate you, great. But one mom shouldn't set the rules. School boards are elected are they not? If the majority of parents agree with Ms. Washington, there is recourse come election time.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:40:09 AM
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Dubya
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First, I'm not complaining about you calling me names. Badge of honor!
Same goes for you calling me a RINO.
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Second, yes, the woman in the article wants to control what everyone else can read aloud.
This is yet another reason to drop not only the Department of Education, but the entire public school system.
Why do you say that? Did the school cave in to her request? Seems to me they support your position.
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As CoeurDeLeon (great name, BTW!) says, sounds like she wants what she wants and that means that everyone needs to do what she says. Or, in my words, she's too lazy to take charge of her own kid. It's easier to just ban something for everyone else.
I think I'm beginning to understand your thought process.
As long as parents go along with whatever the school wants to do regarding reading material, teaching methods, etc. then they are good conservatives and not being lazy. When a parent goes to the school and voices concern over what is being read aloud in class, this is being a lazy socialist.
I imagine you also like schools teaching homosexuality as a perfectly acceptable lifestyle choice. And you probably agree with having elementary school students read "Jennifer Has Two Daddys". And you probably have a problem with students who want to say a prayer before athletic events such as football games.
I think I understand your "conservatism"... we must all walk in lockstep with the government run schools and we must never, ever disagree or voice our objections to anything they impose on our children. I'm sure Ron Paul would be proud of you.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:45:34 AM
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Dubya
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I dunno, maybe that's not a good analogy but, seems to me you can make requests and if the board wants to compromise and accommodate you, great. But one mom shouldn't set the rules. School boards are elected are they not? If the majority of parents agree with Ms. Washington, there is recourse come election time.
I think we agree. I did not read anything in the article where the mom was dictating anything. The school did not cave in, nor did the school board.
My problem is when someone calls her a socialist simply because she voices her objections... and then calls her lazy, of all things. The vast majority of parents will not get off their lazy rear ends and go to the school when something happens they object to. They just sit and complain. WHile you may not agree with her poisition, I don't see how anyone can claim she is a lazy parent.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:50:06 AM
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I'm curious as to just how many times is the "word" used?
Isn't once enough. How many times do you think you could write that word in this forum?
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As to my comment about it being history, well, that wasn't exaclty what I meant. Re-read my post. I used the example of history class because alot of horrible things happened and it gets dicussed in more detail in high school. Is she gonna have a problem with certain words then?
Why make assumptions on what this woman may or may not think about other subjects? I think the article confined her objections to one class and one book.
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Some people should keep their thoughts to themselves I think.
Of course I agree that history needs to be taught with all the deteails of the horrible things that happen.
I also agree that history should not be re-written. But why is it necessary for a racially charged word be used?
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 9:52:55 AM
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I dunno, maybe that's not a good analogy but, seems to me you can make requests and if the board wants to compromise and accommodate you, great. But one mom shouldn't set the rules. School boards are elected are they not? If the majority of parents agree with Ms. Washington, there is recourse come election time.
I think we agree.
I'm certainly much closer in agreement with you than with others.
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I did not read anything in the article where the mom was dictating anything. The school did not cave in, nor did the school board.
The part I quoted just made me wonder how far she was going to take it. She seems, from the article, to not be willing to accept the accommodation and compromise that the school is offering.
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My problem is when someone calls her a socialist simply because she voices her objections... and then calls her lazy, of all things. The vast majority of parents will not get off their lazy rear ends and go to the school when something happens they object to. They just sit and complain. WHile you may not agree with her poisition, I don't see how anyone can claim she is a lazy parent.
I am in complete, 100% agreement with you here.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 10:00:33 AM
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Dubya
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The part I quoted just made me wonder how far she was going to take it. She seems, from the article, to not be willing to accept the accommodation and compromise that the school is offering.
You are certainly right here also... but is it not her right in a democracy to take it a step further - perhaps to the school board?... or even to court if she feels strongly enough?
My point in this debate was not necessarily to agree with her position but to disagree with the name calling... lazy socialist, totalitarian, etc by someone who does not know how to apply those terms to the current situation.
Socialism, etc is a GOVERNMENT system in which individual rights are resticted or denied. In this case, an INDIVIDUAL was exercising her rights as a citizen of a democracy to voice her concerns over what was happening in her child's school. Like it or not... this is democracy in action.
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RE: K.C. mom wants 'Mice and Men' removed - 9/26/2008 10:10:00 AM
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Some people just don't get it. Maybe it's the result of a public school education?
Dubya, you keep accusing me of not reading. It looks to me like you're not reading.
In my opinion, there shouldn't be government schools at all. As long as there are, it shouldn't be one lazy mom's job to dictate reading lists.
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