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Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fraud, ... - 10/12/2008 10:29:06 AM
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LivingParadox
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On the mortgage crisis did you know ACORN, one of the architects of this financial mess because of them forcing bad loans on the banks was part of the "solution" on the first vote on the 700 billion bailout? Did you know that as a Community Organizer, Barack Obama trained this group. This organization is well-known to bully, intimidate and just out and out fraud.
Why isn't the media picking up on this connection. It's putting the people in power that created this financial mess and when they are called on it they use evasive, deceitful tactics to hide these actions. Obama never answers a question directly but instead claims to be victim when confronted with any question of his association which go back years.
Let's see:
ACORN
The Chicago Political Machine
Louis Farrakan
His Pastor, Jerimieh Wright and "Black Liberation" theology
His lying about his association with a "American terroist" William Ayers and his wife -- you know they tried to kill and blow up the Pentagon.
He is a pawn of MoveOn.org
It's all connected. Obama is a brilliant marketer and very charismatic speaker. Just don't be surprised what you get instead of what you are being sold if he's elected.
He's FOR killing a late term baby that survives outside the womb from an abortion -- if the abortion doesn't kill the baby let it die.
His policies on just about every needed system are socialism.
He has always cast a vote for the most liberal view in congress (when he's voted) -- He never reaches out in a bi-partisan way. Do we really want Nancy Peloski and Barney Frank (very much part of this financial fiasco) over the legislature and Obama over the executive branch with the Judicial branch up for grabs in the coming years?
I would love to see an African American elected president...it's just this is NOT the right guy.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 11:08:03 AM
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OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 11:34:12 AM
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huangshan
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What's the problem with ACORN again? Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 11:39:48 AM
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Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.
I know you're in China, what non-tabloid stuff? Our mainstream media here has become tabloid stuff.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 11:59:14 AM
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Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.
I know you're in China, what non-tabloid stuff? Our mainstream media here has become tabloid stuff.
Ha, basically, I don't watch TV...
This article points out that actual voter fraud (the kind people worry about these days, people voting twice, etcetera) is practically nonexistent.
http://washingtonindependent.com/9136/democrats-gop-challenge-voter-laws
I read elsewhere that, though ACORN has some corrupt canvassers that attempt to bilk ACORN by providing faulty voter lists and such, those ultimately serve to give ACORN a hard time (and cause it to lose money) and don't actually translate to fraud in the booth.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 12:07:28 PM
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Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.
I know you're in China, what non-tabloid stuff? Our mainstream media here has become tabloid stuff.
Ha, basically, I don't watch TV...
This article points out that actual voter fraud (the kind people worry about these days, people voting twice, etcetera) is practically nonexistent.
http://washingtonindependent.com/9136/democrats-gop-challenge-voter-laws
I read elsewhere that, though ACORN has some corrupt canvassers that attempt to bilk ACORN by providing faulty voter lists and such, those ultimately serve to give ACORN a hard time (and cause it to lose money) and don't actually translate to fraud in the booth.
Who said anything about TV? Our "mainstream" media here consists of TV, radio, and print. These stories have been available to the mainstream press for quite some time, but they have not done anything to uncover them. They have only come to the surface as talk radio (  right wing!) has informed their audience who is now demanding the "mainstream" press do its job equitably.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 12:23:52 PM
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I guess ACORN's hitting the elementary school rolls now.
7-YR.-OLD GETS AN ACORN VOTE CONN. JOB TO BOOST OBAMA
O'jahnae Smith is ready and registered to vote this November.
There's only one problem: She's 7 years old.
The Connecticut girl is 11 years too young - and nobody in her family knows how she ended up on a voter registration form submitted by ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:29:36 PM
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huangshan
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Most of the non-tabloid stuff I've read says the controversy around ACORN is either either grossly exaggerated or entirely baseless.
I know you're in China, what non-tabloid stuff? Our mainstream media here has become tabloid stuff.
Ha, basically, I don't watch TV...
This article points out that actual voter fraud (the kind people worry about these days, people voting twice, etcetera) is practically nonexistent.
http://washingtonindependent.com/9136/democrats-gop-challenge-voter-laws
I read elsewhere that, though ACORN has some corrupt canvassers that attempt to bilk ACORN by providing faulty voter lists and such, those ultimately serve to give ACORN a hard time (and cause it to lose money) and don't actually translate to fraud in the booth.
Who said anything about TV? Our "mainstream" media here consists of TV, radio, and print. These stories have been available to the mainstream press for quite some time, but they have not done anything to uncover them. They have only come to the surface as talk radio ( right wing!) has informed their audience who is now demanding the "mainstream" press do its job equitably.
Okay. Well, anyways, I'm largely forced to get my news on the internet... Which is, I think, much better overall, as it's much easier to follow up on, to explore stories, etcetera. Passive media like television, radio, newspapers aren't as conducive to this.
StephK, that article I posted points out that the kind of "fraud" your article talks about amounts to essentially nothing.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:31:13 PM
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MLK was a godly man who stood up for what's right. I just don't get how Obama could be compared looking at the corrupt associations he's aligned himself. Hate to break it to you Wall Street isn't the only place corruption has taken place -- often one hand washing the other.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:40:00 PM
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Okay. Well, anyways, I'm largely forced to get my news on the internet... Which is, I think, much better overall, as it's much easier to follow up on, to explore stories, etcetera. Passive media like television, radio, newspapers aren't as conducive to this.
StephK, that article I posted points out that the kind of "fraud" your article talks about amounts to essentially nothing.
I would agree with you about passive media. I would also agree that getting news over the internet can be easier to follow up on. Yet, if you are reading articles from our "mainstream" press, you are getting what they want you to digest.
As I mentioned earlier, much of this information about ACORN, Ayers, Reverend Wright, and others in his circles of influence has been available for quite some time. It is talk radio that has brought much of the information to the surface. It has been talk radio that has fired up its listeners to demand the press do their job, not spoon feed us their agenda.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:44:36 PM
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StephK
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StephK, that article I posted points out that the kind of "fraud" your article talks about amounts to essentially nothing.
ACORN has been a big part of vote fraud in New Orleans that has gone on for decades. They paid the biggest price for the corruption so far. They got the government they deserved when they allowed this to keep the crooks in office. Vote fraud is real, I've seen it with my own eyes in the small town I lived in while in high school.
*In the 1996 race for U.S. Senate in Louisiana, Democrat Mary Landrieu beat Republican Louis "Woody" Jenkins amidst charges of vote purchasing, multiple voting and the casting of fraudulent votes. An investigation revealed that "large-scale violations of federal and state election law have occurred."
Attorneys for Woody Jenkins put together more than 8,000 pages of affidavits and exhibits, alleging 7,454 illegal or "phantom" votes. Although the effort was impressive, Jenkins still lost the election by 5,788 votes out of more than 1.7 million votes cast.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:49:02 PM
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LivingParadox
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But don't you know voter fraud is ok if the Democrats do it?
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:55:01 PM
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StephK
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But of course! If you think about it, had people fought the corruption sooner things would be so much different. I know that Woody Jenkins would have been a much better senator than that witch Mary Landrieu. Dollar Bill Jefferson would not have been reelected once and on top of the ticket for the runoff after he was busted with $90,000 in his freezer had their not been vote fraud. That's just two national seats from the New Orleans area. This is very serious and needs to be stopped. Those who commit vote fraud disenfranchise all voters who abide by the law.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:55:27 PM
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huangshan
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StephK, that article I posted points out that the kind of "fraud" your article talks about amounts to essentially nothing.
ACORN has been a big part of vote fraud in New Orleans that has gone on for decades. They paid the biggest price for the corruption so far. They got the government they deserved when they allowed this to keep the crooks in office. Vote fraud is real, I've seen it with my own eyes in the small town I lived in while in high school.
Could you please connect that to something？Post a link maybe? If this fraud is the same as the "fraud" I talked about earlier, I'm not sure what the big deal is, and I'm not sure how much flack ACORN should take for it. If the fraud is actually significant, could you elaborate, particularly with respect to how ACORN is so integral to this corruption?
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:56:55 PM
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More boogymen from the right. Yawn.
Who’s Afraid of ACORN, and Why
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 1:57:45 PM
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Hmm. Wasn't one of the big items on Obama's resume comparable to the VP's experience as governor listed a Community Organizer? Now what exactly is ACORN? What exactly has ACORN been organizing?
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:00:30 PM
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StephK
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ACORN has been involved with New Orleans politics since its inception. Do your own homework.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/acorn-project-vote-and-voter-fraud/
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:00:50 PM
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More boogymen from the right. Yawn.
Who’s Afraid of ACORN, and Why
Unless you condone voter fraud and ACORN fueling the fire on this housing debacle in turn, letting us tax payers foot the bill for 700 billion -- then you should be VERY AFRAID. Actually, that's probably not the right word -- YOU SHOULD BE ANGRY.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:21:30 PM
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ACORN has been involved with New Orleans politics since its inception. Do your own homework.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/acorn-project-vote-and-voter-fraud/
I did. Remember that article I posted earlier? It noted (and I did) that that kind of "fraud" amounts to essentially nothing.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:23:16 PM
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Hmm. 8 years ago? That would pre-date the Bush Administration. ACORN hiding financial irregularities so as not to be found out by the conservatives was the reason given for not pursuing legal charges? If this kind of behavior had been addressed 8 years ago do you think ACORN could have fuel the flames of the housing debacle?
When was it that Obama was a community organizer? Didn't Obama have ties with convicted real estate investor Tony Rezko? Oh year, they also had some real estate deals go down..flipped some properties.
Rezko, who is scheduled to go on trial on federal corruption charges next month, has numerous ties to Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama who, as a lawyer, worked on several Rezko real estate deals and later received large campaign contributions from Rezko and his associates.
In addition, Rezko played a role in Obama's purchase of a new home in 2005, at a time when Rezko was already reported to be under federal investigation. An ABC News analysis last week found Rezko and his associates had donated a little more than $185,000 to the Obama Senate and presidential campaigns. A spokesperson for Obama said $85,000 of that had been given to charity. Over the weekend, Obama said any additional funds found to be linked to Rezko would also be contributed to charity.
ABC NEWS from Jan. 2008 Rezko indicted in Federal Court for Corruption
That's only 8 months before the Housing Debacle became apparent. Hmm. 
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:33:00 PM
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ACORN has been involved with New Orleans politics since its inception. Do your own homework.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/acorn-project-vote-and-voter-fraud/
I did. Remember that article I posted earlier? It noted (and I did) that that kind of "fraud" amounts to essentially nothing.
All anyone has to do to see the results of rampant vote fraud is to look at what happened in New Orleans and other states where there is historical records of vote fraud.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:39:12 PM
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huangshan
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ACORN has been involved with New Orleans politics since its inception. Do your own homework.
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/08/29/acorn-project-vote-and-voter-fraud/
I did. Remember that article I posted earlier? It noted (and I did) that that kind of "fraud" amounts to essentially nothing.
All anyone has to do to see the results of rampant vote fraud is to look at what happened in New Orleans and other states where there is historical records of vote fraud.
Look, I can mention vote fraud and Ronald Reagan in the same breath but it doesn't make the two connected. You can do the same with ACORN, with similar non-results. Gesticulating wildly ("look at what happened...!") doesn't make a connection any more clear.
Bedtime for reals now. I hope there's an actual case built up when I come back.
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RE: Obama's links to ACORN --mortgage crisis, voter fra... - 10/12/2008 2:46:10 PM
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Let see.
There is the ACORN involvement.
There is the Tony Rezko connection.
There is the Rev. Wright Issue.
There is the William Ayers association.
If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.
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