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Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:01:58 AM
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BillBaileyBFAFan
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Last night I saw Ivan Parker in concert, along with the Browders. Looking back on the concert, I saw a noticeable difference in the energy levels between the group (The Browders) and the soloist (Ivan). That got me to thinking about concerts I have attended over the years. This energy and stage presence difference seems to be pretty consistent, especially when the soloist has no band, and everything is canned. The groups are just far more energetic, and seem to connect better. I guess it's hard to have a performance that maintains the energy level when you're out there by yourself. The talking between songs is not as witty or natural either. When you are talking to a crowd the whole time, and can never talk to or about the other members of your group, I suppose it's hard to have a conversation. (Even though some of Ivan's stories were pretty funny, I will say that)
All in all, Ivan Parker was very good, but the Browders stole the show. They were funny, genuine, inspirational, and just flat out good. They did use some canned music, but also played 2 guitars, bass and keyboards on alot of thier songs. ( I highly recommend this group, if you haven't seen them)
I'd be interested in hearing what others thoughts are on the different dynamics between soloists and groups, whether they be families, quartets, trios, or what have you.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:07:47 AM
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Having done both I can tell you it is not the same standing out there by yourself. Energy feeds energy. Most groups play off each other. They get and receive energy from each other. Solist do not have that advantage.
Kirk Talley is one of the best I know at this and he will pick out a couple of people in the audience and play off them. But, this may not work for every solist.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:15:48 AM
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Yeah, I think you're right. That's exactly how it feels. A group is out there encouraging each other, and giving them that assist when they may start to lull.
I think you worded best what I saw last night.
Michael Combs is the only soloist that I have ever seen personally that can keep himself and the crowd energized.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:41:14 AM
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If you don't have some good folks in the crowd to play off of is is hard for a solo artist to keep up the energy that a live band does.
As a solo artist, while I love singing on the program with other groups it is usually no comparison in energy level when the other group is playing live music if they are any good at their craft.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:49:04 AM
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Kirk Talley is one of the best I know at this and he will pick out a couple of people in the audience and play off them. But, this may not work for every solist.
If you don't believe this, just ask my wife.
And he don't forget either. We ate at Tony's the other day and he was waiting tables. First thing he said to her when we walked in the door, 'Are you awake?'
He caught her asleep snoozing at the World Premier back in August when he was singing.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 12:18:31 PM
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I think Ivan would be well suited to either find a quartet to sing with, or start his own, a la brian free.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 1:40:32 PM
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I have heard Ivan sing many times when he was with Gold City & as a solist. There has never been a time that I was disapointed in his performance. When doing solist work I do not expect it to be the same as when singing with a group. I hope he continues doing just what he does.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 1:51:44 PM
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Me too Ruth. Although I am not generally a fan of solist there are a few I do like and Ivan Parker is one of them. I could sit and listen to him sing Midnight Cry all day long. With or without a group.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 4:30:47 PM
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I have never been crazy over soloist. But each to their own.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 4:33:34 PM
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 4:42:10 PM
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I don't know Santa. If it were not for Ivan Patrker, Kirk Talley, Tony Gore, Allison Durham Speer.............................
I probably would not like soloist either. Seriously I am a quartet man but I do like a few soloist.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 4:59:57 PM
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Few soloists can hold my attention for a long program. Larry Ford was one who could and, although she is not Southern Gospel, Sandy Patti is another one. Kirk Talley, as mentioned, can hold his own through a full program. I enjoy some of the aforementioned soloists, but have not heard them in a full program.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 5:23:55 PM
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Me too Ruth. Although I am not generally a fan of solist there are a few I do like and Ivan Parker is one of them. I could sit and listen to him sing Midnight Cry all day long. With or without a group.
Oh, no doubt. That song is wonderful. I also enjoyed "I Can Only Imagine", and many others. I didn't dislike his performance at all. It was just that with the group, actually playing instruments, and interacting, before him, that got me to thinking about the striking differences in quartets/groups and soloists.
I think with his emcee ability, which I could tell is good, he would do great as the leader of a quartet, where he could really let his personality and ability shine
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 5:31:30 PM
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I don't know Santa. If it were not for Ivan Patrker, Kirk Talley, Tony Gore, Allison Durham Speer.............................
I probably would not like soloist either. Seriously I am a quartet man but I do like a few soloist.
The only time I saw Tony Gore, it was Tony Gore and Majesty, but even then Tony did almost all of the singing. It seemed like Majesty was just a backup group really, but he was awfully good.
It's funny cause that was my first taste of canned music and it left me with a bad taste. I love Tony's Song "The Promised Land", but when they had 3 or 4 encores of the chorus pre-programmed, it took some of the feeling away from it for me. I had always been used to groups who would do 3 or 4 extra choruses like the Kingsmen, and they'd tell the band to do it again, or to keep going, where it seemed very spirit driven, and they kept doing it, because the Holy Spirit was moving, not because it was planned. Now it may have been planned with the Kingsmen, but didnt feel like it.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:29:09 PM
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I can only listen to soloists for a couple of songs. I told Clarke Beasley that I didn't think soloists belonged at the NQC because there are many good quartets who never get a chance on the center stage and should before soloists. I take nothing away from their talent. I just think they are boring. I see many of you like Mark Bishop. Nice guy, but his set at the NQC was sub-par. He belongs back singing back porch stuff with a couple of folks--hopefully Kenny.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/18/2008 11:56:45 PM
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I can only listen to soloists for a couple of songs. I told Clarke Beasley that I didn't think soloists belonged at the NQC because there are many good quartets who never get a chance on the center stage and should before soloists. I take nothing away from their talent. I just think they are boring. I see many of you like Mark Bishop. Nice guy, but his set at the NQC was sub-par. He belongs back singing back porch stuff with a couple of folks--hopefully Kenny.
upnorthguy, you're wrong about Mark Bishop. Did you know he writes ALL of his own songs? Maybe not all of them are great, but to put a whole project together by yourself takes a lot of time and energy. I didn't get a chance to see Mark on main stage at NQC, but when I saw him a few weeks ago, the house was packed . . . no one was bored. The MC that night said Mark drove NINE hours to get there - he didn't look tired. At half time, you couldn't get near his table - the line was too long. That alone is proof he is good, if people don't like what they hear they don't buy - those people loved him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone loves him. If he isn't your favorite that's okay, but please don't say he should stop singing or writing because he isn't your favorite. I can guarantee you one thing - there are a bunch of Missourians who love him. (Right Matt)?
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/19/2008 7:09:56 AM
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I think I'll chip in. I prefer group harmonies across the board in live concerts. This is even for soloists I enjoy hearing on CD. However, I do often enjoy listening to a soloist's CD.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/19/2008 9:58:57 AM
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I think I'll chip in. I prefer group harmonies across the board in live concerts. This is even for soloists I enjoy hearing on CD. However, I do often enjoy listening to a soloist's CD.
That is an excellent post. Very good point. On CD you don't have to worry about energy, or crowd, or anything. You are just working to put the best performance of each song on the disc.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/19/2008 10:01:48 AM
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I can only listen to soloists for a couple of songs. I told Clarke Beasley that I didn't think soloists belonged at the NQC because there are many good quartets who never get a chance on the center stage and should before soloists. I take nothing away from their talent. I just think they are boring. I see many of you like Mark Bishop. Nice guy, but his set at the NQC was sub-par. He belongs back singing back porch stuff with a couple of folks--hopefully Kenny.
I totally agree with your point about soloists at the National QUARTET convention.
I don't think family groups, trios, duos or any other arrangement should be there. It is the "Quartet" convention. I'd love to see them pack the whole time full of quartets.
If they want to promote a separate event for other arrangements, or take 1 day or something, during the week and call it something else.
That or change the name from National Quartet Convention, to National Southern Gospel Convention, or something like that.
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RE: Thoughts on Soloists vs. Groups - 10/19/2008 10:30:10 AM
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Come on guys. There is no one posting on here that is a bigger fan of an all male four part harmony quartet than I am. Although I have my favorites I will listen to any of them. In my opinion there is nothing prettier that a tight harmany done right by four men. But, lets look at this thing through history. Quartets started out with the sole purpose of selling songbooks. It evolved into Southern Gospel with quartets traveling and singing just for the singing with no books to sell. When Mr. Sumner and Mr. Blackwood started the NQC the vast majority of groups involved in Southern Gospel was male quartets. It was only natural to call it the National Quartet Convention. However, like Southern Gospel the conventions has evolved into what we have today. Change is not always bad. Had we limited things to male quartets think of all the greats we would have missed. The Spear Family, The Happy Goodmans, The Hinsons, The Rambos, and are you ready for this? Bill Gaither. Yes he started out as The Bill Gaither Trio. What would Southern Gopsel be like without these great family groups and trios. If you don't like the trios or duets or soloist simply don't listen to them. But please don't advocate leaving them all out. The industry would suffer greatly.
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