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The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 elec... - 10/16/2008 1:50:22 AM
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aslouie
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber
So what are your thoughts on this blue-collar, 6 figure income-earning, business owner's impact on the McCain-Obama presidential race?
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 1:57:11 AM
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Looking at the CNN reaction lines, women were unimpressed while men mildly impressed.
As for the impact? Well, I'm sure his business will be booming after all the free publicity, but I don't think he will have the slightest impact on the result of the election.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 5:27:21 AM
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Looking at the CNN reaction lines,
Why would anyone do that?
If McCain had connected the dots last night, I think it could've had a huge impact. You can't assume Americans know what "wealth redistribution" means or where it comes from. McCain did so it went right over most people's heads.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 9:25:05 AM
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Looking at the CNN reaction lines,
Why would anyone do that?
If McCain had connected the dots last night, I think it could've had a huge impact. You can't assume Americans know what "wealth redistribution" means or where it comes from. McCain did so it went right over most people's heads.
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"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success, too."
At a later point in the discussion, Obama said: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody. But listen, I respect what you do and I respect your question, and even if I don't get your vote, I'm still gonna be working hard on your behalf because small businesses are what creates jobs in this country and I want to encourage it."
I think McCain should have went on further and called it socialism. It is worse than Robin Hood who stole from the rich and gave to the poor because under Barack, it would be a government-mandated wealth redistribution. I guess if you promise the peasants money they will vote for you as king.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:00:23 AM
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"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success, too."
This would make a great campaign ad.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:03:23 AM
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This would make a great campaign ad.
Agreed. The left has class warfare and wealth envy down to a science...
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:19:52 AM
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From the National Review's Corner blog today:
Joe the Plumber and Mark the Trucker
From the article
Hello Kathryn,
I always like to read what you write, particularly when you stand for life. Good take on Joe. I am married to Mark the Trucker. He owns a small transportation business (approx 15 employees). He started with one truck in 1978. I'm pretty proud of him. He was also my high school sweetheart and still a hunk.
Anyway, the point I want to make is that small businesses are usually S-Corps or LLCs, and that means what they cannot deduct as business expenses is taxed as personal income. That puts most small business in a higher tax bracket than the one they would qualify for if only their real earnings were taxed.
To read the rest, go to the link above.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:24:17 AM
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"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success, too."
This would make a great campaign ad.
I found it to be a terrible message. First, he is punishing his\Joe's success with his plan, but he misdirects that by making it sound like it's a side effect of the plan. And his plan doesn't make sure that everyone else behind him\Joe has a chance at success. If we use Joe and\or the $250,000 as benchmarks, what his plan does is gives one breaks if they're below $250K, but creates a bigger hurdle to get over $250K. Which hinders more than it helps in regards to "success".
If he said:
"98 percent of the small businesses make less than $250,000, so I'm going to give them every break I can. And to pay for those breaks, I'm going to make the other 2%, people like you Joe, pay for them. Now Joe, you're a budding businessman, so you should be able to do the math, if I go after 98% of the votes, knowing there's no way of getting the other 2%, won't I have better odds of getting elected?"
I would have been more impressed with his directness.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:30:35 AM
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"Mark the trucker", that's great. There are millions of these guys (and ladies) out there who are right where Joe is. Sadly, I think they're out numbered by the vast majority who just don't get it and never will.
I've said since I first saw the exchange with Obama and Joe that McCain needs to make this an ad, and close it out with the Karl Marx quote "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and maybe this one: "history repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Problem is, most Americans don't know Karl Marx from Groucho!
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 12:00:22 PM
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"It's not that I want to punish your success," Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success, too."
This would make a great campaign ad.
"Tax the rich and give to the poor"... Barack has re-defined what is considered "rich" and lowered that bar. Who's to say later on that, well $150,000 is too much and will tax them more?
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 12:06:57 PM
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"It's not that I want to punish your success,{Voice Over "but he is still going to do it}" Obama said. "I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you that they've got a chance at success, too."
Even though Obama says he doesn't want to punish your success, he is still going to in order to push his socialist agenda.
Get government out of the way of succesful small business owners. Vote McCain-Palin
There is my take on the ad.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 3:55:15 PM
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Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate
...and under the current plan, revenue doesn't get taxed, income does. So is he going to start taxing revenue?
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 4:11:04 PM
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Obama said that under his proposal taxes on any revenue from $250,000 on down would stay the same, but that amounts above that level would be subject to a 39 percent tax, instead of the current 36 percent rate
...and under the current plan, revenue doesn't get taxed, income does. So is he going to start taxing revenue?
Good catch. Let's make it simple, he's going to tax everything he can.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 7:44:04 PM
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So what are your thoughts on this blue-collar, 6 figure income-earning, business owner's impact on the McCain-Obama presidential race?
He'll stick around in the news cycle for a day or two, then vanish back into obscurity, his 15 minutes of fame fully spent.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 7:49:13 PM
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So what are your thoughts on this blue-collar, 6 figure income-earning, business owner's impact on the McCain-Obama presidential race?
The only thing he is, is a blue collar worker. He doesn't have a six figure income, in his own words, nowhere close to it, and doesn't own his own business.
I think his impact on the race is zero.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/16/2008 11:43:59 PM
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So what are your thoughts on this blue-collar, 6 figure income-earning, business owner's impact on the McCain-Obama presidential race?
The only thing he is, is a blue collar worker. He doesn't have a six figure income, in his own words, nowhere close to it, and doesn't own his own business.
I think his impact on the race is zero.
that's what I just heard today; it seems Joe the plumber is currently in the market to purchase his own plumbing company, with a projected quarter of a million yearly salary (key word: projected). Other than that, I've been hearing that this guy's got some additional 15 minutes of infamy, i.e. nasty criticism, from certain left-leaning members of the blogosphere and ABC News (or one of the big 3 broadcasters).
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/17/2008 1:33:16 AM
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"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Between 2000-2004 the Obama's earned about $1,200,000. They gave less than 1% to charity.
George Obama lives in a shack. It looks like the material was found at a garbage dump. It is located in a crime and disease infested slum. George is BHO's brother.
"I am my brother's keeper," BHO has said on multiple occassions.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/17/2008 1:38:49 AM
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So what are your thoughts on this blue-collar, 6 figure income-earning, business owner's impact on the McCain-Obama presidential race?
The only thing he is, is a blue collar worker. He doesn't have a six figure income, in his own words, nowhere close to it, and doesn't own his own business.
I think his impact on the race is zero.
that's what I just heard today; it seems Joe the plumber is currently in the market to purchase his own plumbing company, with a projected quarter of a million yearly salary (key word: projected). Other than that, I've been hearing that this guy's got some additional 15 minutes of infamy, i.e. nasty criticism, from certain left-leaning members of the blogosphere and ABC News (or one of the big 3 broadcasters).
The media is digging deep into his life like he's a danger to society. The problem is that he asked a question of The 0ne and 0bamessiah messed up by revealing his true Marxist nature. All of us need to sit back and look at what is happening to Joe the Plumber because quite frankly it's chilling. The MEDIA should be digging into 0's past in the same manner because we the people deserve to know who it is we are electing before the election not afterwards.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/17/2008 1:54:16 AM
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The media is digging deep into his life like he's a danger to society. The problem is that he asked a question of The 0ne and 0bamessiah messed up by revealing his true Marxist nature. All of us need to sit back and look at what is happening to Joe the Plumber because quite frankly it's chilling.
Agreed, and the absolute vitriol being displayed towards this man from the left is both astonishing and nauseating. If you ask me, they are writing a McCain campaign ad with their reactions: "Question Obama? This is the response you'll get. Think how much worse it would be with him in the White House. Vote McCain!" Or something along those lines.
Attacking your opponent, fine, that's politics. But going after a random guy because he dared question your candidate? That's gonna creep a whole lot of people out if they see it.
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RE: The "Joe-the-plumber" factor (of the '08 ... - 10/17/2008 1:58:14 AM
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The media is on the same level of feeding frenzy as they were for Sarah Palin the people won't be able to miss it. Hopefully it will be enough to wake up the sheeple who are blindly following their Dear Leader.
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