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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/11/2008 8:47:00 PM
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Longfingers1
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It's an absurd connection.
And this guilt-by association game isn't? 
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/11/2008 8:48:52 PM
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Jhud
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And this guilt-by association game isn't?
I don't think lefties really know what association means. If I give someone 50 million dollars to do something, that person isn't just an 'associate'.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/13/2008 7:43:32 PM
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And this guilt-by association game isn't?
I don't think lefties really know what association means. If I give someone 50 million dollars to do something, that person isn't just an 'associate'.
Same could be said of the right... I'm mean just look at McCain's assoiciations and yet many on the right refuse to acknowledge it... umm...
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/14/2008 11:01:32 AM
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Longfingers1
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Wow, really no one who supports McCain wants to touch on this?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/14/2008 11:33:00 AM
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And this guilt-by association game isn't?
I don't think lefties really know what association means. If I give someone 50 million dollars to do something, that person isn't just an 'associate'.
So, Obama is more than just an associate with the Annenberg Foundation? Because they are the ones who ponied up the dough. If that's what you meant, then I would say yes. He was asked to be chairman of the board.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/14/2008 1:42:38 PM
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Same could be said of the right... I'm mean just look at McCain's assoiciations and yet many on the right refuse to acknowledge it... umm...
McCain isn't associating with terrorists, nor is he giving millions of dollars to the associates you don't like.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/14/2008 1:57:34 PM
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So, Obama is more than just an associate with the Annenberg Foundation? Because they are the ones who ponied up the dough. If that's what you meant, then I would say yes. He was asked to be chairman of the board.
adelphi, I know you have had a hard time following the facts on this, so a few clairifications.
William Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) with a grant from the Annenberg Foundation. He put a young Obama in charge of distributing funds for the CAC, as well as raising additional funds from charitable organizations. As the person in charge of this organizations funds, Obama in turn distributed much of that money to Ayers causes. Shortly after that time together Ayers hosted a fund raising event when Obama ran for office.
As well, they worked together on the Woods Fund Project.
I think the more important question than why Obama associated himself with Ayers is what did Ayers, a radical terrorist, see in Obama that he would invest so much time in him?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/14/2008 2:12:22 PM
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So, Obama is more than just an associate with the Annenberg Foundation? Because they are the ones who ponied up the dough. If that's what you meant, then I would say yes. He was asked to be chairman of the board.
adelphi, I know you have had a hard time following the facts on this, so a few clairifications.
William Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) with a grant from the Annenberg Foundation. He put a young Obama in charge of distributing funds for the CAC, as well as raising additional funds from charitable organizations. As the person in charge of this organizations funds, Obama in turn distributed much of that money to Ayers causes. Shortly after that time together Ayers hosted a fund raising event when Obama ran for office.
As well, they worked together on the Woods Fund Project.
I think the more important question than why Obama associated himself with Ayers is what did Ayers, a radical terrorist, see in Obama that he would invest so much time in him?
Don't forget the $$$$$$$. $50 million isn't small change.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:36:14 PM
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So, Obama is more than just an associate with the Annenberg Foundation? Because they are the ones who ponied up the dough. If that's what you meant, then I would say yes. He was asked to be chairman of the board.
adelphi, I know you have had a hard time following the facts on this, so a few clairifications.
William Ayers founded the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) with a grant from the Annenberg Foundation. He put a young Obama in charge of distributing funds for the CAC, as well as raising additional funds from charitable organizations. As the person in charge of this organizations funds, Obama in turn distributed much of that money to Ayers causes.
Are you forgetting there were other people besides Obama and liberals on that board, there were Republicans as well. The organization was backed by a Republican even Pres. Regan, so would n't that make them associated with a terrorist too?
And what about G. Gordon Liddy, none of you all have justified that what he did as a domestic terrorist is not that same as Ayers... and Liddy is a close friend to McCain vs. Ayers to Obama...
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:40:00 PM
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Why do you keep defending McCain and keep bashing Obama for being associated with a "terrorist"?
Well if McCain had funded and organized with Ayers, I would condemn him as well.
No you wouldn't.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:41:21 PM
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No you wouldn't.
I certainly would; I barely like him as it is.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:45:10 PM
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No you wouldn't.
I certainly would; I barely like him as it is.
But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:51:06 PM
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But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
You apparently haven't been around that long.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:51:51 PM
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No you wouldn't.
I certainly would; I barely like him as it is.
But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
and Palin's too... just an observation
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 1:54:54 PM
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Are you forgetting there were other people besides Obama and liberals on that board, there were Republicans as well. The organization was backed by a Republican even Pres. Regan, so would n't that make them associated with a terrorist too?
Name a single Republican on the board.
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And what about G. Gordon Liddy, none of you all have justified that what he did as a domestic terrorist is not that same as Ayers... and Liddy is a close friend to McCain vs. Ayers to Obama...
Again, let's review -
Obama - funded, organized, and worked with actual unrepentant domestic terrorist
McCain - neither funded, organized, joined, nor worked with Liddy, who is in no way a 'terrorist'.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 2:02:12 PM
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But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
You apparently haven't been around that long.
Spare me the condescension.
Check THIS thread and you'll see what I mean.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 2:17:04 PM
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Jhud
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Spare me the condescension.
Check THIS thread and you'll see what I mean.
I am not condescending; I have almost 8000 posts in recent times; I have been critical of McCain on his views about election funding, compromising with Democrats on judges, stem cell research, the fact that he is quite old and often seems incapbable of clearly communicating conservative concepts, as well as his recent absurd notions about buying up mortages.
And I have praised Obama on certain things, and defended him against unfair attacks; so the fact is, you simply aren't familiar with my history here; don't assume, because you know what happens when you assume...
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 2:28:13 PM
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But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
You apparently haven't been around that long.
Spare me the condescension.
Check THIS thread and you'll see what I mean.
Wow...someone who has been on this fourm for less than 1 month, trying to tell someone who has been apart of this forum (and its Crosswalk predecessor) for longer than I have (and I have been here for over 7 years). That is hilarious.
You people who are new should have been here during the primaries where hardly a single RNC candidate was not smashed by someone. Sen McCain, Gov Huckabee, Gov Guliani, Gov Romney, Rep Ron Paul, Sen Fred Thompson, ect. Most people on this board were NOT infavor of Sen McCain. Most people on this board were questioning if they would vote for him after he won the primaries. In fact, for most people on this board the only thing that made voting for Sen McCain atleast somewhat stomachable was his selection of Gov Palin as his running mate. But of course that happened a few weeks before you joined so you would not know about it.
You see for most of us we are voting for Sen McCain inspite of is faults, we are NOT ignoring them. But we see Sen McCain's faults to pale in comparison to Sen Obama's.
Again, let me say that to you again since you probably will ignore it. Most on this board who are voting for Sen McCain do so INSPITE of his faults, because he is the better option. We are not IGNORING his faults in the slightest.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 2:42:26 PM
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But you seem a bit reluctant to admit ANY wrongdoing on McCain's part.
You apparently haven't been around that long.
Spare me the condescension.
Check THIS thread and you'll see what I mean.
Wow...someone who has been on this fourm for less than 1 month, trying to tell someone who has been apart of this forum (and its Crosswalk predecessor) for longer than I have (and I have been here for over 7 years). That is hilarious.
You people who are new should have been here during the primaries where hardly a single RNC candidate was not smashed by someone. Sen McCain, Gov Huckabee, Gov Guliani, Gov Romney, Rep Ron Paul, Sen Fred Thompson, ect. Most people on this board were NOT infavor of Sen McCain. Most people on this board were questioning if they would vote for him after he won the primaries. In fact, for most people on this board the only thing that made voting for Sen McCain atleast somewhat stomachable was his selection of Gov Palin as his running mate. But of course that happened a few weeks before you joined so you would not know about it.
You see for most of us we are voting for Sen McCain inspite of is faults, we are NOT ignoring them. But we see Sen McCain's faults to pale in comparison to Sen Obama's.
Again, let me say that to you again since you probably will ignore it. Most on this board who are voting for Sen McCain do so INSPITE of his faults, because he is the better option. We are not IGNORING his faults in the slightest.
I can be condescending too, but I won't. 
Please see that I was referring to THIS thread.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 3:23:28 PM
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Well seeing as there is no link in what you posted, it is kind of hard to see what you are trying to get at.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 3:26:15 PM
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Well seeing as there is no link in what you posted, it is kind of hard to see what you are trying to get at.
I was referring to Jhud sidestepping all the negative associations attributed to John McCain...in THIS thread.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 3:33:49 PM
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Jhud
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I was referring to Jhud sidestepping all the negative associations attributed to John McCain...in THIS thread.
Again, I have often pointed out McCain's negative associations. For example, he has been known in his time to fund, organize, and associate with a number of Democrats.
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 3:41:33 PM
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I was referring to Jhud sidestepping all the negative associations attributed to John McCain...in THIS thread.
Again, I haven't often pointed out McCain's negative associations. For example, he has been known in his time to fund, organize, and associate with a number of Democrats.
Okay, so since you and others here have said we need to know about Obama's associates that it's important (though it isn't), are you saying McCain should be helf to the same standard? If so, then aren't his associtation with those names on the first page and a few more, questionable of McCain's judgement and character?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 3:43:50 PM
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Okay, so since you and others here have said we need to know about Obama's associates that it's important (though it isn't), are you saying McCain should be helf to the same standard? If so, then aren't his associtation with those names on the first page and a few more, questionable of McCain's judgement and character?
Sure it is; but none of them are as serious nor to the degree to which Obama associated himself with Ayers.
Indeed, if you think McCain's associations are troubling, why wouldn't you be concerned about Obama's?
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RE: If Obama is "palling around with terrorists&qu... - 10/20/2008 6:08:39 PM
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Okay, so since you and others here have said we need to know about Obama's associates that it's important (though it isn't), are you saying McCain should be helf to the same standard? If so, then aren't his associtation with those names on the first page and a few more, questionable of McCain's judgement and character?
Sure it is; but none of them are as serious nor to the degree to which Obama associated himself with Ayers.
Indeed, if you think McCain's associations are troubling, why wouldn't you be concerned about Obama's?
I also would add that this board talked about the faults of Sen McCain during the Primaries. Where again, few if ANY regular members of this forum supported Sen McCain in the Primaries. But now that he is the GOP candidate for President, and esspecially after he nominated a conservitive for VP, people are supporting that candidate. The reason why we are not bringing up his faults left and right is mostly because we have ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEM TO DEATH! Why do WE have to rehash what has been said over 10 months ago JUST so you can see it for yourself? And for you all (longfingers, kid, ect) to all but call us liars when we say we have brought up the problems of Sen McCain, that is just making you look ignorant and arrogant. And again adds to the proof that you are not on this board because you found a Christian board to talk on, but rather you are hear for other reasons.
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