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If Obama is "palling around with terrorists" ... - 10/8/2008 1:15:43 PM
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Longfingers1
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There's an 10 plus page all about how Obama is supposedly "palling around with terrorists" according to the McCain and Palin camp? Well if Obama's association with this domestic terriorist is an issue and should be relevant as many of you here think, should Palin's association with Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party be fair game as well? The public has yet to hear from her about her ties to that man and that group? It would seem to me that people would like to know how now she's running with a slogan about putting country first when the group her husband was apart of wanted nothing to do with the United States of America, they wanted to be their own country.
Don't some of you think if, we're going to play this guilt-by-association game, and if people from one side of the party lines are saying we need to know about Obama's associations because he hasn't divulged much information about it, don't you think that it's only fair it goes both ways?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:18:52 PM
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There's an 10 plus page all about how Obama is supposedly "palling around with terrorists" according to the McCain and Palin camp? Well if Obama's association with this domestic terriorist is an issue and should be relevant as many of you here think, should Palin's association with Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party be fair game as well? The public has yet to hear from her about her ties to that man and that group? It would seem to me that people would like to know how now she's running with a slogan about putting country first when the group her husband was apart of wanted nothing to do with the United States of America, they wanted to be their own country.
Don't some of you think if, we're going to play this guilt-by-association game, and if people from one side of the party lines are saying we need to know about Obama's associations because he hasn't divulged much information about it, don't you think that it's only fair it goes both ways?
How is this a terrorist group?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:22:17 PM
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wow, I had no idea Joe Vogler or anybody he was associated with blew up government buildings.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:23:48 PM
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Joe Vogler has blown up government buildings?
Can someone please cite some sources for this, thank you.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:25:20 PM
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Joe Vogler has blown up government buildings?
Can someone please cite some sources for this, thank you.
Well, according to libs, all conservatives & Republicans are technically "terrorists".
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:29:28 PM
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Well looking at many of the remarks in the other thread, beng that Obama was "associated" with Ayers, many called Obama unpatriotic. If his loose association with Ayers makes the assumption that palling with someone who is against America questions his patriotism, wouldn't it be fair to make the same fair assessment of Palin? I think it's a fair thing to ask beng being associated wth someone who hates America even though they weren't involved in the act themselves makes them unpatriotic.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:32:53 PM
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The debate is not whether anyone blew up any buildings. Obama is being labeled as anti-america from his association with Ayers who as some argue is anti-america. Thus, guilt by association. The OP is drawing the similarity with Palin being associated with someone who is also labeled as anti-american. Thus, through guilt by association, making Palin anti-american. Who bombed what is not the issue. If we DO make that distinction, neither Obama nor Palin bombed anything. Therefore in this case they both should not be labeled anti-american. Correct?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:34:20 PM
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Well looking at many of the remarks in the other thread, beng that Obama was "associated" with Ayers, many called Obama unpatriotic. If his loose association with Ayers makes the assumption that palling with someone who is against America questions his patriotism, wouldn't it be fair to make the same fair assessment of Palin? I think it's a fair thing to ask beng being associated wth someone who hates America even though they weren't involved in the act themselves makes them unpatriotic.
Again, you premised that the group in question was a terorist group; do you have evidence of this or not? If not, your premise is in error.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:35:29 PM
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The debate is not whether anyone blew up any buildings. Obama is being labeled as anti-america from his association with Ayers who as some argue is anti-america. Thus, guilt by association. The OP is drawing the similarity with Palin being associated with someone who is also labeled as anti-american. Thus, through guilt by association, making Palin anti-american. Who bombed what is not the issue. If we DO make that distinction, neither Obama nor Palin bombed anything. Therefore in this case they both should not be labeled anti-american. Correct?
Well, no, we are talking about blowing up buildings; that is what Ayers did. Again, I can't believe you are actually reading the posts.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:39:34 PM
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The debate is not whether anyone blew up any buildings. Obama is being labeled as anti-america from his association with Ayers who as some argue is anti-america. Thus, guilt by association. The OP is drawing the similarity with Palin being associated with someone who is also labeled as anti-american. Thus, through guilt by association, making Palin anti-american. Who bombed what is not the issue. If we DO make that distinction, neither Obama nor Palin bombed anything. Therefore in this case they both should not be labeled anti-american. Correct?
Correct, thus the point I'm trying to point out, and I think a few others have tried to point out as well, that this whole guilt-by-association holds no grounds.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:44:17 PM
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Nobody is saying Obama is guilty of anything, merely questioning his judgment. I don't know of anybody who would willingly sit on a board with or begin a political campaign in the house of, an admitted terrorist.
We're known by the company we keep, and Barack Obama keeps some mighty strange folks in his circle of friends (at least until political expediency requires that he drop them like a hot potato...)
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 1:59:50 PM
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Nobody is saying Obama is guilty of anything, merely questioning his judgment. I don't know of anybody who would willingly sit on a board with or begin a political campaign in the house of, an admitted terrorist.
We're known by the company we keep, and Barack Obama keeps some mighty strange folks in his circle of friends (at least until political expediency requires that he drop them like a hot potato...)
It is up to you to prove whether or not Obama actually knew Ayers was a terrorist when he met him. Anything else is speculation. Now it is personal opinion whether Obama was lying or not. Personally, I don't know who walks around with a button that says "Beware, I'm a terrorist." Especially if you're trying to put that past behind you. People seem to be pretty unreasonable on this issue. Who knows who they are working with? We could be working with ex-klansmen, ex-communists, ex-rapists, etc. I'l say again, who is going to do a background check on everyone they meet or sit on a board with,etc. That's silly. It doesn't mean you have bad judgment. Especially if you have no substantial personal ties. Some people want to make connections that aren't there. People are taking an acquaintanceship and turning into a deep friendship to where Obama is assumed to even be sympathetic to Ayers' past causes. Really? I worked at Fannie Mae and had lunch with the CEO. Does that mean I'm responsible for the housing crises? Does that mean I was involved in the decision making that ran the economy in the ground? Nope. Does that mean I had bad judgment when I requested a meeting with CEO? Guilt by association doesn't even hold up in court. Why should it carry any weight now?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:01:24 PM
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When you look at all of his associations, friends, mentors, etc there is a pattern. Some people just refuse to look objectively at what is obvious.
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Palin's Pals - 10/8/2008 2:02:24 PM
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From Wikipedia....
[Joe] Vogler also ran for governor in 1982 and 1986. Several incidents during these campaigns raised his profile as a "colorful character." In the 1982 race, Vogler was taken to task for comments made during a debate. The issue of moving Alaska's capital appeared during the election, as it has on and off since 1960. The media and political pundits took great fun over Vogler's debate remarks that Alaska should "nuke the glaciers" along the coast of the Gulf of Alaska and build a freeway to Juneau. Vogler would later contend that what he said was misinterpreted.
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"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her d**ned institutions."
Joe Vogler
Ideologically, the Alaskan Independance Party (AIP) is considered to be a hybrid of conservative Republicanism, populism and libertarianism. Among the issues advocated by the party: the direct popular election of the state attorney general and all judges, the right to keep and bear arms, the privatization of government services, the right to home schooling by parents, and a constitutional amendment to ban property taxes. The AIP, following Vogler's infamous confrontations with officials from the National Park Service and the Environmental Protection Agency, remains steadfastly opposed to environmental regulations and actively promotes the private ownership and widespread development of Alaskan land.
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Sarah Palin's address (and support) to the Alaska Independence Party convention this year...
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Would one not call wanting to "nuke the glaciers" a terrorist threat? 
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:04:03 PM
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It is up to you to prove whether or not Obama actually knew Ayers was a terrorist when he met him.
Ah, the 'Obama is stupid' argument again.
Well, if he is so stupid that he didn't know after a decade of working with the man that he was a well known leftist terrorist in the 1970's, even though the Chicago paper reported it repeatedly, then he shouldn't be President.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:05:01 PM
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It is up to you to prove whether or not Obama actually knew Ayers was a terrorist when he met him.
Are you really going to try to claim he was ignorant of Ayres background? How could he be that willfully ignorant, and yet be the best choice for chief executive? We've already been asked to swallow the whopper that he had no idea what was going on in a church he attended for 20 years.
Heck, I'm nearly the same age as The One and I read about Ayres in HS. It's not like he came out of the closet as the mad bomber one day last week.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:06:17 PM
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Would one not call wanting to "nuke the glaciers" a terrorist threat?
No, of course not; glaciers are evil.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:07:42 PM
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Would one not call wanting to "nuke the glaciers" a terrorist threat?
No, of course not; glaciers are evil.
And with the worldwide water crisis...
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:08:42 PM
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It is up to you to prove whether or not Obama actually knew Ayers was a terrorist when he met him.
Surely you are not that naive. William Ayres is a known terrorist to those living in the United States ... and he lives in Chicago ... the same city, in fact the same neighborhood as Obama, who is by all accounts both smart and savvy. If you had a world renown terrorist living down the street for years and years ... given that this particular fellow attracts a lot of media attention, especially local media, I'm pretty sure, especially if you read the local and national news, you would be aware of the man's past. And if you didn't, you are too naive to be my President.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:10:15 PM
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And with the worldwide water crisis...
Yeah, and if it were irradiated by nukes, it would be free of dangerous microorganisms. This guy is a genius!
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:10:16 PM
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I am not aware of anyone who works or lives on a glacier. Also, Volger said "nuke the glaciers", but is there not any evidence that he actually did it. Ayers confessed to bombing the pentagon where thousands of people work.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:15:29 PM
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Sarah Palin's address (and support) to the Alaska Independence Party convention this year...
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Would one not call wanting to "nuke the glaciers" a terrorist threat?
So her addressing the Party Convention as their Governor and telling them about her vision for the state, which incidentally had nothing to do with the bombing of glaciers, means she supports their agenda? What a silly argument ... she had an opportunity to get her face in front of many of her constituents as their Governor to bring them HER vision to chew on while attending their convention.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:16:23 PM
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Before posting something, you MIGHT make the effort to actually find out what you are talking about. Otherwise, all one does is show their ignorance. So, let me help you out.
Here is the party platform for the Alaskan Independence Party. Which part of that platform comes even close to being terrorist in nature? I'm sure you can tell us.
Oh, and America HAS heard about her ties to that group. She never belonged and was never a member.
I do wish that the leftist lemmings would not try to insult our intelligence because it ALWAYS comes back to showing how shallow they are. In fact, I'm betting that you will avoid looking up their platform even though I provided a link.
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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
There's an 10 plus page all about how Obama is supposedly "palling around with terrorists" according to the McCain and Palin camp? Well if Obama's association with this domestic terriorist is an issue and should be relevant as many of you here think, should Palin's association with Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party be fair game as well? The public has yet to hear from her about her ties to that man and that group? It would seem to me that people would like to know how now she's running with a slogan about putting country first when the group her husband was apart of wanted nothing to do with the United States of America, they wanted to be their own country.
Don't some of you think if, we're going to play this guilt-by-association game, and if people from one side of the party lines are saying we need to know about Obama's associations because he hasn't divulged much information about it, don't you think that it's only fair it goes both ways?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:24:16 PM
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Before posting something, you MIGHT make the effort to actually find out what you are talking about. Otherwise, all one does is show their ignorance. So, let me help you out.
Here is the party platform for the Alaskan Independence Party. Which part of that platform comes even close to being terrorist in nature? I'm sure you can tell us.
Oh, and America HAS heard about her ties to that group. She never belonged and was never a member.
I do wish that the leftist lemmings would not try to insult our intelligence because it ALWAYS comes back to showing how shallow they are. In fact, I'm betting that you will avoid looking up their platform even though I provided a link.
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ORIGINAL: Longfingers1
There's an 10 plus page all about how Obama is supposedly "palling around with terrorists" according to the McCain and Palin camp? Well if Obama's association with this domestic terriorist is an issue and should be relevant as many of you here think, should Palin's association with Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party be fair game as well? The public has yet to hear from her about her ties to that man and that group? It would seem to me that people would like to know how now she's running with a slogan about putting country first when the group her husband was apart of wanted nothing to do with the United States of America, they wanted to be their own country.
Don't some of you think if, we're going to play this guilt-by-association game, and if people from one side of the party lines are saying we need to know about Obama's associations because he hasn't divulged much information about it, don't you think that it's only fair it goes both ways?
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Insulting YOUR intelligence? lol Mine was insulted more than once. As a matter of fact, I'm starting to run out of fingers to count with. That road goes both ways.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/8/2008 2:26:06 PM
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Absolutely NOT correct.
No intelligent person could spend 10 minutes with Bill Ayers or Bernadette Dorhn without it being very clear who they were and what they stand for. It is their LIFE. It IS who they are. It is their total reason for being. And, frankly, Berndette Dorhn is worse than her husband. I don't think a sane person could spend 3 minutes with her without her making her radicalism front and center in the conversation.
Obama is being labeled as a man with very poor judgement. And, his CONTINUED association with Ayers and Dorhn over a LONG span of time at a very close community organizing way, proves it.
This kind of tit-for-tat played by Obama's supporters is pure nonsense by people with equally poor judgement that cannot seem to break through the fog of their biases to recognize the truth.
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The debate is not whether anyone blew up any buildings. Obama is being labeled as anti-america from his association with Ayers who as some argue is anti-america. Thus, guilt by association. The OP is drawing the similarity with Palin being associated with someone who is also labeled as anti-american. Thus, through guilt by association, making Palin anti-american. Who bombed what is not the issue. If we DO make that distinction, neither Obama nor Palin bombed anything. Therefore in this case they both should not be labeled anti-american. Correct?
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