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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/18/2008 7:02:03 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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I guess we will also have to pass a law making contraceptives illegal too. I guess all Christians can no longer have vasectomies, tubal ligation's, use IUD's, the pill or any other form of contraceptive, because to prevent God's creation from being created is as bad, if not worse than, allowing abortion. I wonder what the statistics would be for the number of children who were prevented from being conceived. I bet it is astronomical. If I recall in the Bible, God tells us to be fruitful and multiply. So, to prevent a child from being created through the use of a contraceptive is a real bad sin too. The the real purpose of sex is to, "pro-create", am I not right. I have yet to read anywhere in the bible where God says you can stop at a certain number of children and then prevent the process of creation so you can just have sex for pleasure. All of this would mean you can't be pro-life if you've had or are about to have any elective surgery to make yourself sterile or if you use any form of contraceptive. I could have included those who've had non-elective surgery to save their life, after all we must not prevent the child from being conceived no matter the cost($$$). Seriously, how can you be truly be pro-life if you've prevented or you're preventing children from being born.
then you may as well stop having sex. Because each time a person has sex, some of the seeds get spilt when they leak out. But God created sex. God knew that would happen... with your logic, then every time the God-created sexual act happens, it is an abortion happening.
with your logic, every time a person chooses not to have sex, they are anti-life because they are not having sex to procreate. With your logic, every time a married couple turn on the tv to watch the news they are not having sex, therefore, not procreating and having children and with your logic, now they are anti-life.
I think your arguement has gone over to the ridiculous.
Life begins at conception. Thats the exact point that when something interferes with that or not interferes, is when something is considered an abortion or not an abortion, pro-life or pro-abortion.
one warning - you do have to watch to make sure your choice for child prevention is not one that causes an abortion like the Morning After pill, where a baby has already been conceived.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/18/2008 7:46:25 PM
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Have you ever noticed that when pro-abortion folks realize they can't really justify murdering an unborn child, that they start grasping at a straw man in a vain attempt to make their position look reasonable?
God clearly tells us not to murder another human being; He does not at any point suggest that every sperm and egg have to become a human being - in fact, it is impossible for this to happen. So try sticking with the actual issue instead of dissembling
I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
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If a man doesn't have sexual intercourse with every women he lusts after you can't "be truly be pro-life" because "you're preventing children from being born."
Where in my post did I indicate a man has to sex with every woman he lusts after? I make a valid point and you take it to a ridiculous level. I'm glad you find it amusing, because I don't. Why do you infer my post is about sex outside of marriage? I was referring to sex between married couples, this is after all a Christian forum.
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then you may as well stop having sex. Because each time a person has sex, some of the seeds get spilt when they leak out. But God created sex. God knew that would happen... with your logic, then every time the God-created sexual act happens, it is an abortion happening.
with your logic, every time a person chooses not to have sex, they are anti-life because they are not having sex to procreate. With your logic, every time a married couple turn on the tv to watch the news they are not having sex, therefore, not procreating and having children and with your logic, now they are anti-life.
A woman does not get pregnant every time she has sex. My post is not illogical. The women in biblical times who were married got by without using contraception. I never implied in my post everyone has go around having sex and pro-create. Sex according to the bible is suppose to be between a man and wife.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/18/2008 8:58:27 PM
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I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
It goes like this... let me see if a Biblical revelation can shed some more light on the subject …..And don’t ask me how Moses had the scientific information to come up with the analogy; later to “be proven to be true” in taught in every basic High School biology class and who knows by now…kindergarten… (They have a condom quota to reach!) 
18 The Lord God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." 19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found.
So here we see Adam was alone and quite simply could not multiply on his own, and after watching all the beasts of the field all that time ...he most likely was getting a little antsy
So God was getting worried...and said…..18 The Lord God said, "It is not good”… for the man to be alone.
(God was beginning to think Adam could no longer be trusted with the care of the Animals  )…SO God had to move QUICK and Moses actually had to pass a law concerning the same
SO.....…..21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; ( to squash any thoughts Adam may have had )….and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.
22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
There is a slight gap in time here ...but ( since there is no recorded record that God woke up Adam... we have assume here… that He did)…..
23 The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man." (So that squashed any thoughts Adam may have had otherwise) and that thought was later reiterated by Paul in 1Cor 7:7-9
Now here is the KEY.... to basic biology and human reproduction
24 For this reason a man (afterwards; who was “born) will leave his “father and mother” and be united to his wife, and (then repeat the process)…. they "will become".. one flesh.
With the Modern discovery of basic logic and that being applied to proven biological human reproduction…
If we look at Adam as the sperm
And the women as the egg…
When the 2 ….or (they) become 1.... We have 1 flesh = child
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Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized?
You didn’t…
The Bible suggests it only takes 1 fertilized egg to be life; which has been proven scientifically
…..Truthfully… even Obama himself made statement that we to “trust in science…go figure! 
But....What we are seeing under the cover of abortion.... is just the beginning of Genetic engineering which will eventually (EVOLVE) ...to coincide with that which is already in the works= called social engineering
A good study on that most likely can be found in the way China handles their population...and remember ….the Big Change Motto seems to be =(Share the wealth)
It’s nothing new!!! 
Genesis 11:5-9
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
6 And the Lord said, "Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another's speech." 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/18/2008 9:12:51 PM
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Where in my post did I indicate a man has to sex with every woman he lusts after? I make a valid point and you take it to a ridiculous level.
You were there long before I joined in. Just to remind you, you wrote that contraception "is as bad, if not worse than, allowing abortion."
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 3:14:02 PM
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It is thoroughly silly to tell someone that they are responsible for every abortion that takes place simply because they voted for a particular elected official. This stance has no credible foundation in scripture. I challenge you to prove me wrong. Without twisting scripture to fit your needs.
Please see this post from earlier in the thread for a scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 3:27:09 PM
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It is thoroughly silly to tell someone that they are responsible for every abortion that takes place simply because they voted for a particular elected official. This stance has no credible foundation in scripture. I challenge you to prove me wrong. Without twisting scripture to fit your needs.
Please see this post from earlier in the thread for a scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
-Robb
Then that means everyone who votes for either candidate will be responsible for killing children, since both support embryonic stem cell research.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 4:26:14 PM
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It is thoroughly silly to tell someone that they are responsible for every abortion that takes place simply because they voted for a particular elected official. This stance has no credible foundation in scripture. I challenge you to prove me wrong. Without twisting scripture to fit your needs.
Please see this post from earlier in the thread for a scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
-Robb
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scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
Ge 4:9 - Show Context
Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 4:40:26 PM
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scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
Ge 4:9 - Show Context
Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
I'm not sure I follow you LG are you saying we are not responsible for others sin or we are? It doesn't matter one way or the other. If you vote for either candidate you're still killing babies. Well, actually through stem cell research you wouldn't be just killing them, you'd be torturing them as well, that is if you believe life begins at conception.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 5:28:56 PM
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Then that means everyone who votes for either candidate will be responsible for killing children, since both support embryonic stem cell research.
Here is the statement on Stem Cell Research from Senator McCain's site:
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Stem cell research offers tremendous hope for those suffering from a variety of deadly diseases - hope for both cures and life-extending treatments. However, the compassion to relieve suffering and to cure deadly disease cannot erode moral and ethical principles.
For this reason, John McCain opposes the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes. To that end, Senator McCain voted to ban the practice of "fetal farming," making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes. Furthermore, he voted to ban attempts to use or obtain human cells gestated in animals. Finally, John McCain strongly opposes human cloning and voted to ban the practice, and any related experimentation, under federal law.
As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos.
Where federal funds are used for stem cell research, Senator McCain believes clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress, and that any such research should be subject to strict federal guidelines.
And some relevant recent articles from a Google search:
Catholic News Agency (From January)
Life Site News (From September)
Think Progress (Also from September)
The Think Progress article notes that the official GOP Platform has language calling for a ban on embryonic stem cell research, and expresses doubt that Senator McCain would actually continue supporting such research. This is from a very left-wing site, too.
I think it seems clear that McCain's support for embryonic stem cell research is tenuous at best, and is open to Pro-Life arguments against it. Especially given the official opposition in the GOP Platform, there is significant reason to hope that he would not advance that particular cause as President. There is no such hope with Senator Obama.
Furthermore, Senator McCain has made no promises of action regarding embryonic stem cells. Obama has promised to advance abortion. We are therefore comparing hypotheticals versus fact.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 6:05:34 PM
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Boston Globe 17 Oct 08
http://www.boston.com/news/education/higher/articles/2008/10/17/stem_cell_debate_resurfaces_after_lingering_in_background/
"McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said the GOP nominee supports overturning the ban, too, even though some have questioned whether his position has shifted with the choice of running mate Sarah Palin, who opposes the research. McCain's support for funding embryonic stem cell research is also at odds with the GOP platform.
Rogers said this week that McCain's position has not changed, and that as president McCain would "absolutely" support embryonic stem cell research. "He bucked his party and [the Bush] administration in supporting stem cell research, including embryonic stem cell research," Rogers said, and will continue to do so."
I do not call this tenuous. His website use to say outright he supported embryonic stem cell research. It appears now he is being deceptive and misleading people to get more votes. So, if you vote for either candidate you're still voting for a baby killer, regardless of how many babies are killed.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 6:47:30 PM
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I do think that those that vote for Obama should have some culpability in the increase of partial-birth and post-birth (read infanticide) abortions that will happen; since Obama has made his position on pushing these procedures.
Since Obama is open about his desire to have the government (medicaid) to pay for abortions, and to include them in his government health care; folks that vote for him should have some culpability in those also.
The same for the coming depression that his ecomony plan will bring, and the same for the terrorist attacks that will happen.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 6:51:00 PM
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scriptural argument against endorsing the sin of another.
Ge 4:9 - Show Context
Then the Lord said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?"
I'm not sure I follow you LG are you saying we are not responsible for others sin or we are?
Greetings..
If I am not mistaken I think God held Cain responsible for Able’s life, Cain was responsible for his own sin....
10 And He said, "What have you done? The voice of your brother's blood cries out to Me from the ground. 11 So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand .
CURSE=12 When you till the ground, it shall no longer yield its strength to you. = no blessing from the work of the hands, which boils down to no blessing on men trying to get this country out of the pit.
for example let's say.....when one knows someone who murdered another or was present and withholds that information from the authorities; and is found out later that is was known... that one usually gets charged with murder also or a comparable charge.
And in some cases when a person murders a women who is pregnant; and the child dies …why is that man charged with the 2 murders, but when the child is aborted …it is not 1 murder???
Something does not compute (BIG contradiction)….there,
What justifies that form of reasoning? = 
Or to put plainly what form of excuses are attached to that one… that lets one go free; and the other not?
11 So now you are cursed from the earth, which has opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand .
Why do you think this country is in the mess it is in now…think perhaps (the real) God (in heaven) is sending a message?
Proverbs 29:1-1
1 A man who remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy.
What that word destroyed means ....is God will allow it!....= and once allowed.... it is without remedy
What’s the difference if one supports murder by someone else’s hand doing the deed …does one think God is going to look the other way...
..as if He is stupid or something??
I'm not sure I follow you LG are you saying we are not responsible for others sin or we are?
It’s not for me to say, but ….What do you say?
I know what He has told me…
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 7:50:15 PM
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I do think that those that vote for Obama should have some culpability in the increase of partial-birth and post-birth (read infanticide) abortions that will happen; since Obama has made his position on pushing these procedures.
Since Obama is open about his desire to have the government (medicaid) to pay for abortions, and to include them in his government health care; folks that vote for him should have some culpability in those also.
The same for the coming depression that his ecomony plan will bring, and the same for the terrorist attacks that will happen.
Thanks
RC
Baby killing is baby killing! It doesn't matter if it's by abortion or stem cell research the culpability is the same. Actually the abortion rate has decreased. This is what puzzles me:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 8:07:37 PM
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Boston Globe 17 Oct 08
Thank you for the link. I did not see that in my search.
While I find the spokesman's remarks concerning, the article goes on to say:
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But in a response to Science Debate 2008, an initiative to learn candidates' position backed by scientific organizations, McCain also said "recent scientific breakthroughs raise the hope that one day this debate will be rendered academic."
Which was noted in one of the links I provided. And:
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The Rev. Tadeusz Pacholczyk, education director for the National Catholic Bioethics Center, which opposes human embryonic stem cell research, said he still sees "a certain level of ambiguity regarding" McCain's position.
And given Senator McCain's own words in explaining his past support (in one of those links I posted), and the fact that he has not promised to do anything specific one way or another, there remains hope that his position may be swayed. That makes a vote for McCain something of a calculated risk because it is not known exactly what he will do. It is a risk I will be taking to oppose Obama's guaranteed increase in the death toll.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 8:34:09 PM
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I don't think this will be a pressing issue if McCain gets in office, with everything else going on. I believe he'll give his o.k., especially since he's for lifting the ban on government funded embryonic stem cell research. Then it won't matter how we feel, because he'll already be in office. Everyone who votes either way will still be a baby killer and torturer.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 8:39:56 PM
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I do think that those that vote for Obama should have some culpability in the increase of partial-birth and post-birth (read infanticide) abortions that will happen; since Obama has made his position on pushing these procedures.
Since Obama is open about his desire to have the government (medicaid) to pay for abortions, and to include them in his government health care; folks that vote for him should have some culpability in those also.
The same for the coming depression that his ecomony plan will bring, and the same for the terrorist attacks that will happen.
Thanks
RC
Baby killing is baby killing! It doesn't matter if it's by abortion or stem cell research the culpability is the same. Actually the abortion rate has decreased. This is what puzzles me:
Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
Greetings,
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Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html
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identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.
I guess not all who ID themselves as such…are…..
SO what you are attempting to press is that out of 100,000 registrations when 10,000 are found to be fraud that the excuse given above in how ACORN justifies it ; by showing the same spirit towards abortion…correct?
LG
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 9:03:46 PM
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SO what you are attempting to press is that out of 100,000 registrations when 10,000 are found to be fraud that the excuse given above in how ACORN justifies it ; by showing the same spirit towards abortion…correct?
LG
I don't know what you are trying to say. All I'm saying is no matter which candidate we vote for, we all will be culpable for killing and torturing babies through stem cell research or abortion. It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, that's still one too many.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 9:13:13 PM
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SO what you are attempting to press is that out of 100,000 registrations when 10,000 are found to be fraud that the excuse given above in how ACORN justifies it ; by showing the same spirit towards abortion…correct?
LG
I don't know what you are trying to say. All I'm saying is no matter which candidate we vote for, we all will be culpable for killing and torturing babies through stem cell research or abortion. It doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100, that's still one too many.
It does matter. It matters to those who survive. Obama will send money to foreign agencies to abort children. He will try to break the Hyde amendment and pay to abort American children. He will attempt to overturn the federal ban on partial birth abortion. He will sign the Freedom of Choice Act, undoing much pro-life legislation. An Obama victory will be a death sentence to many who will live if John McCain wins.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 9:57:58 PM
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I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
You don't seem to grasp my logic; it has nothing to do with what God doesn't say, and everything to do with what He clearly says - the command not to murder is one of the clearest in the Bible, and so there is no 'wide open door' to allow for an abortion.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/19/2008 10:11:13 PM
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I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
You don't seem to grasp my logic; it has nothing to do with what God doesn't say, and everything to do with what He clearly says - the command not to murder is one of the clearest in the Bible, and so there is no 'wide open door' to allow for an abortion.
Well that's why stem cell research is not only murder, but torture.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/29/2008 10:59:37 AM
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/29/2008 11:02:35 AM
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dovetales
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
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I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
You don't seem to grasp my logic; it has nothing to do with what God doesn't say, and everything to do with what He clearly says - the command not to murder is one of the clearest in the Bible, and so there is no 'wide open door' to allow for an abortion.
I agree with you totally.
NOW can you please help me figure out how to get my own picture off my PC to show up as my avatar? No matter what I do I seem to only be able to use the avatars Crosswalk has to choose from but I see you have a photo-- how did you do that? Thanks
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/29/2008 11:04:20 AM
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StephK
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ORIGINAL: dovetales
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
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I'm not grasping at straws, it's a valid point. I'm not trying to justify abortion. Where in my post did I imply every egg a woman produces has to be fertilized? If we go by your logic as long as God says nothing about it in the bible it's o.k., that leaves a door wide open to interpretation. If your stance is pro-life then this on topic.
You don't seem to grasp my logic; it has nothing to do with what God doesn't say, and everything to do with what He clearly says - the command not to murder is one of the clearest in the Bible, and so there is no 'wide open door' to allow for an abortion.
I agree with you totally.
NOW can you please help me figure out how to get my own picture off my PC to show up as my avatar? No matter what I do I seem to only be able to use the avatars Crosswalk has to choose from but I see you have a photo-- how did you do that? Thanks
You have to have a certain number of posts first. It's back in the feedback section on the specific number.
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right but the heart of the fool to the left.
Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/29/2008 11:20:29 AM
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LoyalGypsy
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