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RE: For those thinking Obama Vetted - 10/22/2008 3:29:03 PM
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Here is the motion that the Federal Election Commission filed.
But the most interesting aspect of their claim is that a citizen of the United States has no standing to raise the issue of a candidate's constitutional eligibility.
Now, think about that for a second and let it sink in. What the FEC is saying that in the country whose most basic document begins with "We the People", the 'people' have no standing to ensure that the founding document is adhered to. Let that sink in.
Perhaps this is the most shocking and disturbing thing to come out of this case
Agreed. That anyone would make such an assertion is beyond rational comprehension. Dismissing the suit on those grounds would be tantamount to admitting the people no longer have any say whatsoever in their government. It would probably get the Founding Fathers spinning so fast in their graves that the sheer force of it would throw the Earth off-axis.
The other thing is, if Berg is right about the failure to answer, if that's standard legal procedure for ordinary citizens, and they give Obama a pass on it, that's another violation of the Constitution, because the law is then not being equally applied to all citizens.
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Please check out this page. Again, I am not a lawyer. But, if you go to this link and search for 'failure to respond' you will find that under Federal civil law it appears that they must respond in 30 days or their failure to respond is, in fact, an admission that the claims by the plantiff are valid.
If, fact Obama cannot produce the VAULT copy, where does that lead us? This could, potentially, get VERY nasty. I'm guessing that the democrats are counting on stonewalling and hoping for a landslide victory and then claiming that it would be a shame to overturn the 'will of the people' over a 'technicality'.
This would then set up a showdown as to whether this Nation truly is a nation of laws or not.
If this is indeed the case. then it will be THE most infamous and vile political deception in American history. If he is seated, it will be nothing less than an overthrow of our Constitutional Government. Let's hope that Obama WAS born in Hawaii and that the documents required to prove his eligibility are finally produced in a timely manor.
Again, for those that just cannot seem to get this. The document that Obama has posted, at the very best, only proves that there is a VAULT version of his Certificate of Live Birth on file in Hawaii. That alone is NOT enough to prove that he was, in fact, born on Hawaiian soil. It only demonstrates that his mother registered his birth in Hawaii. Those are NOT the same things.
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RE: For those thinking Obama Vetted - 10/22/2008 10:52:32 PM
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On the 21st, Berg filed a motion asking the court to find that the defendent's have not acted in good faith and presented any discovery evidence in a timely manor.
This is based on the fact that the court has not given the defendent's the stay that they requested.
If Berg's argument is accepted by the court then it means that Obama has, legally, admitted that he is not a natural-born citizen.
To me, it's looking more and more like the DNC is simply going to ignore the summons for discovery until after the election and then reveal their hand hoping that public sentiment will trump the Constitutional requirements. I really don't like the looks of this one and I feel that it is going to end very, very badly for the country as a whole and very, very good for those that want to leave the Constitution behind.
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RE: For those thinking Obama Vetted - 10/22/2008 11:05:51 PM
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The more I hear and read and research on this guy, the more puzzled I am that such a large amount of Americans are being duped. This guy is a real dusey and has the ability to speak with a forked tongue and the people just blindly believe in him. It's almost demonic.
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RE: For those thinking Obama Vetted - 10/23/2008 8:21:33 AM
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While there is no way to know how close we are to the return of Jesus Christ, there are some realities related to that event that are worth knowing. It does not appear that the United States plays a role in the political events of the last days. Considering our role currently, it means that the U.S. must be in a severely weakened state.
This will require that Satan somehow fool the American people into trusting their fate to the hands of leaders that bring us to our knees militarily. Obama, with the current congress given even more control, fits that description better than anyone we've ever had in the presidency in our history.
What is sad is that if only people cared enought to take a few minutes to see who greased the skids for Obama's rapid rise to power, then they would see that he is, in fact, a socialist and that every organization that is communist and socialist by name in this country supports him.
So, you are right, in my opinion.
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The more I hear and read and research on this guy, the more puzzled I am that such a large amount of Americans are being duped. This guy is a real dusey and has the ability to speak with a forked tongue and the people just blindly believe in him. It's almost demonic.
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It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/23/2008 4:09:08 PM
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If the judge rules, one of the first places you will find it is on a site by a law student that has done a great job of explaining the nuances of the petition and the manuevers. The person running the site has a space reserved for the Judges response as soo as it's delivered.
Linking seems to fail due to a server error, so here is the URL http://www.americasright.com/
Apparently, although I haven't heard it, Rush Limbaugh has finally discussed the case and, apperently, so has Saen Hannity. Agian, I have no idea what, if anything, they said. But, it was reported on the www.obamacrimes.com blog in the comments people posted.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 10:19:13 AM
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If the judge rules, one of the first places you will find it is on a site by a law student that has done a great job of explaining the nuances of the petition and the manuevers. The person running the site has a space reserved for the Judges response as soo as it's delivered.
Linking seems to fail due to a server error, so here is the URL http://www.americasright.com/
Apparently, although I haven't heard it, Rush Limbaugh has finally discussed the case and, apperently, so has Saen Hannity. Agian, I have no idea what, if anything, they said. But, it was reported on the www.obamacrimes.com blog in the comments people posted.
Again, you keep hammering at moot points. If someone questions the citizenship of any American, the only evidence required to validate citizenship includes birth certificates issued by states (done by Hawaii). Passports approved by the State Department (he has one). To prove someone has obtained those documents illegally, one must produce evidence (none is provided beyond the challenge of the birth certificate, which must be addressed to the state of Hawaii).
You are beating a dead horse unless someone can prove fraud, which, Obama could not have done as a neonate. 
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 10:34:59 AM
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No. I keep hammering at FACTS.
Please take a very careful look at the document you are relying on.
What the certification attests to is that on August 8, 1961 a mother applied for a birth certificate for her son that was born on August 4, 1961. She claimed at the time that he was born on the island of Oahu in the town of Honolulu and the registrar took her at her word.
That is all we can determine from this document. The registrar was not there at his birth. And, in fact didn't even know about the birth until 4 days later.
This computer generated document could be real. And, I will accept it as real until proven otherwise. But, it does not contain enough data to prove that Obama is, in fact, a natural-born citizen. I've pointed this out repeatedly and Obama supporters, in their blindness and devotion, fail to get it. There are two facts and two facts only that would prove that he was born in Hawaii. And, the only document that would contain those facts is called the VAULT, or original, certificate of live birth. (If the hospital retained birth records on microfilm that would also prove it. But, I doubt that they have.)
Here are the two data elements needed to prove he is a natural-born citizen.
1. The Name of the Hospital.
2. The signature of the attending physician
If these are missing, then his citizenship cannot be proven because we know his mother traveled to Kenya shortly before his birth. Since the document you are relying on does not have this critical information, then it cannot, in the final anaysis, be the final answer to the question.
But, ask yourself this question if you dare. What kind of a person is Obama if he calls himself a constitutional lawyer and can walk into the records office and could have easily picked up a copy of the vault version of his birth certificate at any time he was in Hawaii and refuses to do so. You would think that a person that had respect for his fellow American's would have wanted to put this question to rest MONTHS ago and not have a court case hanging over his head weeks before the election.
Ask yourself, what kind of a person or party refuses to respond in a timely way AS PRESCRIBED BY LAW to a lawsuit asking for a simple document to the point where they might be liable for a SUMMARY JUDGEMENT that they, in fact, are admitting the facts alledged in the lawsuit. This seems both reckless and curious to me.
Is he just toying with the American electorate or does he just feel his supporters are just too loyal, too devoted and/or too ignorant to care?
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If the judge rules, one of the first places you will find it is on a site by a law student that has done a great job of explaining the nuances of the petition and the manuevers. The person running the site has a space reserved for the Judges response as soo as it's delivered.
Linking seems to fail due to a server error, so here is the URL http://www.americasright.com/
Apparently, although I haven't heard it, Rush Limbaugh has finally discussed the case and, apperently, so has Saen Hannity. Agian, I have no idea what, if anything, they said. But, it was reported on the www.obamacrimes.com blog in the comments people posted.
Again, you keep hammering at moot points. If someone questions the citizenship of any American, the only evidence required to validate citizenship includes birth certificates issued by states (done by Hawaii). Passports approved by the State Department (he has one). To prove someone has obtained those documents illegally, one must produce evidence (none is provided beyond the challenge of the birth certificate, which must be addressed to the state of Hawaii).
You are beating a dead horse unless someone can prove fraud, which, Obama could not have done as a neonate.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 10:59:49 AM
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1. The Name of the Hospital.
2. The signature of the attending physician
If I remember correctly, the Snopes.com article on this subject points out that Hawaiian birth certificates often put these elements on the back of the certificate. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 11:36:25 AM
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A couple of observations on this:
1) If that information WAS on the back of the certificate, all the Obama people would have to do is turn it over and show us the back.
2) Fackcheck.org dis turn over the document that was presented to them and they show both front and back in the images they took in order to show the seal. The missing information was not there.
If Snopes.com felt that this was a possibility, why didn't THEY ask to see it? Could it be that they didn't WANT to know or they didn't CARE to know.
But, that brings us to another point regarding Obama's seeming distain for the citizens of the United States. One of the questions, early on, was whether or not the document had an official seal. Again, all it would have taken is to make sure that both front and back were scanned or photographed in such a way as to verify that there was a seal. And, at least that question would be put to rest. Why didn't they?
Again, are they playing with us? Or, do they arrogantly think that they don't need to respond to citizens with legitimate questions in a respectful way? What does that tell us about their character and/or their attitude toward the people they want to lead?
It could be SO EASY and he has made it SO HARD! 
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1. The Name of the Hospital.
2. The signature of the attending physician
If I remember correctly, the Snopes.com article on this subject points out that Hawaiian birth certificates often put these elements on the back of the certificate. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 11:44:04 AM
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Fackcheck.org
Are you sure you spelled that right? Because all I got was one of those ubiquitous add sites.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 12:07:06 PM
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No, I DIDN"T spell it right. It's www.FactCheck.org. Sorry.
But, I just found a web site that I think might be even more interesting to you, as it is to me.
It's a blogger that has a researcher that has found an article in a Honolulu newspaper anouncing Obama's birth. While it isn't an official document, it at least argues better for his Hawaiian birth than the document Obama and KOS posted. That's because of the system that was in place at the time for newspapers to announce births were at least partially generated from hospital lists.
But, once again, the question is why not just end all the drama and produce the VAULT copy of the birth certificate? If there is ANY possibility that what is on that certificate will precipitate a Constitutional crisis, then by all means lets have it BEFORE the election, not after.
The consequences of finding out something negative AFTER the election is absolutely unthinkable.
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Fackcheck.org
Are you sure you spelled that right? Because all I got was one of those ubiquitous add sites.
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RE: It appears that the judge may rule this week - 10/24/2008 1:09:26 PM
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No, I DIDN"T spell it right. It's www.FactCheck.org. Sorry.
But, I just found a web site that I think might be even more interesting to you, as it is to me.
It's a blogger that has a researcher that has found an article in a Honolulu newspaper anouncing Obama's birth. While it isn't an official document, it at least argues better for his Hawaiian birth than the document Obama and KOS posted. That's because of the system that was in place at the time for newspapers to announce births were at least partially generated from hospital lists.
But, once again, the question is why not just end all the drama and produce the VAULT copy of the birth certificate? If there is ANY possibility that what is on that certificate will precipitate a Constitutional crisis, then by all means lets have it BEFORE the election, not after.
The consequences of finding out something negative AFTER the election is absolutely unthinkable.
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Fackcheck.org
Are you sure you spelled that right? Because all I got was one of those ubiquitous add sites.
Actually, the "Vault Copy" would not do anything because the argument would then be that the Vault Copy was a forgery. The "Vault copy" may well simply be a photo on microfilm. The State Department (re: passports) does not recognize anything but a certified birth certificate issued by a state.
Nothing would satisfy you guys. You are convinced that the state of Hawaii, along with members of the Obama family have conspired to keep some dark secret. He is an American citizen by any measure that is applicable to you, me, or any other American. No one has produced any evidence that comes close to disputing that.
A judge could decide to supoena any records that the stae of Hawaii may have, but is unlikely to do so unless the plaintiff has a "tangible interest". No one can get (Hawaii) records for geneological purposes unless they can verify they may be related to the person(s) whose records they seek.
BTW, I do still plan on voting for Panamanian-born John McCain
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 1:51:08 PM
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OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 1:59:30 PM
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OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
STORY
He has a recording of a phone call. Yeah, try getting that into court. Now he has to prove its authenticity. But since it probably can't admitted ... it is oh, so conveeeenient.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 2:11:30 PM
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OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
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He has a recording of a phone call. Yeah, try getting that into court. Now he has to prove its authenticity. But since it probably can't admitted ... it is oh, so conveeeenient.
Actually some jurisdictions DO allow taped conversations to be allowed in evidence so long as one party knows that the conversation is being taped. As in, the beaten wife taping her husband telling her he will kill her. Technology has come along way in just the past few years, and forensic audio work is valid and solid in determining the accuracy and nature of a taped conversation. Today, all a trained person needs is the tape in question, and a exemplar tape of a voice ( in this case Sen Obama's grandmother), and that technician CAN tell us if the first tape is real. But I am wiling to bet that Sen Obama's grandma will not be allowed to speak before public for a very long time to keep her voice from being recorded, let alone freely providing her voice to prove the tape is wrong...Which it probably isnt.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 2:27:09 PM
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OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
STORY
He has a recording of a phone call. Yeah, try getting that into court. Now he has to prove its authenticity. But since it probably can't admitted ... it is oh, so conveeeenient.
Actually some jurisdictions DO allow taped conversations to be allowed in evidence so long as one party knows that the conversation is being taped. As in, the beaten wife taping her husband telling her he will kill her. Technology has come along way in just the past few years, and forensic audio work is valid and solid in determining the accuracy and nature of a taped conversation. Today, all a trained person needs is the tape in question, and a exemplar tape of a voice ( in this case Sen Obama's grandmother), and that technician CAN tell us if the first tape is real. But I am wiling to bet that Sen Obama's grandma will not be allowed to speak before public for a very long time to keep her voice from being recorded, let alone freely providing her voice to prove the tape is wrong...Which it probably isnt.
For that matter, how would Berg know it was authentic. He would have to cough up his source. It would also be conveeeenient for Berg if she passed, BTW. Then he could claim she was either hushed up or euthanized. That's the beauty of a good conspiracy theory... it always has the unprovable elements as basis.
The STEPgrandmother (they one in question) did a long interview on Al Jazeera and no mention was made of the birth.
The recording is not in English, so it must be translated. There is no transcript, yet, so how can we know what was said.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 2:46:50 PM
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This thread is NOT about conspiracy theories. It's about irrefutable documentation.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 2:48:15 PM
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This trhead is NOT about conspiracy theories. It's about irrefutable documentation.
Of which there is none.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 4:12:23 PM
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Exactly. You just made my point. So, far, there has been none. If only he could or would produce the irrefutable documentation we could end this trhead.
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This trhead is NOT about conspiracy theories. It's about irrefutable documentation.
Of which there is none.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 4:19:11 PM
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For that matter, how would Berg know it was authentic. He would have to cough up his source. It would also be conveeeenient for Berg if she passed, BTW. Then he could claim she was either hushed up or euthanized. That's the beauty of a good conspiracy theory... it always has the unprovable elements as basis.
The STEPgrandmother (they one in question) did a long interview on Al Jazeera and no mention was made of the birth.
I'm confused... if there's an interview on Al Jazeera with her doesn't that mean that whether she dies or not, there's a comparison available (specifically the aforementioned interview)?
I really don't understand why he doesn't just get the vault copy while he's in Hawaii and take care of the whole mess.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 4:27:37 PM
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HighPlainsDrifter
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I really don't understand why he doesn't just get the vault copy while he's in Hawaii and take care of the whole mess.
Yep...make all four candidates produce a valid, signed birth certificate. Well, McCain already has, so make the other three. I think Biden might be from another planet.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 6:10:02 PM
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TMeeks
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That would be a tough, tough decision if I were in charge of releasing his birth information vital statistics. Would YOU want to be the one remembered as proving that Biden came from YOUR state??? Whoaaa!!!! 
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I really don't understand why he doesn't just get the vault copy while he's in Hawaii and take care of the whole mess.
Yep...make all four candidates produce a valid, signed birth certificate. Well, McCain already has, so make the other three. I think Biden might be from another planet.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/24/2008 7:11:18 PM
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jbow
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well Tmeeks, why don't you just take your evidence and file suit?
At least two people have already dome that and they are being stonewalled by the courts and by the Obama campaign.
Google Andy Martin as well as the democrat mentioned earlier in this thread who is suing in PA.
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/24/2008 9:11:47 PM
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TMeeks
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What these people fail to understand is that it is not up to us to prove that he is NOT a natural-born citizen. It is up to him to prove that he IS. We have no access to his birth records. He does. But, it does go to show just how gullible some people are. And, how the gullible intensely dislike those who aren't as gullible.
If we liken drinking the Obama Kool-aide to being an alcoholic, it's like the alcoholic that gets angry when those on the wagon refuse to have a drink with them. When, in fact, they are drinking their life away without realizing it.
Just as being sober is better than being an alcoholic, skepticism is FAR better than being gullible when it comes to politics. 
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well Tmeeks, why don't you just take your evidence and file suit?
At least two people have already done that and they are being stonewalled by the courts and by the Obama campaign.
Google Andy Martin as well as the democrat mentioned earlier in this thread who is suing in PA.
J
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/24/2008 10:08:19 PM
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TMeeks
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I listened to the interview of Berg on the Micheal Savage Show on the internet because I saw the link on Berg's website.
One of the points he brought up that hit a nerve was the fact that the Obama's team has not attacked him publicly. That IS odd.
He points out that the Obama campaign is a well oiled machine that reacts swiftly and savagely when a problem pops up. We know, for instance, that Obama's people have called the law on people who have criticized him. So, why didn't they immediately send him a Cease & Desist letter threatening to sue him for libel? Why didn't they immediately put the claim to a lie by producing the VAULT version?
Why have they failed to respond at all to the suit in the time allotted by law under article 56 which, in effect put them in the legal position of having admitted the claims in the lawsuit?
The other thing that hit a nerve is what will the Democrats do should the judge rule against Obama in the next few days. Could it be that HILLARY will be placed in the ballot in his stead? It could happen! 
These are very interesting questions.
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