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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 12:37:11 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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The bottom line is a Christian is a genuine, warm, strong, assertive person who chooses his friends carefully and smartly.
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With all due respect, truly, and as sincerely as I can ask this . . . how is repeatedly calling this woman a jerk and other demeaning names being Christlike?
I certainly understand that boundaries need to be set with certain people. But we can choose to either set those boundaries in kindness and in love, or we can set them out of anger and hostility. Love enables one to make a much stronger and more realistic boundary.
I have been following this thread since its inception.
You are a great person; I've read many of your posts in other threads.
But throughout this entire thread, you have repeatedly degraded this woman and have used very angry smaces when referring to her. Yesterday, you said that only a certain group of people were worthy of your time.
I'm just truly wondering how all of this lines up with how, we as Christians, are supposed to behave towards others.
Again, boundaries are a good thing; I'm not arguing that at all.
I just don't want to see you get trapped in a cycle of unnecessary anger and bitterness.
Blessings,
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 12:53:52 PM
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Cloak
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Sharon-Marie,
Being angry is Not sinful! In fact, being angry helps us to realize the problem and set our own boundaries and then take action on that person and confront him. The bottom line is Not to sin and that is exactly what I did with this woman.
As to calling this woman "Jerk"....what other gentle word do you have to explain this kind of person???
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 1:06:06 PM
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WhiteRoseBlessings
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I never said being angry was a sin . . . because I don't believe it is.
However, staying in anger can really mess up a person's heart.
And acting in anger, can be sinful; depending on the circumstances.
It's what a person does with anger; that's the point.
As to what I would have called the woman you've been speaking about . . . I would simply call her a woman.
I don't believe name calling is productive at all; the only thing it accomplishes is to keep the person who is doing name calling in a constant state of bitterness.
In this specific thread, my concern is not toward the JH woman; my concern is specifically towards you. None of this is meant to be condemantion; rather an encouragement to look at actions and attitudes to see if they are producing the fruit of Our Lord's Holy Spirit
"But the Fruit of the Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness & Self Control.
Against such things there is no law."
-- Galatians 5:22-23
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 2:05:19 PM
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One time I heard a comedian say how he got the Jehovah Witnesses to stop bothering him.
He drew a chalk outline of a body on the sidewalk - like the police do when somebody is killed - and scattered a few religious pamphlets around it.
He never had any more calls! 
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 2:23:46 PM
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KnowJesus
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings
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ORIGINAL: Cloak
The bottom line is a Christian is a genuine, warm, strong, assertive person who chooses his friends carefully and smartly.
{{{Cloak}}}
With all due respect, truly, and as sincerely as I can ask this . . . how is repeatedly calling this woman a jerk and other demeaning names being Christlike?
I certainly understand that boundaries need to be set with certain people. But we can choose to either set those boundaries in kindness and in love, or we can set them out of anger and hostility. Love enables one to make a much stronger and more realistic boundary.
I have been following this thread since its inception.
You are a great person; I've read many of your posts in other threads.
But throughout this entire thread, you have repeatedly degraded this woman and have used very angry smaces when referring to her. Yesterday, you said that only a certain group of people were worthy of your time.
I'm just truly wondering how all of this lines up with how, we as Christians, are supposed to behave towards others.
Again, boundaries are a good thing; I'm not arguing that at all.
I just don't want to see you get trapped in a cycle of unnecessary anger and bitterness.
Blessings,
Sharon-Marie
I have to agree.
Cloak, may I add, that NO, matter this woman's beliefs or her mental state...treat her with LOVE. "Love one another, as I have loved you." "Love your neighbor, as yourself"
Yes, she may hold fast to her belief...but she is not the enemy. She is a lost soul, who needs the salvation which comes through Jesus Christ.
PRAY for this woman to be open to listening to her.
Pray for God to give you the desire to love her, as he does. Ask him, to give you a compassionate heart for this woman in her 60's.
I believe God placed this woman in your face for a reason. And that reason is for you to witness to her. Saying I am a Christian (to her) leave me be...is never a good witness to what Christ has done in you. Pray that God will give you kind words, and wisdom to reach out to her. You most likely have a lost soul...who is need of a Savior. JW's need the truth of Christ..NOT the boot.
Many times God allows these times to test us and grow us into faithful disciples. Just because someone is annoying (or harrassing), should not eliminate them from your love and prayers for them.
Ask God to give you the desire to make amends with her, so you can start on the path of reaching her for his glory and eternal kingdom...in Jesus name.
Nothing is impossible with God!
Praying the Lord will bless you, as you reach out with his love...And may the power of the Holy Spirit (God, in us) speak for you in love. May he draw her to understand the absolute truth of who Jesus is,.. "the way, the truth and the life (eternal life)" when she hears it.
Let's not exalt ourselves above anyone else, we are to present the truth in love. Cloak...praying You will one day hear from our Lord..."Well done, good and faithful servant."
I truly see this as a ministry to reach her for Christ, and others that she knows. Think about it and PRAY about this. If she has such a passion to let others know about false hope. How much more passion would the Lord bless her with (if she receives Jesus as Lord) to tell others about Christ's saving grace? (And if the Lord saves her), think of the possibilities of her being blessed with the hope of helping lead others out of their false teaching into surrendering their lives to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords! Pray, asking God to give you this vision, too..in the name of Jesus.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 2:47:45 PM
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Cloak
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ORIGINAL: KnowJesus
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ORIGINAL: WhiteRoseBlessings
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ORIGINAL: Cloak
The bottom line is a Christian is a genuine, warm, strong, assertive person who chooses his friends carefully and smartly.
{{{Cloak}}}
With all due respect, truly, and as sincerely as I can ask this . . . how is repeatedly calling this woman a jerk and other demeaning names being Christlike?
I certainly understand that boundaries need to be set with certain people. But we can choose to either set those boundaries in kindness and in love, or we can set them out of anger and hostility. Love enables one to make a much stronger and more realistic boundary.
I have been following this thread since its inception.
You are a great person; I've read many of your posts in other threads.
But throughout this entire thread, you have repeatedly degraded this woman and have used very angry smaces when referring to her. Yesterday, you said that only a certain group of people were worthy of your time.
I'm just truly wondering how all of this lines up with how, we as Christians, are supposed to behave towards others.
Again, boundaries are a good thing; I'm not arguing that at all.
I just don't want to see you get trapped in a cycle of unnecessary anger and bitterness.
Blessings,
Sharon-Marie
I have to agree.
Cloak, may I add, that NO, matter this woman's beliefs or her mental state...treat her with LOVE. "Love one another, as I have loved you." "Love your neighbor, as yourself"
Yes, she may hold fast to her belief...but she is not the enemy. She is a lost soul, who needs the salvation which comes through Jesus Christ.
PRAY for this woman to be open to listening to her.
Pray for God to give you the desire to love her, as he does. Ask him, to give you a compassionate heart for this woman in her 60's.
I believe God placed this woman in your face for a reason. And that reason is for you to witness to her. Saying I am a Christian (to her) leave me be...is never a good witness to what Christ has done in you. Pray that God will give you kind words, and wisdom to reach out to her. You most likely have a lost soul...who is need of a Savior. JW's need the truth of Christ..NOT the boot.
Many times God allows these times to test us and grow us into faithful disciples. Just because someone is annoying (or harrassing), should not eliminate them from your love and prayers for them.
Ask God to give you the desire to make amends with her, so you can start on the path of reaching her for his glory and eternal kingdom...in Jesus name.
Nothing is impossible with God!
Praying the Lord will bless you, as you reach out with his love...And may the power of the Holy Spirit (God, in us) speak for you in love. May he draw her to understand the absolute truth of who Jesus is,.. "the way, the truth and the life (eternal life)" when she hears it.
Let's not exalt ourselves above anyone else, we are to present the truth in love. Cloak...praying You will one day hear from our Lord..."Well done, good and faithful servant."
I truly see this as a ministry to reach her for Christ, and others that she knows. Think about it and PRAY about this. If she has such a passion to let others know about false hope. How much more passion would the Lord bless her with (if she receives Jesus as Lord) to tell others about Christ's saving grace? (And if the Lord saves her), think of the possibilities of her being blessed with the hope of helping lead others out of their false teaching into surrendering their lives to the King of Kings, Lord of Lords! Pray, asking God to give you this vision, too..in the name of Jesus.
I DID treat her with all kindness and respect. In fact ever since she started to harass me I have been patient with her even too patient.
I was assertive, yet kind and polite! As Christians we need to set boundaries with folks who are narrow-minded, argumentative and do not open to receive the good news.
I believe I have done the Right thing and am so Proud of my decision.
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And My God shall meet ALL Your Needs according to His glorious riches in Christ Jesus. (Philippians 4: 19)
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/17/2008 5:00:32 PM
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I believe God placed this woman in your face for a reason. And that reason is for you to witness to her.
Dead center, KnowJesus... or live center! I agree especially with you and Makarizo. It's a spiritual battle, and we are called to the fight with God's love and the knowledge of who He is and what He wants us to know and tell others.
Not many people here know I grew up in a cult. Where would I be if no one had ever told me about God and loved me until God made me alive and enabled me to confess my sin and wrap my brain around His truth? Not everyone shared with will get saved, but we don't know who the ones are whom God has chosen to respond when they hear God's Word. We have to tell them all. In fact, God says if we don't tell people in our lives and they die in their sin, God holds us accountable.
JWs are not allowed to read anything except what their organization publishes or agrees with, so they miss out on the first 1800 years of Church history where many heresies were investigated and renounced. The concept of Jesus being God (which JWs deny. Some say Jesus was God but not Almighty God; but they admit there is only one God so... ) was hashed out in the early centuries of the Church, and it's still true today. So the JW on your doorstep doesn't realize that their beliefs were were found to be heretical by Christians over 1400 years ago... and need YOU to tell them. They can't read Church history but they'll listen to you. So go read up on Church history and the creeds that were formulated to keep believers from falling into heresy. It's a fascinating study and anchor. Those creeds are based on Scripture (I'm speaking of the Apostles' Creed, the Nicene Creed, etc.).
With this lady there's two problems: she believes in heresy and she's got social/mental problems perhaps. If she were a Christian she'd still probably be hard to deal with. So she needs to hear the truth and she needs to be dealt with as a person who doesn't have social skills/boundries/whatever. Twice as hard for Cloak.
God says we inherited a blessing that we might be a blessing to others. It's going to be frustrating and inconvenient. Pray, love and speak. Remember that no situation lasts forever except Heaven, so deal with this now as the gal may move away tomorrow (or die, God forbid in her sin, or maybe get saved! Yay!). All you have is the next five minutes. Go be a light. God bless you, Cloak. I'm praying for you and her now. (((Hugs)))
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/19/2008 12:48:47 PM
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WHO ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES?
The central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower,the reason they came into existence was to proclaim Jesus Christ second coming in 1914.They will now deny that they ever made this claim,that's called BAIT AND SWITCH
The Watchtower is BIG money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year.That’s just from one of their many corporations.They pay no municipal taxes on their buildings,without even one charity to compensate the community.
Most Church's don't pay taxes either,but most mainstream churches are abundant in humanitarian charities.Think if you have ever seen a Jehovah Witness food pantry or soup kitchen for the needy?
For 50 plus years the masthead of the Watchtower,viewed when you opened up to the inside front cover would read as follows:
"This magazine(Watchtower) builds up confidence in the Creators PROMISE of a peaceful and secure "new world" before the generation "that witnessed" the EVENTS OF 1914 passes away"".
By their own admission the Watchtowers has published this dogma in hundreds of millions of pieces of their own literature.
They deleted this false Adventist millerite derived prophecy in 1995 because it had FAILED.
The Watchtower leadership has "purged" hundreds of thousands of followers over the years for failing to uphold the 1914 (Jesus came to power) loyalty oath to this now defunct dogma.
The Bible clearly warns to turn away from false prophets.
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Danny Haszard Jehovah's Witness X 33 years http://www.dannyhaszard.com
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/19/2008 2:20:27 PM
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deermousie
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Thanks, Danny; I didn't know the financial status or the 1914 exodus of members thing.
The Jehovah's Witnesses got their start in 1884 by Charles Russell who decided God was too nice to make hell*, and attempted to revise/reinvent the Bible to reflect God's niceness and remove the idea of hell.
In the process, He had to twist a lot of other doctrine, including that Jesus is God**. So the Jehovah's Witnesses have to contort themselves to make it look like it all fits together, and you wind up with people who think Jesus was an angel, or just a man, or God but not Almighty God (depending on who you talk to). But they also believe there's just one God, so they are stuck with a contradiction. The JW's I've spent hours with will nod and smile that there's only one God and Jesus is the lesser of two Gods.
* The great reformer Calvin said, based on 1 Tim. 1:19, that loss of a good conscience is the mother of all heresy - when we violate our faith we twist Scripture to try to excuse the sin that we're coddling.
**Jesus said in John 16:8,9 that judgement would be based on people believing that Jesus is the I AM. That's what God said His name was in the OT. Numerous passages clearly state and more infer that Jesus is God. It's a salvation issue. If Jesus isn't God then His death was meaningless and we are all lost in our sin. If a person believes Jesus isn't God then they are lost in their own sin.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/19/2008 3:48:29 PM
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Thanks Danny for your testimony and witness and literature about JW, it was a pleasure reading them and knowing facts I've discovered for the 1st time in my life!
I hope many of those folks would do what you've done. Life is too short to be lived in a lie.
Update!
Today, I spoke with 2 female elders in my church who suggested to me to get in touch with an elder from her church and tell them about the situation - as some of you suggested. I hope she would show some respect to them and stop harassing me.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/20/2008 7:47:39 PM
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Today, I called the church or the kingdom hall as they call it and spoke with an elder where that annoying neighbour worships and asked him to ask that woman to leave me alone because I am Christian and do not wish to change my faith and religion. He said he would do that tomorrow since he will see her tomorrow.
I hope with all my heart this step would be crucial to restrain that manipulative woman!
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/24/2008 12:07:09 PM
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I have to agree with Sharon-Marie, KnowJesus and (of course) deermousie. This speaks volumes to me (along with the name calling you've done towards this person):
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She was probably upset, but I learned not to care about those people bc these basically don't have any respect for themselves nor for others!
We are taught to care about all people and act in love towards others.
Now I understand your frustration and anger in this situation, I do; but these words and other things you have said indicate me that you have passed the point with this woman where you are acting out of love (which is so hard to do especially in these situations).
I do believe you have an opportunity to witness to this woman and that you should try to work out some way to do so... even if its a silent witness. We were never told being a witness would be easy or that we would always be welcomed.
I just thought it may be good to recenter yourself before dealing directly with her anymore. Even though you've already taken steps with her church to prevent her from bothering you I felt the need to say what I've said.
~Blessings.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/24/2008 12:14:40 PM
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I think great strides are made when our anger turns to pity.
Maybe that's because I was a cultist before I became a Christian, and know how lost those poor, blind sheep are. Just like all of us before the Son rose on our lives and His pity moved His hand to save us.
May God save this poor gal. She is so lost, and it twists my guts.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 10/24/2008 12:23:03 PM
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I think great strides are made when our anger turns to pity.
Maybe that's because I was a cultist before I became a Christian, and know how lost those poor, blind sheep are. Just like all of us before the Son rose on our lives and His pity moved His hand to save us.
May God save this poor gal. She is so lost, and it twists my guts.
Yes, I was never a member of a cult... but i did heavily study the occult "religions". I know now how lost I was and by token how lost so many people out there are. The ones who find false religions are perhaps worse off than those who have none. In the sense that its harder to break false doctrines than it is to form brand spanking new ones. I will pray for this woman's salvation as well.
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RE: I am being harassed by a Jehovah witness neighbour... - 11/10/2008 10:10:31 PM
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You always have a special Christian response
”Deermousie”
We had a neighbor once a friend and I built a garage for. He had just retired and watched us the entire time. He even moved his chair so he wouldn’t miss observing a lick by our hammers. We did the job by the hour and he changed everything several times. I was becoming very tired at this as I had more work to do elsewhere. He was rude and cursed and drank a few beers at times. I was younger then and not as much patience.
He changed the opening position for the back wall twice and I finally threw my hammer down and told my friend Wendell. I would be back later. I got in my truck and left for an hour. When I returned he was gone. I asked Wendell where he went and he told me back inside the house. We finished the garage the next day and he came out to pay us. He was polite and complimentary I asked Wendell what was it he had said to the man after I threw my hammer down and stormed off.
Wendell told me he just told him about your military experiences in Nam and Post Traumatic Stress I had. I looked at Wendell and said, “I never remember having any problems about Nam or any other combat areas”. Wendell smiled and told me, “Dave he didn’t know you didn’t and it worked. He never came back out of the house. I thought about asking Wendell exactly what he said but I guess it didn’t matter. It worked.
This isn’t’ the Christian approach…don’t take this one.
God may be using you to approach this woman and help her
Have a blessed day dave
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