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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 12:03:57 PM
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StephK
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Senator Biden said the following during the 10/2/08 VP Debate:
And it didn't take me long -- it was hard to change, but it didn't take me long, but it took about five years for me to realize that the ideology of that judge makes a big difference. That's why I led the fight against Judge Bork. Had he been on the court, I suspect there would be a lot of changes that I don't like and the American people wouldn't like, including everything from Roe v. Wade to issues relating to civil rights and civil liberties.
Just using Biden's own words where who we vote for has long term ramifications on this issue. Bork was a strict constructionist judge.
This brings up a very good point. For anyone who cares about their Constitutional rights, look how the Supreme Court justices have ruled. Specifically the liberal judges, the ones Senator Obama has pointed to and said he will appoint ones exactly like them. They have voted repeatedly to undermine and outright take away rights specifically spelled out in the Constitution! Own your own home? Thanks to the Kelo v. New London decision, the government is free to force you to sell so they can give the land to a private developer. (Four liberal justices plus a swing vote.) They tried to undermine the whole Second Amendment, but they were only four; the swing vote went the other way this time. And this doesn't even touch on the relentless drive to remove God from public life completely. (In a dissenting opinion a few years back, one of the conservative judges - I forget which one, Scalia, Thomas, or Rehnquist - noted the Court was displaying outright hostility to religion.)
Our rights are not safe in the hands of justices who feel they can reinterpret and redefine what the Constitution means to fit their views. And those are exactly the sort of judges that Senator Obama has said he will appoint.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 12:15:49 PM
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OK OK i want to know this -
if i vote for obama, then is God gonna hold ME personally responsible for continued abortions in this country?
and on that logic, if I vote for mccain and the abortion laws are NOT overturned, then what does that make me? a baby killer since mccain will not have overturned the laws either.
Either way, the abortion issue is gonna be there, its going on RIGHT NOW. no one is destroying abortion clinics. no matter who i vote for, abortion is going to continue. i know you hate it, but its a factoid of life.. unfortunately.
ok unless you destroy an abortion clinic, that must mean that you, Christian, support that clinic being up there doing business every day.
see how that is skewed logic? i dont think its fair for me to burden that. if i want to stop abortion, i'll just destroy all the abortion clinics in the nation. but im not. so i guess im already a baby killer by the fact that i just sit here and do nothing about it.
oh taking THAT logic, does that mean a vote for mccain means your off the hook for abortions, coz you voted for a guy that claims he is anti-abortion? you think that will get YOU off the hook?
I dont think so.
You are just as much at fault just wishin and hopin it will go away as i am when i vote for obama, if i do decide to vote for him. I better not admit it or else you will hunt me down and do something bad to me.
I think it is pretty skewed logic, much as it would be if one claimed that unless one personally went out and shot slaveowners, one had no responsibility as a Christian to vote against slavery.
But if you do want to do something, I highly reccomend you volunteer a pro-life crisis pregnancy center.
The important thing is freedom of choice. God gave us the freedom to choose. The tree of life was off limits. But somehow, Adam and Eve were still able to choose and actually eat from it. God does not force us to do anything. Even in the Old Testiment when God was in control, people chose unwisely. He had to keep forgiving them. WE can change laws in this contry that outlaw abortions. But what will that do? There will still be people who choose. There will be an underground abortion industry. Then what? Throw the mothers in jail? Throw the doctors in jail? That will certainly help. How do you enforce that? Children will still die. I recall how women used to use hangers in allies to kill their unborn babies. Is that what we want to go back to?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 12:39:46 PM
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I keep noticing that people say that nothing has been done on the pro-life frout and there for is a waste of time to vote for a pro-life canidite. But hink aobut this fact, it took William Wilburforce almost 20 years to pass anti -slavery bills throught Parliment. What if the abolitionist at that time had given up on Wilburforce and said oh he has not gotten anything done lets vote from someone else. Just something to think about. Also think about all the work done at state levels to subvert Roe v Wade. My own state of Colorado will be voting on an amendment to define personhood from the time of conception thus giving protection to the unborn in our Constitiution.
And to reiterate what others have said I do think that if you vote for a pro-choice canidate especially one as pro-choice as Obama you will be held responsible for the contiuned bloodshed of 4500 babies a day. Support of evil no matter the form is still support of evil.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 12:53:48 PM
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OK OK i want to know this -
if i vote for obama, then is God gonna hold ME personally responsible for continued abortions in this country?
and on that logic, if I vote for mccain and the abortion laws are NOT overturned, then what does that make me? a baby killer since mccain will not have overturned the laws either.
Either way, the abortion issue is gonna be there, its going on RIGHT NOW. no one is destroying abortion clinics. no matter who i vote for, abortion is going to continue. i know you hate it, but its a factoid of life.. unfortunately.
ok unless you destroy an abortion clinic, that must mean that you, Christian, support that clinic being up there doing business every day.
see how that is skewed logic? i dont think its fair for me to burden that. if i want to stop abortion, i'll just destroy all the abortion clinics in the nation. but im not. so i guess im already a baby killer by the fact that i just sit here and do nothing about it.
oh taking THAT logic, does that mean a vote for mccain means your off the hook for abortions, coz you voted for a guy that claims he is anti-abortion? you think that will get YOU off the hook?
I dont think so.
You are just as much at fault just wishin and hopin it will go away as i am when i vote for obama, if i do decide to vote for him. I better not admit it or else you will hunt me down and do something bad to me.
I think it is pretty skewed logic, much as it would be if one claimed that unless one personally went out and shot slaveowners, one had no responsibility as a Christian to vote against slavery.
But if you do want to do something, I highly reccomend you volunteer a pro-life crisis pregnancy center.
The important thing is freedom of choice. God gave us the freedom to choose. The tree of life was off limits. But somehow, Adam and Eve were still able to choose and actually eat from it. God does not force us to do anything. Even in the Old Testiment when God was in control, people chose unwisely. He had to keep forgiving them. WE can change laws in this contry that outlaw abortions. But what will that do? There will still be people who choose. There will be an underground abortion industry. Then what? Throw the mothers in jail? Throw the doctors in jail? That will certainly help. How do you enforce that? Children will still die. I recall how women used to use hangers in allies to kill their unborn babies. Is that what we want to go back to?
If someone had the choice to murder you, you wouldn't be pro-abortion.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 12:56:55 PM
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WE can change laws in this contry that outlaw abortions. But what will that do?
For starters ... it will save millions of babies, and on the financial front (for the few that only care about their pocket book) those added lives will feed back into the social security fund (if it makes it long enough for them grow up that is) and bring more money into the economy with the larger workforce.
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There will still be people who choose. There will be an underground abortion industry. Then what? Throw the mothers in jail? Throw the doctors in jail? ... How do you enforce that?
There was an underground industry before R v W and the number of people seeking this type of service was extremely low compared to today's numbers. They are not talking about throwing anyone into jail ... they are talking about closing down an industry in much the same way a neighborhood gets together to throw out the adult bookstore that is trashing their neighborhood. When the clinics are no longer able to receive federal funds for those abortions (which is what R v W did ... it allowed for government money to pay for lower income abortions) you take away the $ incentive and therefore the business goes elsewhere. It would be very much like the way the FDA regulates drugs that are approved in the US. If you wish to receive an alternative drug treatment that is not approved by the FDA you must go where they do have that particular treatment (lets say Candida or Mexico) and take your chances there. Not very many have the financial means to do this and the number of babies killed will be greatly reduced.
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Children will still die. I recall how women used to use hangers in allies to kill their unborn babies. Is that what we want to go back to?
You will not see as many women attempt to use hangers as some did before ... there will still be a loss of life for those who attempt to do this, just as we have drug users overdose and die from drug use. But not nearly as many as wee see now. We will never save everybody ... but not being able to save every single person is no excuse for allowing millions to be killed because of an all or nothing philosophy.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 1:08:07 PM
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The abortion issue Federaly legalized is so unbeliavable that I may keep asking the same questions, people answering it and still not making any sense, to me.
Abortion was taken from States and given to Federal Gov to rule all..it seems that by doing that it got into higher power as untouchable issue. Now how come the issue can not be reverse to The People to at least vote and settle the issue themselves I don't get it as much some try to explain.
During elections all will remain the same: numbers of abortion growing by the millions , politicians taking sides choice or life as their constituents. The only change may really come when individuals are allowed to vote for it until then high couts and high judges will rule all the issues, status quo reggarding abortion remains.
Time are passing and people getting so cold, detached about life, how can someone explain the grotesque idea to plot interruption of a pregnancy that a baby is perfectly formed kicking mothers tummy all over with his hidden lively activities to all to see notin need of high tech at all as to prove, baby does exist. How come up with a plot to interrup a life, claimimg "privacy" rights?
I do feel responsable indeed because I am a witness of life eventhough this life I am not the one carrying it but no one owns it even ones mother to decide to cease it to exist. I do not to give any ok to executed under my name I do not just protest but veemently require it to stop the privacy killings that are allowed to go on, under my name.
If the politicians cannot do much about abortion, the people must cry out to at least have a chance to vote on the legality of abortion. If representatives are not doing a good job we must represent ourselves and get to voice our full indignations reggarding issues, we have strong settled standings about.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 1:32:22 PM
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well now since I cannot stand mccain's personality, and 8 more years of more bush type mess we are in, im sorry i just cannot vote for mccain.
I find this statement to be a bit perplexing ... you don't like his personality? Do you know the man personally? Because if you do not, you do not know what his personality is ... I know that many are saying lots of stuff about him that is not true, and if that is what is coloring your opinion of him, you are not seeing very clearly on this one.
The Obama camp has a mantra of McCain would be another Bush term .... as Jack pointed out, in the last 7.5 years he has voted with Bush only 67% of the time. In the last two years he has voted with him 90% of the time ... but much of the failures of the current administration lie in Bush's inability to communicate well enough to "sell the package" to the congress ... and much of lack of progress in the last two years is the result of congress not doing its job on important matters. There is far too much partisanship in Washington, making it impossible for anything of significance to get done. Bush started encouraging reforms for the financial industry way back in 2002 .... McCain co-sponsored a bill that would have averted the Freddie Fannie mess back in 2005. Bush's primary problem has been his inability to be a strong communicator in the face of extreme partisanship.
It sounds like (by the tone of your posts ... and I could be way off here, if so I apologize) your indecisiveness is due to a lack of understanding of the issues, along with, and I mean this as a very gentle rebuke, a lack of trusting God to guide you in your decisions. Have you been spending time with Him and listening to His voice on the matter? He will not be indecisive, it's against His nature.
Try to learn about how things work, and spend more time with the Father ... listening .... He will be faithful to guide you if you let Him.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:12:06 PM
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well now since I cannot stand mccain's personality, and 8 more years of more bush type mess we are in, im sorry i just cannot vote for mccain.
I find this statement to be a bit perplexing ... you don't like his personality? Do you know the man personally? Because if you do not, you do not know what his personality is ... I know that many are saying lots of stuff about him that is not true, and if that is what is coloring your opinion of him, you are not seeing very clearly on this one.
The Obama camp has a mantra of McCain would be another Bush term .... as Jack pointed out, in the last 7.5 years he has voted with Bush only 67% of the time. In the last two years he has voted with him 90% of the time ... but much of the failures of the current administration lie in Bush's inability to communicate well enough to "sell the package" to the congress ... and much of lack of progress in the last two years is the result of congress not doing its job on important matters. There is far too much partisanship in Washington, making it impossible for anything of significance to get done. Bush started encouraging reforms for the financial industry way back in 2002 .... McCain co-sponsored a bill that would have averted the Freddie Fannie mess back in 2005. Bush's primary problem has been his inability to be a strong communicator in the face of extreme partisanship.
It sounds like (by the tone of your posts ... and I could be way off here, if so I apologize) your indecisiveness is due to a lack of understanding of the issues, along with, and I mean this as a very gentle rebuke, a lack of trusting God to guide you in your decisions. Have you been spending time with Him and listening to His voice on the matter? He will not be indecisive, it's against His nature.
Try to learn about how things work, and spend more time with the Father ... listening .... He will be faithful to guide you if you let Him.
i do inwardly believe God will have his way, however, it is due to christians that im in this quandry. i did not think because i vote for obama i am now personally responsble for any abortions that happen due to him being president. so now im guilt-tripped into not being able to vote for someone i like personalitywise and what he is proposing (in everything except this issue). and i cant stand crabby mcclain and 4 more years of bush type government.
i feel like im being burdened with something that is not my fault. obama has other qualites too, maybe im voting for those other qualities, but no. unforunately, all this election is a one sided issue - ABORTION!!! and thats all everyone is looking at - mr Abortion vs mr non-abortion. thats all they are to some of you.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:30:49 PM
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WE can change laws in this contry that outlaw abortions. But what will that do? There will still be people who choose. There will be an underground abortion industry. Then what? Throw the mothers in jail? Throw the doctors in jail? That will certainly help. How do you enforce that? Children will still die. I recall how women used to use hangers in allies to kill their unborn babies. Is that what we want to go back to?
I think Psalms274 gave a wonderful answer, but I just want to point out the fallacy of this argument. By the same reasoning, since people are still killing other people on a daily basis, laws against murder are useless. So let's do away with those and see what happens.
-Robb
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:43:11 PM
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Children will still die. I recall how women used to use hangers in allies to kill their unborn babies. Is that what we want to go back to?
Using that logic, we might as well make murder and rape and burglary legal while we're at it. I mean, people still murder people and rape people and rob people, so obviously the law isn't doing anything, right?
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:43:15 PM
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well now since I cannot stand mccain's personality, and 8 more years of more bush type mess we are in, im sorry i just cannot vote for mccain.
I find this statement to be a bit perplexing ... you don't like his personality? Do you know the man personally? Because if you do not, you do not know what his personality is ... I know that many are saying lots of stuff about him that is not true, and if that is what is coloring your opinion of him, you are not seeing very clearly on this one.
The Obama camp has a mantra of McCain would be another Bush term .... as Jack pointed out, in the last 7.5 years he has voted with Bush only 67% of the time. In the last two years he has voted with him 90% of the time ... but much of the failures of the current administration lie in Bush's inability to communicate well enough to "sell the package" to the congress ... and much of lack of progress in the last two years is the result of congress not doing its job on important matters. There is far too much partisanship in Washington, making it impossible for anything of significance to get done. Bush started encouraging reforms for the financial industry way back in 2002 .... McCain co-sponsored a bill that would have averted the Freddie Fannie mess back in 2005. Bush's primary problem has been his inability to be a strong communicator in the face of extreme partisanship.
It sounds like (by the tone of your posts ... and I could be way off here, if so I apologize) your indecisiveness is due to a lack of understanding of the issues, along with, and I mean this as a very gentle rebuke, a lack of trusting God to guide you in your decisions. Have you been spending time with Him and listening to His voice on the matter? He will not be indecisive, it's against His nature.
Try to learn about how things work, and spend more time with the Father ... listening .... He will be faithful to guide you if you let Him.
i do inwardly believe God will have his way, however, it is due to christians that im in this quandry. i did not think because i vote for obama i am now personally responsble for any abortions that happen due to him being president. so now im guilt-tripped into not being able to vote for someone i like personalitywise and what he is proposing (in everything except this issue). and i cant stand crabby mcclain and 4 more years of bush type government.
i feel like im being burdened with something that is not my fault. obama has other qualites too, maybe im voting for those other qualities, but no. unforunately, all this election is a one sided issue - ABORTION!!! and thats all everyone is looking at - mr Abortion vs mr non-abortion. thats all they are to some of you.
50,000,000 dead and counting! Many of those 50,000,000 would be tax paying adults easing the burden on the workforce. Those judges that get appointed will determine which direction the country goes on more than one issue. In a way more so than the other two branches of government due to them legislating from the bench.
President Bush is not the only one responsible for the mess we are in. A lot of the reason we are in a financial crisis is in a way reflected with this abortion issue. Instant gratification comes in many different forms. The problem is that no one wants to pay the consequences of their irresponsible behavior. Government will never solve the problem.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:44:17 PM
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i feel like im being burdened with something that is not my fault. obama has other qualites too, maybe im voting for those other qualities, but no. unforunately, all this election is a one sided issue - ABORTION!!! and thats all everyone is looking at - mr Abortion vs mr non-abortion. thats all they are to some of you.
That's because abortion is the baseline, hon. It is anti-life. If a society is unwilling to spare the tiniest and most helpless of its citizens, then all bets are off. The slope begins to become untenably slippery. What's to keep the judicial process from one day deciding that people born with handicaps, or those past a certain age, are a drag to society? And if they won't willingly go off to their doom, well...they'll have ways of dealing with that as well.
You see? So yeah, if you side with someone who gladly promises his pro-abortion backers that one of the very first things he'll do in office is sign a document that will roll back every...single...protection the unborn presently have (and right now that's darn little), then yes, you share in his guilt. You, by your vote, enabled him to be in that position, to sign that legislation. Sorry, but that's simply how the process works. What you now do with that knowledge is up to you.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:46:49 PM
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i feel like im being burdened with something that is not my fault. obama has other qualites too, maybe im voting for those other qualities, but no. unforunately, all this election is a one sided issue - ABORTION!!! and thats all everyone is looking at - mr Abortion vs mr non-abortion. thats all they are to some of you.
It's a simple question. How important do you think that God thinks that abortion is?
Personally, I think God doesn't care how great Obama's personality is, or whether he has a fantastic economic plan, compared to how much I think God cares about unborn babies being murdered. So, I'm voting pro-life. But, that's just me. It's your call for you. If you're okay with voting for someone who is pro-abortion, then you and God can deal with that. *shrug*
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 2:47:27 PM
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you know what.. this whole thing is so horrible.. yes abortion is horrible. a lotof stuff going on in the world is horrible. I want to say I AM NOT RESPOSNIBLE FOR OTHER WOMEN AND MEN WHO HAVE ABORTIONS AND/OR WHO DO THEM!!!
now im being told im responsible for all of them.
Im not! i didnt' kill anyone.. i did not abort my kids.. now im being blamed for all those people i have NOTHING TO DO WITH!
the weight of the world im supposed to now carry.
this is upsetting.
i think i'll be an athiest for a couple months till the election is over so i dont have to be blamed.
i hate this whole election. i really do.
i dont know if anyone understands what im feelin.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:05:12 PM
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if thats for me, NO! i was fine and happy strolling along in life then BAM! out comes all this guilt heaped on my head!
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:06:03 PM
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you know what.. this whole thing is so horrible.. yes abortion is horrible. a lotof stuff going on in the world is horrible. I want to say I AM NOT RESPOSNIBLE FOR OTHER WOMEN AND MEN WHO HAVE ABORTIONS AND/OR WHO DO THEM!!!
now im being told im responsible for all of them.
Im not! i didnt' kill anyone.. i did not abort my kids.. now im being blamed for all those people i have NOTHING TO DO WITH!
the weight of the world im supposed to now carry.
this is upsetting.
i think i'll be an athiest for a couple months till the election is over so i dont have to be blamed.
i hate this whole election. i really do.
i dont know if anyone understands what im feelin.
Were you looking for some justification to ease that burden? Have you thought that perhaps that burden is there for a reason? If we don't speak up for the most vulnerable of society then who will?
Proverbs 31:8
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:06:10 PM
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It's a really simple thing, Ima.
If you vote for a person whose stated platform is that people can choose to kill off their elderly parents once they can't take care of themselves, then you're partly responsible for the elderly parents who are killed.
If you vote for a person whose stated platform is that we should kill all people who are ethnically half german and half irish, then you are partly responsible for those deaths.
If you vote for a person whose stated platform is that abortion should be funded by your tax dollars, then you are partly responsible for those abortions.
If you vote for a person who wants to repeal restrictions on abortions, then you are partly responsible for the deaths of the babies who would not have died had those restrictions not been repealed.
This is a representative government. What the person you vote for does (assuming they win) they do representing YOU. So yes, it IS partly your responsibility, especially when you know FULL WELL what they intend to do if elected.
I'm kind of fascinated, though, that you're stating you would choose to reject God (be an atheist for a while) rather than reject Obama, since apparently you actually DO believe that God would want you to vote pro-life.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:13:18 PM
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no i dont reject jesus.
ths whole thing is just making me so mad. i just probly am not able to see things the way you all see it.
it makes me mad that if im supposed to be a christian now i have to be forced into voting for someone i hate - mccain!!
so now i hate being a christian if thats what it takes.
if being a christian means voting for mccain,, that sickens me.
my apologies to Jesus.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:20:28 PM
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Nobody's said you have to vote for McCain. Everybody's just said that you have to consider what the repercussions of your vote are. If you believe that abortion is wrong, you probably shouldn't be voting for someone who is going to make it more common. This does not mean you have to vote for McCain, but it does mean that if you vote for Obama, then you are partly responsible for the ensuing abortion deaths. If you don't want to be responsible, don't vote for Obama. If you don't want to vote for McCain either, pick a third party. Write in "Mickey Mouse". But don't take on the responsibility if you don't want it.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:24:53 PM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Zhi
Nobody's said you have to vote for McCain. Everybody's just said that you have to consider what the repercussions of your vote are. If you believe that abortion is wrong, you probably shouldn't be voting for someone who is going to make it more common. This does not mean you have to vote for McCain, but it does mean that if you vote for Obama, then you are partly responsible for the ensuing abortion deaths. If you don't want to be responsible, don't vote for Obama. If you don't want to vote for McCain either, pick a third party. Write in "Mickey Mouse". But don't take on the responsibility if you don't want it.
That's true, IMA. There are a lot more than two parties on most of the ballots; maybe somebody else listed will fit you better. And if not, as Zhi said, write one in.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:33:02 PM
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i know what it is.
I have to be honest and some of you wont like it but ...
I dont have any concern for the abortion issue.
that must be it.
now im being forced to make this an issue.. when it was no issue to me.
im not doing anythin about it anyway right now. if i were intersted in this i'd be doing something to stop it now. but im not.
i just dont want to vote for someone ONLY on this one issue.
i had to take off my cute kittie avatare coz im not feeling too cute :(
im so upset right now i dont even wanna be associated with christians.
maybe im not even a christian. i thought i was until just a few minutes ago. :(
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:38:58 PM
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Well, if you don't think it's important, then I suppose that that's your decision and it's something you'll have to answer to God for.
I'm sure I have plenty of things that I'll have to answer to God for as well, but for me, personally, I've decided that helping out with the slaughter of innocent unborn babies won't be on that list.
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RE: You Vote Obama - You are now responsible for every ... - 10/3/2008 3:43:58 PM
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oh thats just great. that the whole reason for putting up this topic. now im going to hell for voting for obama.
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