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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/24/2008 11:34:43 PM
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steph381
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OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
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Wow, I really don't know what to think. I have read all of the pages and both sides are making really good points. Here's my thoughts:
If Berg has this tape recording saying that Obama is not a citizen, why hasn't he released it? If I wanted to prove somebody was lying, I would just produce my evidence. That is the easiest way to prove that someone is a liar. What is he waiting for? The longer he waits,the more its going to look like a hoax or something forged. Especially after the Ashley Todd hoax today. Also, early voting is going on in many of the states and once people have casted their votes that's it. No changing it. If he waits to release this tape, it may not be useful.
Why isn't McCain-Palin using this birth certifcate as an angle? They have tied Obama to Ayres but I think that this angle would have been a better attack for them. I mean, they would have people questioning if Obama is a US citizen. That's a pretty big question mark. If they would have used this angle first and then tied Obama to Ayres I think they would be ahead in the polls. Americans need to know that they can trust the President.
Since McCain-Palin are not pushing this angle, I'm kind of thinking that there really may not be anything to this whole birth certificate issue.
As for Obama:
Just give the people what their asking for!!! I'm not sure why he is just doesn't give the media what they want and get this problem over with. It's getting old and Obama should put an end to this nonsense right away.
I'm suprised that he has gotten this far on a "forged" birth certifcate. You would have think somebody would have caught this by now if this true. He has a passport,isocial security number, he's in the Senate, and has a license. To get those things you would need to show your birth certificate.
I guess we will find out the truth in the next 11 days!
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/25/2008 10:30:11 AM
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TMeeks
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You make some excellent observations and good questions.
But, first, it is a mistaken notion that Obama has posted a Birth Certificate on the web. He has not, forged or real, he has posted a "Certification of Live Birth" not a "Certificate of Live Birth". It seems like a small distiction; but, from a legal point of view it is a big distinction. Most Obama people seem to fail to appreciate this fact.
McCain has to be very, very careful not to be set up by Obama. What if Obama knows that his VAULT copy DOES list the hospital and have a physician's signature and is just waiting for McCain to take the bait to produce it and loudly cry foul. It's best for McCain to simply let the existing court cases take their course and see what comes of it.
In this case, the waiting is caused by the judge that is handling the case. No one else can do anything before the judge acts. So, the time that it takes is the time that it takes. It has no bearing at all on whether or not the charges might be a hoax. Moreover, simply asking a person for documentation cannot be a HOAX. One would have to be showing a document that supposedly PROVES that he was NOT born in Hawaii, and later it turns out to be a forgery for a hoax to be connected with the lawsuit.
As I said, because no one knows exactly what is contained in Obama's original Certificate of Live Birth, there is no way for ANYONE that has not seen it to know for sure what it proves one way or another. Since John McCain CANNOT, by law, get a copy then he would be very foolish to stake anything on it going one way or the other. In that sense, he is powerless and Obama, who CAN see the document holds all the cards until he's forced, by the judge, to show them.
As for the recording, we have to remember that at best this recording would contain the grandmother bragging about being there at Obama's birth. Even if it proven that it is her and it is proven that she is saying that, it will be dismissed as simply a proud grandmother's bragging to her Kenyan neighbors and 'embellishing' the story to elevate her position. It's interesting and it will help bolster the charges that Berg is making; but, it will never be definitive for many people. And, the best effect for releasing it, seeing that it will be dismissed as bragging is to give the Obama people the shortest possible time to attack it. My strategy would be to hold it over the campaign's head hoping that they would respond to all the other, more pertinent, allegations in the lawsuit, which they have not done.
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ORIGINAL: MyCatSmokey2006
OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH!
The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.
The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.
But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.
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Wow, I really don't know what to think. I have read all of the pages and both sides are making really good points. Here's my thoughts:
If Berg has this tape recording saying that Obama is not a citizen, why hasn't he released it? If I wanted to prove somebody was lying, I would just produce my evidence. That is the easiest way to prove that someone is a liar. What is he waiting for? The longer he waits,the more its going to look like a hoax or something forged. Especially after the Ashley Todd hoax today. Also, early voting is going on in many of the states and once people have casted their votes that's it. No changing it. If he waits to release this tape, it may not be useful.
Why isn't McCain-Palin using this birth certifcate as an angle? They have tied Obama to Ayres but I think that this angle would have been a better attack for them. I mean, they would have people questioning if Obama is a US citizen. That's a pretty big question mark. If they would have used this angle first and then tied Obama to Ayres I think they would be ahead in the polls. Americans need to know that they can trust the President.
Since McCain-Palin are not pushing this angle, I'm kind of thinking that there really may not be anything to this whole birth certificate issue.
As for Obama:
Just give the people what their asking for!!! I'm not sure why he is just doesn't give the media what they want and get this problem over with. It's getting old and Obama should put an end to this nonsense right away.
I'm suprised that he has gotten this far on a "forged" birth certifcate. You would have think somebody would have caught this by now if this true. He has a passport,isocial security number, he's in the Senate, and has a license. To get those things you would need to show your birth certificate.
I guess we will find out the truth in the next 11 days!
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/25/2008 5:02:41 PM
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The case has been dismissed for lack of standing.
I find it absurd that a citizen of the United States could not have standing to demand that someone running for POTUS prove they are Constitutionally qualified. So much for government by the people.
Arnold Schwarzenegger should run for President now since apparently nobody can enforce what the Constitution requires.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/25/2008 5:23:32 PM
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Well, it was worth a try. I guess we'll just have to keep General Zod out of the Whitehouse by beating him in the election.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/25/2008 11:33:02 PM
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This will make the Obama people very happy. But, it shouldn't for the very reason that you pointed out. To say that a citizen of the United States doesn't have the standing to demand that a candidate for president show their legal qualification to be president is a bad omen for our country.
There is not a single founder of this country that would not be absolutely appalled by the very concept that citizens do not have standing to demand Constitutionally eligible leaders. We've seen this coming for many, many years. But, it is now out in the open. This now, is NOT a government of the people. It's not even a government FOR the people or BY the people. It is a government for the benevolent ruling class of professional politicians. Apparently, only THEY have standing these days.
What a shame. And, we STILL don't know if Obama is qualified under the Constitution, do we? A potential president that spits in the face of the American people. How nice.
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The case has been dismissed for lack of standing.
I find it absurd that a citizen of the United States could not have standing to demand that someone running for POTUS prove they are Constitutionally qualified. So much for government by the people.
Arnold Schwarzenegger should run for President now since apparently nobody can enforce what the Constitution requires.
-Robb
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/25/2008 11:50:55 PM
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This will make the Obama people very happy. But, it shouldn't for the very reason that you pointed out. To say that a citizen of the United States doesn't have the standing to demand that a candidate for president show their legal qualification to be president is a bad omen for our country.
There is not a single founder of this country that would not be absolutely appalled by the very concept that citizens do not have standing to demand Constitutionally eligible leaders. We've seen this coming for many, many years. But, it is now out in the open. This now, is NOT a government of the people. It's not even a government FOR the people or BY the people. It is a government for the benevolent ruling class of professional politicians. Apparently, only THEY have standing these days.
What a shame. And, we STILL don't know if Obama is qualified under the Constitution, do we? A potential president that spits in the face of the American people. How nice.
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The case has been dismissed for lack of standing.
I find it absurd that a citizen of the United States could not have standing to demand that someone running for POTUS prove they are Constitutionally qualified. So much for government by the people.
Arnold Schwarzenegger should run for President now since apparently nobody can enforce what the Constitution requires.
-Robb
If Obama wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be president the FBI/CIA/NSA/SECRET SERVICE would have already been all over him. He wouldn't have even been allowed to announce his candidacy for the umpteenth. Candidates go through rigorous background checks. If there was something there they would've found it. If I was running for office I wouldn't want the world to see my birth certificate either, that's pretty personal information. So, I guess you would show yours to the world? Yes/No
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 12:11:58 AM
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I've had to show mine quite a few times. One such time was for clearance at the Justice Department, for instance, to work on a RICO case.
You don't seem to know the limitations of our policing organizations at all by the look of your list.
Can you prove to me that "Candidates go through rigorous background checks." as you claim?
Can you prove that a single person has actually seen the vault copy of his birth certificate... the one with the physician's signature and the name of the hospital? No, you can't. You have absolutely NO idea. You just THINK you know. You GUESS you know. But, unfortunately, you do NOT ACTUALLY know... because you CAN'T know because you have never seen that document nor have you heard one single person, including Obama or anyone else that has seen that document.
I can tell you this. This is nothing in my birth certificate that would preclude me from presenting it PROUDLY to the American people as proof that I was a natural-born citizen if I were running for the job of leading them. I would consider it my DUTY to them to allow them to rest assured that I was, in fact, in compliance with the greatest Constitution on the face of earth. If your 'privacy' trumped the people's right to know that you did indeed qualify, then I would hope that the people would send you and your privacy back to the political minor leagues.
It now goes to the Supreme Court of the United States.
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If Obama wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be president the FBI/CIA/NSA/SECRET SERVICE would have already been all over him. He wouldn't have even been allowed to announce his candidacy for the umpteenth. Candidates go through rigorous background checks. If there was something there they would've found it. If I was running for office I wouldn't want the world to see my birth certificate either, that's pretty personal information. So, I guess you would show yours to the world? Yes/No
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 12:50:42 AM
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If Obama wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be president the FBI/CIA/NSA/SECRET SERVICE would have already been all over him. He wouldn't have even been allowed to announce his candidacy for the umpteenth. Candidates go through rigorous background checks. If there was something there they would've found it.
You seem to be simply assuming that. I don't blame you because it makes sense. But from what I can tell from researching it online, there is no actual requirement at any stage for someone to actually prove they meet the Constitutional qualifications. The FEC paperwork doesn't require it, none of the ballot access laws for states that I've been able to find require it. (Some do mention the Constitutional stipulations but have no provision for verifying them; there is no requirement to produce proof.)
As astonishing as it seems, it appears our system simply relies on the candidates being honest about meeting the Constitutional requirements. That seems incredibly foolhardy given that politicians are generally regarded as some of the least honest critters to inhabit the planet. (And Senator Obama's - and Senator Biden's - flagrant dishonesty is well-documented in this election cycle.)
-Robb
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 4:14:19 AM
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Phillip J. Berg is a 9/11 'truther':
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"It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. "
Berg continued there is overwhelming evidence that:
"Bush and his cronies made 9/11 happen or let it happen. And, if they let it happen, then they made it happen. Either way, they are responsible; and more important, they have completely and unequivocally covered-it-up!"
Funny how conspiracy theorists attract. 
And it's strange isn't it that Berg has chosen to attack Obama's grandmother, who is too sick to refute his charges. Shameless, shameful, disgusting.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 7:17:31 AM
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I think you may have the wrong grandmother. Ya gotta keep up! 
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Phillip J. Berg is a 9/11 'truther':
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"It is time for the nations of the world to come forth and take the leadership because of the failure of the United States Government and the States where crimes were committed on 09/11/01, where no thorough investigation and indictments occurred, to investigate, arrest and prosecute the people responsible for the murders on 9/11/01, specifically including George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. "
Berg continued there is overwhelming evidence that:
"Bush and his cronies made 9/11 happen or let it happen. And, if they let it happen, then they made it happen. Either way, they are responsible; and more important, they have completely and unequivocally covered-it-up!"
Funny how conspiracy theorists attract.
And it's strange isn't it that Berg has chosen to attack Obama's grandmother, who is too sick to refute his charges. Shameless, shameful, disgusting.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 7:28:16 AM
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Colonel or no Colonel, it is illegal for some of the agencies that you mentioned to investigate a U. S. Citizen.
Of course your son had to get a background check to join the Special Forces. And, he was forced to show his birth certificate or allow them to find his birth certificate in all probability. And, it may even be that one of the agencies, most likely the FBI, has researched his birth certificate. But, the difference between your son and a presidential candidate is that none of these agencies, UNDER THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE BRANCH, would want to EVER be accused of influencing an election.
Can you imagine the outcry from Obama supporters, like yourself, if someone in "Bush's government" brought out information that denied Obama the presidency? On the one hand you rely on them to vet him and on the other you'd probably crucify them if they turned him down. Get real!!!
That is the reason that OTHER means must be found to ensure that the person that sits in the office of president is FULLY qualified, in EVERY aspect, to do so.
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My ex is a Colonel at the Pentagon and his girlfriend is a Secret Service Agent who recently got off the Presidential Detail. I know if they tell me a background check was done, it was done. All of the government agencies I listed would've done a check to ensure whoever gets into office is not a national threat and to clear them to view "Top Secret" and classified material. You know they just don't want to show that kind of stuff to any "Joe six-pack" or is it "plumber", you know what I mean.  Claiming a background check wasn't done, especially on a candidate for the Presidency, is saying our government agencies aren't doing their job protecting us from potential threats.  That's "extremely" paranoid thinking that shows how ignorant and fearful some people are.  My own Son had to get a background check to join the Special Forces
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 7:38:18 AM
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The is the most amazing part about this whole thing. It truly is one of those "The Emperor's New Clothes" kind of stories. Except, in this instance, the boy who has the nerve to shout out "The Emperor is naked!" is simply told he has no standing!!!!
And, those that people are counting on to do the vetting, who could confirm or deny, are hamstrung by privacy laws and politics. The whole thing is bizarre!
It not about trying to prove that he does NOT qualify. It's simply asking him to definitively prove that he DOES qualify. That doesn't seem all that difficult to me. So, it's a complete puzzle as to why he either cannot or simply will not.
But, suppose he has been vetted by either the military or the FBI and it was found that he has no proof he was born in Hawaii. Then what. On the one hand they are sworn to uphold the Constitution and on the other hand their political attachment to the Executive branch makes revealing it a lethal timebomb. It would be a horrible position to be in.
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You seem to be simply assuming that. I don't blame you because it makes sense. But from what I can tell from researching it online, there is no actual requirement at any stage for someone to actually prove they meet the Constitutional qualifications. The FEC paperwork doesn't require it, none of the ballot access laws for states that I've been able to find require it. (Some do mention the Constitutional stipulations but have no provision for verifying them; there is no requirement to produce proof.)
As astonishing as it seems, it appears our system simply relies on the candidates being honest about meeting the Constitutional requirements. That seems incredibly foolhardy given that politicians are generally regarded as some of the least honest critters to inhabit the planet. (And Senator Obama's - and Senator Biden's - flagrant dishonesty is well-documented in this election cycle.)
-Robb
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 10:20:39 AM
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Whatever Obama's supposed to be in Hawaii for, he sure doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get there.
And wouldn't this be the same "typical white" grandmother that he threw under the bus when the Jeremiah Wright story broke?
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 11:54:41 AM
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Colonel or no Colonel, it is illegal for some of the agencies that you mentioned to investigate a U. S. Citizen.
You know that's hogwash, for all you know any one of those agencies could have a file on you.
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Of course your son had to get a background check to join the Special Forces. And, he was forced to show his birth certificate or allow them to find his birth certificate in all probability. And, it may even be that one of the agencies, most likely the FBI, has researched his birth certificate. But, the difference between your son and a presidential candidate is that none of these agencies, UNDER THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE BRANCH, would want to EVER be accused of influencing an election.
So, you think they would do a background check on my son and not the next potential President, yeah right. Exactly, how would they be influencing the election if they did their background check before either Presidential candidate announced their bid for office?
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Can you imagine the outcry from Obama supporters, like yourself, if someone in "Bush's government" brought out information that denied Obama the presidency? On the one hand you rely on them to vet him and on the other you'd probably crucify them if they turned him down. Get real!!!
That is the reason that OTHER means must be found to ensure that the person that sits in the office of president is FULLY qualified, in EVERY aspect, to do so.
I'm not a Obama supporter for one thing. I just call things as I see them. This country use to be well respected, but with people like you promoting fear and paranoia I wonder if it ever will be again.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 2:12:09 PM
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I have been interviewed by DoD personnel who were investigating former students for the purpose of obtaining security clearances. Based on the questions they asked and what is public knowledge about Obama, I have real doubts he would pass such an investigation.
I googled some on this topic but couldn't come up with anything more credible than blogs either way.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 2:38:03 PM
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I have been interviewed by DoD personnel who were investigating former students for the purpose of obtaining security clearances. Based on the questions they asked and what is public knowledge about Obama, I have real doubts he would pass such an investigation.
I googled some on this topic but couldn't come up with anything more credible than blogs either way.
-Robb
If he hadn't passed he would not be in the race for the Presidency. No one here knows what his real background is like except for what's being said on the blogs and in the media and we know there's a lot of embellishment there. So how can you doubt he would pass?
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 2:58:19 PM
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I have been interviewed by DoD personnel who were investigating former students for the purpose of obtaining security clearances. Based on the questions they asked and what is public knowledge about Obama, I have real doubts he would pass such an investigation.
I googled some on this topic but couldn't come up with anything more credible than blogs either way.
-Robb
If he hadn't passed he would not be in the race for the Presidency. No one here knows what his real background is like except for what's being said on the blogs and in the media and we know there's a lot of embellishment there. So how can you doubt he would pass?
Admitted drug use, association with those who advocate violent overthrow of the government, and fundamental dishonesty. All questions I was asked about my students. In their case, I was able to answer no to all of them. Obama could not. (Ok, I'll admit the drug use was a long time ago in his case, so they'd probably not care about that.)
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RE: Questioning Obama's citizenship Part II - 10/26/2008 3:12:16 PM
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All this about Obama's citizenship is intensively speculative and would raise little concern among those whose job it is to deal with such issues.
On the less speculative front, The Constitution forbids a state's electors from voting for candidates for president and vice president who are both "an inhabitant of the same state as themselves." Yet by voting for Bush and Cheney, electors in Texas did precisely that. Cheney lived in Texas, had a Texas driver's license and filed his federal income tax using a Texas address. He had also voted in Texas, not in Wyoming, a state where he had not lived full-time for decades.
Deal with that first since it is a current priority
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 3:27:22 PM
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I have been interviewed by DoD personnel who were investigating former students for the purpose of obtaining security clearances. Based on the questions they asked and what is public knowledge about Obama, I have real doubts he would pass such an investigation.
I googled some on this topic but couldn't come up with anything more credible than blogs either way.
-Robb
If he hadn't passed he would not be in the race for the Presidency. No one here knows what his real background is like except for what's being said on the blogs and in the media and we know there's a lot of embellishment there. So how can you doubt he would pass?
Admitted drug use, association with those who advocate violent overthrow of the government, and fundamental dishonesty. All questions I was asked about my students. In their case, I was able to answer no to all of them. Obama could not. (Ok, I'll admit the drug use was a long time ago in his case, so they'd probably not care about that.)
-Robb
Beg, pardon, but Bush used drugs and is a re-covering alcoholic. There probably are very few people who haven't used or tried drugs at least once in their lifetimes. Can you tell me how deep his association with Ayers really goes? Have they conspired to overthrow the government together? I am sure all of his associations have been looked into.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 5:42:45 PM
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Beg, pardon, but Bush used drugs and is a re-covering alcoholic. There probably are very few people who haven't used or tried drugs at least once in their lifetimes.
Actually, that just bolsters my point that there is no law enforcement or other government agency vetting of candidates. As I said in another post, I looked into what it takes to run for President. Granted it was not an exhaustive investigation, but aside from finding no requirement to prove Constitutional qualifications, there was also no mention whatsoever of having to pass any sort of background checks. Zero.
It is typically the media that digs into every nook and cranny of candidates' backgrounds and puts the information out there for all to see whether or not the people trust the candidate enough to vote for him/her. However this time they have decided to turn a blind eye to Obama's past and are not doing their job. So, we have an apparently completely un-vetted candidate about to be elected to the Presidency. Wonderful.
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Can you tell me how deep his association with Ayers really goes? Have they conspired to overthrow the government together? I am sure all of his associations have been looked into.
And I am doubtful that is the case. I do not know the full extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers, but they have worked together extensively on various boards, appeared in public together, Obama endorsed his book, launched his political career in Ayers' home, and lied about his relationship to minimize the connection. That's an awful lot to simply dismiss.
It may be the Secret Service has done some research on Senator Obama, but their goal would be to identify possible threats to him or his family in order to properly protect him. It would seem to me that would be a very different sort of background check than for a security clearance.
-Robb
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 6:19:25 PM
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Beg, pardon, but Bush used drugs and is a re-covering alcoholic. There probably are very few people who haven't used or tried drugs at least once in their lifetimes.
Actually, that just bolsters my point that there is no law enforcement or other government agency vetting of candidates. As I said in another post, I looked into what it takes to run for President. Granted it was not an exhaustive investigation, but aside from finding no requirement to prove Constitutional qualifications, there was also no mention whatsoever of having to pass any sort of background checks. Zero.
It is typically the media that digs into every nook and cranny of candidates' backgrounds and puts the information out there for all to see whether or not the people trust the candidate enough to vote for him/her. However this time they have decided to turn a blind eye to Obama's past and are not doing their job. So, we have an apparently completely un-vetted candidate about to be elected to the Presidency. Wonderful.
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Can you tell me how deep his association with Ayers really goes? Have they conspired to overthrow the government together? I am sure all of his associations have been looked into.
And I am doubtful that is the case. I do not know the full extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers, but they have worked together extensively on various boards, appeared in public together, Obama endorsed his book, launched his political career in Ayers' home, and lied about his relationship to minimize the connection. That's an awful lot to simply dismiss.
It may be the Secret Service has done some research on Senator Obama, but their goal would be to identify possible threats to him or his family in order to properly protect him. It would seem to me that would be a very different sort of background check than for a security clearance.
-Robb
ok I'm done here. You go right on believing your conspiracy theories.
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 6:40:07 PM
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ok I'm done here. You go right on believing your conspiracy theories.
You contended that candidates must go through rigorous background checks by government agencies. I found no supporting evidence for this in the requirements to run for President. I also related my personal experience with the security clearance process and contrasted it with what is publicly known about Obama. How is any of that a conspiracy theory?
-Robb
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RE: OBAMA'S GRANDMA CONFIRMS KENYAN BIRTH! - 10/26/2008 7:41:43 PM
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