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Michelle Obama spoke very fondly of Ayers last night on Larry King.

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ORIGINAL: earthless

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

Michelle Obama spoke very fondly of Ayers last night on Larry King.

Not shocking. What bothers me is that the average American has no clue all of the skeletons in Obama's closet.

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Michelle Obama spoke very fondly of Ayers last night on Larry King.

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ORIGINAL: Evangel70

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Michelle Obama spoke very fondly of Ayers last night on Larry King.

That is completely false. Michelle didn't say ANYTHING fondly about Bill Ayers. Unless you consider the fact that she said she knows him "fondly".

Here are Michelle exact words...

Michelle on Bill Ayers

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Produce me his lesson plans and his class notes where he does this? Also, please, provide me with the lesson plans of the teachers that benefited from the foundations. I want to see evidence that these schools have been transformed into terrorist camps. Give me one single proff that children are being taught to be anti-american. Just one.

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For you to try to obfuscate or minimize the fact that an unrepentant terrorist bomber and marxist propogandist/educator is an associate of a candidate for President of the United States is ridiculous.

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After allegations surfaced in early summer over the ‘New Party’s’ endorsement of Obama, the Obama campaign along with the remnants of the New Party and Democratic Socialists of America claimed that Obama was never a member of either organization. The DSA and ‘New Party’ then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA’s New Party.

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party’s website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party’s website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.

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Produce me his lesson plans and his class notes where he does this? Also, please, provide me with the lesson plans of the teachers that benefited from the foundations. I want to see evidence that these schools have been transformed into terrorist camps. Give me one single proff that children are being taught to be anti-american. Just one.

Where did I say schools were being turned into 'terrorist camps'? Where? This is the type of word twisting the left uses to distract from the point, especially if the point is accurate and they can't refute it. To back up my contention that Ayers' educational philosophy is radically leftist, I point you to his website, where his course syllabi are listed. They contain any number of marxist/socialist readings, required and suggested.
http://billayers.wordpress.com/teaching/
You don't even have to look closely to see the red star unfurling at the top of the page.
For you to try to obfuscate or minimize the fact that an unrepentant terrorist bomber and marxist propogandist/educator is an associate of a candidate for President of the United States is ridiculous.

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I've looked at the site. I do not see any syllabi. I see writings, books, education policy stuff, etc. I don't have time to read all of that. If you have, please provide direct links to the paragraphs so we don't have to read an entire site looking for what you found. Thanks.

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I've looked at the site. I do not see any syllabi. I see writings, books, education policy stuff, etc. I don't have time to read all of that. If you have, please provide direct links to the paragraphs so we don't have to read an entire site looking for what you found. Thanks.

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On another thread a liberal was going to enlighten us then confessed to not knowing the socialist history. If you don't take the time to learn for yourself then how can you honestly make an informed decision?

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I've looked at the site. I do not see any syllabi. I see writings, books, education policy stuff, etc. I don't have time to read all of that. If you have, please provide direct links to the paragraphs so we don't have to read an entire site looking for what you found. Thanks.

That is the problem. People are not taking the time to find out just what 0bama believes. On another thread a liberal was going to enlighten us then confessed to not knowing the socialist history. If you don't take the time to learn for yourself then how can you honestly make an informed decision?

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Michelle Obama spoke very fondly of Ayers last night on Larry King.

That is completely false. Michelle didn't say ANYTHING fondly about Bill Ayers. Unless you consider the fact that she said she knows him "fondly".

Here are Michelle exact words...

Michelle on Bill Ayers

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I don't know all of the facts but I havn't seen much to damage Obama on. But you can't compare someone who wants to peacefully seperate from our country to someone who wants to cause harm to others because of their views. If you had a friend who who actually wanted to seperate from our country in a peaceful way - that wouldn't put up near the red flags as if that friend wanted to harm others.

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My point: Obama's associations might be a sign of his judgment but I don't think they mean he is a terrorist. However, I think the double standard goes the other way that what you are stating.

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If Palin or McCain had associates who were terrorists (not people who are overly negative about your country) then they would be long gone.

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I don't agree his sitting on the same board with Ayers was in bad judgement, there were people from both parties that worked on that board.

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Before posting something, you MIGHT make the effort to actually find out what you are talking about. Otherwise, all one does is show their ignorance. So, let me help you out.

Here is the party platform for the Alaskan Independence Party. Which part of that platform comes even close to being terrorist in nature? I'm sure you can tell us.

Oh, and America HAS heard about her ties to that group. She never belonged and was never a member.

I do wish that the leftist lemmings would not try to insult our intelligence because it ALWAYS comes back to showing how shallow they are. In fact, I'm betting that you will avoid looking up their platform even though I provided a link.

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There's an 10 plus page all about how Obama is supposedly "palling around with terrorists" according to the McCain and Palin camp? Well if Obama's association with this domestic terriorist is an issue and should be relevant as many of you here think, should Palin's association with Joe Vogler and the Alaskan Independence Party be fair game as well? The public has yet to hear from her about her ties to that man and that group? It would seem to me that people would like to know how now she's running with a slogan about putting country first when the group her husband was apart of wanted nothing to do with the United States of America, they wanted to be their own country.

Don't some of you think if, we're going to play this guilt-by-association game, and if people from one side of the party lines are saying we need to know about Obama's associations because he hasn't divulged much information about it, don't you think that it's only fair it goes both ways?

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Alaskan Independence Party

OTOH, Obama was actually a card carrying member of the Weatherman. He helped them plant them bombs when he was 8.

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On another thread a liberal was going to enlighten us then confessed to not knowing the socialist history. If you don't take the time to learn for yourself then how can you honestly make an informed decision?

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On another thread a liberal was going to enlighten us then confessed to not knowing the socialist history. If you don't take the time to learn for yourself then how can you honestly make an informed decision?

Hi StephK, that was me. I never said I was going to enlighten anyone on socialist history or anything else. I said I would answer any questions people had about my beliefs as a liberal. Contrary to what some people here seem to believe, being a liberal does not mean the same thing as being a socialist. And according to your quote, if you're a socialist, you're a communist. So if you think that being a liberal means being a socialist, you might as well come right out and call all liberals communists.

Steph, I was being honest. I *don't* know socialist history. Not very well. I have a very rudimentary understanding of socialist principles. I invited you and others to tell me more about socialism, and one person took me up on it. I responded to him. I have my doubts as to whether you truly understand socialism if you really believe that it's the same thing as communism. Because I can tell you this much: it's not. Britain, France, Denmark -- they are not communist countries. So, please take the time to learn the difference yourself before you start throwing stones.