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I also would add that this board talked about the faults of Sen McCain during the Primaries. Where again, few if ANY regular members of this forum supported Sen McCain in the Primaries. But now that he is the GOP candidate for President, and esspecially after he nominated a conservitive for VP, people are supporting that candidate. The reason why we are not bringing up his faults left and right is mostly because we have ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEM TO DEATH!

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Why do WE have to rehash what has been said over 10 months ago JUST so you can see it for yourself? And for you all (longfingers, kid, ect) to all but call us liars when we say we have brought up the problems of Sen McCain...

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...that is just making you look ignorant and arrogant.

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And again adds to the proof that you are not on this board because you found a Christian board to talk on, but rather you are hear for other reasons.

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Okay, so since you and others here have said we need to know about Obama's associates that it's important (though it isn't), are you saying McCain should be helf to the same standard? If so, then aren't his associtation with those names on the first page and a few more, questionable of McCain's judgement and character?

Sure it is; but none of them are as serious nor to the degree to which Obama associated himself with Ayers.

Indeed, if you think McCain's associations are troubling, why wouldn't you be concerned about Obama's?

I also would add that this board talked about the faults of Sen McCain during the Primaries. Where again, few if ANY regular members of this forum supported Sen McCain in the Primaries. But now that he is the GOP candidate for President, and esspecially after he nominated a conservitive for VP, people are supporting that candidate. The reason why we are not bringing up his faults left and right is mostly because we have ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEM TO DEATH! Why do WE have to rehash what has been said over 10 months ago JUST so you can see it for yourself? And for you all (longfingers, kid, ect) to all but call us liars when we say we have brought up the problems of Sen McCain, that is just making you look ignorant and arrogant. And again adds to the proof that you are not on this board because you found a Christian board to talk on, but rather you are hear for other reasons.

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Don't worry. Today's my last day here anyway...the imbalance is pretty ridiculous.

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Okay, so since you and others here have said we need to know about Obama's associates that it's important (though it isn't), are you saying McCain should be helf to the same standard? If so, then aren't his associtation with those names on the first page and a few more, questionable of McCain's judgement and character?

Sure it is; but none of them are as serious nor to the degree to which Obama associated himself with Ayers.

Indeed, if you think McCain's associations are troubling, why wouldn't you be concerned about Obama's?

I also would add that this board talked about the faults of Sen McCain during the Primaries. Where again, few if ANY regular members of this forum supported Sen McCain in the Primaries. But now that he is the GOP candidate for President, and esspecially after he nominated a conservitive for VP, people are supporting that candidate. The reason why we are not bringing up his faults left and right is mostly because we have ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEM TO DEATH! Why do WE have to rehash what has been said over 10 months ago JUST so you can see it for yourself? And for you all (longfingers, kid, ect) to all but call us liars when we say we have brought up the problems of Sen McCain, that is just making you look ignorant and arrogant. And again adds to the proof that you are not on this board because you found a Christian board to talk on, but rather you are hear for other reasons.

This post is pretty silly. I'm not responding to the petty attacks.

For some on this board to hammer away at Socialism, Abortion, Ayers, lather, rinse, repeat...

...then for you to say "Hey we already spoke of McCain's faults in the PRIMARIES!!!!"

That's absolutely hilarious.

Don't worry. Today's my last day here anyway...the imbalance is pretty ridiculous.

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Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

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I also would add that this board talked about the faults of Sen McCain during the Primaries. Where again, few if ANY regular members of this forum supported Sen McCain in the Primaries. But now that he is the GOP candidate for President, and esspecially after he nominated a conservitive for VP, people are supporting that candidate. The reason why we are not bringing up his faults left and right is mostly because we have ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THEM TO DEATH!

Oh I know, I've read the thread but it was no where as discussed in depth as all the negative threads are about Obama. Even when the Ayers thing was first brought up, no where did anyone question Clinton's or McCain's associates since they all have people they're more associated with that are of bad character and judgement. And I'm sorry, you or no one else here have talked about McCain's associates to death, I've looked at the past threads since the folder started last year.

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Why do WE have to rehash what has been said over 10 months ago JUST so you can see it for yourself? And for you all (longfingers, kid, ect) to all but call us liars when we say we have brought up the problems of Sen McCain...

I guess like many of you here keep rehashing things about Obama that happened months ago, like the streched out association of Ayers, his birth certificate, and countless other trivial things as seen by the thread titles.

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...that is just making you look ignorant and arrogant.

And you don't think that it makes you and others look the same way when you all go on and on about Obama but fail to apply the same standards or bring up your own candidate?

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And again adds to the proof that you are not on this board because you found a Christian board to talk on, but rather you are hear for other reasons.

So, you're questioning my motive of being here? I really don't need to prove to you a thing. If you've read my very first post on this board since you seem to keep up with everything here, you would know that I've been here for years to this site and forum (not the election) but never joined until now when I saw some of the mean and unchristian like things being said. So if you can't add anything to what the thread is about, I'd suggest so that you won't have to keep being reminded by me or a moderator to stay on topic, to start another thread and express your frustration or you could pm me and I'll gladly write back to you.

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This caller shows the whole hypocrisy of this guilt-by-association the McCain/Palin camp are still clinging to... gotta say I agree with him.


On the October 21 broadcast of The Radio Factor, after a caller noted that Sen. John McCain "accepted money" from G. Gordon Liddy, and that Liddy "held a fundraiser for him in 1998," host Bill O'Reilly declared: "McCain has nothing to do with G. Gordon Liddy -- nothing." O'Reilly continued: "I mean, if you want to make a comparison between Bill Ayers, who has consistently over the years interacted face-to-face with John McCain -- with Barack Obama, I should say -- if you want to make a comparison to Liddy sendin' the guy some money and holdin' a fundraiser 20 years ago, I mean, come on. It's ridiculous."

Click here to read more and to view the video...

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It is ridiculous. Liddy Served time for his acts, which were in no way terroristic; Ayers served no time, never repented of his terroristic activities, and gets funded to the tune of millions of dollars from an Obama chaired organization. There is no comparison.

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How is it ridiculous, Liddy was a domestic terrorist, plotted to kill people, tells others how to shoot a federal agent (after he served his time), he's unrepentant, has given money to the McCain campaign, did hold a fundraiser for McCain 10 years ago, and McCain has actually said this is a clost friend of his... hmmm... yep pretty ridiculous huh... or just plain hypocritical that you and many others don't want to admit that it's no different to the manufactured story about Obama launching his career in Ayer's living room and them being close friends... oh wait, it is different being that McCain actually does have a real tie to this domestic terrorist and other questionable associations.

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Liddy never 'plotted to kill people'...

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Liddy never 'plotted to kill people', he went to jail for burglary; and now he is a blowhard radio and tv personality, not an actual bomb building terrorist like Ayers, with whom Obama spent years, and whom Obama funded extensively.

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Liddy never 'plotted to kill people', he went to jail for burglary; and now he is a blowhard radio and tv personality, not an actual bomb building terrorist like Ayers, with whom Obama spent years, and whom Obama funded extensively.

So, your standard for a terrorist is "plotting to kill people".

This'll come as a surprise to Palin -

Brian Williams: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist under this definition?

Sarah Palin: (Exasperated sigh.) There’s no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who thought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There is no question there. Now others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to, I don’t know if you’re gonna use the word "terrorist" there.

http://www.christiangallery.com/atrocity/aborts.html

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The comparison between these two is like night and day. I'm surprised at the lack of common sense in distinquishing these too.

If McCain had his campaign launched from Liddy's living room, or Liddy worked with McCain for 7 years, or Liddy had ACTUALLY executed the killings or bombings as Ayers did , then it would be valid.

Like the old joke goes...

Q:What does Obama and Osama have in common?
A:They both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.

Joke won't work with McCain, Get it yet?

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Obviously you refuse to look at McCain and Liddy's real relationship because there's actually a real one there whereas with Obama and Ayers, there isn't. Not only that, McCain has alot of skeletons and associates that he won't give detail about but I see there are many here who are drinking the GOP Kool-aid to the last drop to even realize such assoiciations of McCain...

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Liddy never 'plotted to kill people', he went to jail for burglary; and now he is a blowhard radio and tv personality, not an actual bomb building terrorist like Ayers, with whom Obama spent years, and whom Obama funded extensively.

So, your standard for a terrorist is "plotting to kill people".

This'll come as a surprise to Palin -

Brian Williams: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist under this definition?

Sarah Palin: (Exasperated sigh.) There’s no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who thought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There is no question there. Now others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to, I don’t know if you’re gonna use the word "terrorist" there.

http://www.christiangallery.com/atrocity/aborts.html

The comparison between these two is like night and day. I'm surprised at the lack of common sense in distinquishing these too.

If McCain had his campaign launched from Liddy's living room, or Liddy worked with McCain for 7 years, or Liddy had ACTUALLY executed the killings or bombings as Ayers did , then it would be valid.

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O.K.
How about the killing/wounding of medical providers?!
Not terrorists?
(you know, that stuff in my post you kinda skipped over?)

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Why is it, Longfingers, that you refuse to see the connection between Obama and Ayers? Ayers is more than just a man in the neighborhood. Ayers is not rehabilitated as he is unrepentant. Obama's spread the wealth comment to Joe the plumber makes it pretty clear that he and Ayers shaer the same school of thought.

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Since earning a doctorate in education at Columbia in 1987, Mr. Ayers has been a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, the author or editor of 15 books, and an advocate of school reform.

“He’s done a lot of good in this city and nationally,” Mayor Richard M. Daley said in an interview this week, explaining that he has long consulted Mr. Ayers on school issues. Mr. Daley, whose father was Chicago’s mayor during the street violence accompanying the 1968 Democratic National Convention and the so-called Days of Rage the following year, said he saw the bombings of that time in the context of a polarized and turbulent era.

“This is 2008,” Mr. Daley said. “People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.”

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Ayers has been way overblown (imagine that!).
But hey, why should you believe the Mayor of Chicago over the Mayor of Wasilla?

Beyond all that, don't you find it odd that the shady characters attributed to Obama are few in number compared to those of McCain? Are you using McCain's age as an excuse? (he's had more time to make more mistakes) I thought age brought wisdom.

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Ayers has been way overblown (imagine that!).
But hey, why should you believe the Mayor of Chicago over the Mayor of Wasilla?

Beyond all that, don't you find it odd that the shady characters attributed to Obama are few in number compared to those of McCain? Are you using McCain's age as an excuse? (he's had more time to make more mistakes) I thought age brought wisdom.

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Ayers has been way overblown? Didn't he write a piece on 9/11/2001 saying that he wished he's used more explosives?

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This'll come as a surprise to Palin -

Brian Williams: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist under this definition?

Sarah Palin: (Exasperated sigh.) There’s no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who thought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There is no question there. Now others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to, I don’t know if you’re gonna use the word "terrorist" there.

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Beyond all that, don't you find it odd that the shady characters attributed to Obama are few in number compared to those of McCain? Are you using McCain's age as an excuse? (he's had more time to make more mistakes) I thought age brought wisdom.

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This'll come as a surprise to Palin -

Brian Williams: Is an abortion clinic bomber a terrorist under this definition?

Sarah Palin: (Exasperated sigh.) There’s no question that Bill Ayers by his own admittance was one who thought to destroy our U.S. Capitol and our Pentagon. That is a domestic terrorist. There is no question there. Now others who would want to engage in harming innocent Americans or facilities that it would be unacceptable to, I don’t know if you’re gonna use the word "terrorist" there.

What does Palin have to do with Brian Williams? I sense desparation here.

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Beyond all that, don't you find it odd that the shady characters attributed to Obama are few in number compared to those of McCain? Are you using McCain's age as an excuse? (he's had more time to make more mistakes) I thought age brought wisdom.

It's not desperation, if you read this thread that's what TaoPoohBear brought up. When asked if she thought is abortion clinic bombers, and some other things that are in line with the most right wingers, if attacks had been done on things that they are against, doesn't she consider that to be domestic terrorism too because it is, and she went around the question as to not answer it.

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Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Wright, Farrakhan, Kwame Kilpatrick, Raila Odinga, Rashid Khalidi .

Your definition of 'few in number' is lacking, and the shadiness of Obama's cohorts far outweighs those of any Presidential candidate ever.

Most of the people you listed aren't associates of Obama, whereas the people have listed numerous times are in close associates of McCain and are terrorists, anti-semantic, thieves, ect.but he calls those people his friends... so how is it those people of McCain who actually have close ties to him aren't brought to same scrutiny as the not-so close to none existant ties of Obama's?

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It's not desperation, if you read this thread that's what TaoPoohBear brought up. When asked if she thought is abortion clinic bombers, and some other things that are in line with the most right wingers, if attacks had been done on things that they are against, doesn't she consider that to be domestic terrorism too because it is, and she went around the question as to not answer it.

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Most of the people you listed aren't associates of Obama, whereas the people have listed numerous times are in close associates of McCain and are terrorists, anti-semantic, thieves, ect.but he calls those people his friends... so how is it those people of McCain who actually have close ties to him aren't brought to same scrutiny as the not-so close to none existant ties of Obama's?