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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/29/2008 4:07:44 PM
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It's always been 200000.00
Really?
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At the National Urban League Annual Conference, Barack Obama states that he will not raise taxes on those who earn $250,000 per year.
Here it is on video.
How The One intends to not raise taxes while your tax bill goes up
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Loophole #1: Obama doesn't count allowing the Bush tax cuts to lapse as a tax increase. Unless the cuts are re-enacted, the rates will automatically return to the 2000 level. Obama claims that letting a tax cut lapse is not actually a tax increase. If you pay Federal income taxes, you will see an increase when Obama lets the Bush tax cuts expire.
If you’re married, file jointly and make $75,000 a year, this will cost you $3,074; make $50,000, it’ll cost you $1,512; make $25,000, it’ll cost you $715.
Okay two things........I will concede that I was wrong about the 250 thousand because I heard him say it.
Second I also read an article from a non bias website that compared M and O's tax plans and how it really will affect us all. I will look for it later and post it. I've googled my fingers to death in the last couple of days so It won't be right now. I saw something totally different. When I find it I will get the link.
With the loophole I saw though seriously the tax's to pay were not that much for the income. I pay taxes and maybe it just does not bother me to pay my taxes. I also get a refund every year and have ever since I was 15 with my first job.
I see it as if I go out and buy something I pay taxes. I pay taxes on the amount of money I spend on taxable items. I have to do it to get that item. I have to pay taxes on my payroll taxes. I just have too. I also have to pay taxes on my property taxes for my business, and quarterly taxes on my income from the business and regardless who is in office I still have to do that. I would much rather see a side by side comparasion of the two to see if I made a wrong judgement call.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/29/2008 4:11:58 PM
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I would much rather see a side by side comparasion of the two to see if I made a wrong judgement call.
I've been looking for that too.
But, I can be honest that no matter what, it would not sway me to vote for Obama.
I look at the facts of where how much they violate God's Word.
If Sarah Palin were on the top of the Democrat ticket, I would vote for her.
I'm an ultra-conservative which really means I'm an old fashioned bible thumper.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/29/2008 5:30:50 PM
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Okay two things........I will concede that I was wrong about the 250 thousand because I heard him say it.
You are a pleasure to speak with.
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Second I also read an article from a non bias website that compared M and O's tax plans and how it really will affect us all. I will look for it later and post it. I've googled my fingers to death in the last couple of days so It won't be right now. I saw something totally different. When I find it I will get the link.
I dont' think it is a secret that Obama would let the bush tax cuts expire combine that with the tax increases for the "rich" and what exactly is the burden for those people?
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With the loophole I saw though seriously the tax's to pay were not that much for the income. I pay taxes and maybe it just does not bother me to pay my taxes. I also get a refund every year and have ever since I was 15 with my first job.
so you don't think a family making $75k will miss an extra $3200? If you get a refund then you don't really have a dog in the fight do you? What about those of us who pay in and at the end of the year we break even or owe more?
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I see it as if I go out and buy something I pay taxes. I pay taxes on the amount of money I spend on taxable items. I have to do it to get that item. I have to pay taxes on my payroll taxes. I just have too. I also have to pay taxes on my property taxes for my business, and quarterly taxes on my income from the business and regardless who is in office I still have to do that. I would much rather see a side by side comparasion of the two to see if I made a wrong judgement call.
I have no problem paying taxes for teh essential jobs of government but i do have a problem paying more taxes so that the money that i worked my way through college and work hard for everyday can be redistributed
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/31/2008 5:31:52 PM
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"Spreading the wealth" apparently means you're selfish if you don't want the government to take what you worked for and give it to someone who didn't.
First off, someone should tell him a rising tide can't lift all boats when you're intentionally sinking some (especially ones that keep many others afloat). And secondly, before he accuses other people of being "selfish" for not wanting the government to take their money, he should take a look at who gives what to charity, and, for that matter, who doesn't (his own tax returns indicate he never gave more than 1% until after he became a Senator).
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/31/2008 6:48:58 PM
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New audio found of his redistribution of wealth from 2001.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
If you're interested in what he actually had to say and not some soundbites edited to be grossly out of context, try this: http://apps.wbez.org/blog/?p=639
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 6:25:29 AM
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And here's McCain on it in 2000:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/22/mccain-2000-tax-cuts/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15Iqs5W8KA
OK and wat has changed? The wealthy will still pay somewhat more than the non and he IS proposing tax cuts for EVERYONE. He even slipped in a "tax cut" for the bottom rungs who don't technically pay taxes anyway since it is refunded at the end of the year.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 8:00:39 AM
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It seems the dems have been moving us toward socialism and away from capitalism for a long time. This morning as I was driving to work I stumbled across BBC America and listened to a show about environmentalism. The show featured a scholar who spoke about how we need to rethink our globla economy and move away from capitalism, the core of English speaking nations, and move toward environmentalism. He described economic environmentalism as thinking about the environment in producing wealth and producing waste. As the earth is finite and the resources we use to produce wealth come from the earth and then the waste of that production is returned to the environment, we need to achieve a balance where we live within our means.
On the surface, everything he says makes sense. He even spoke about spirituality. Yet, it's these human systems we keep producing that fail us time after time. Academics tend to leave God out of the equation and dismiss Jesus Christ entirely. Too many in the academic world seem to truly believe they are one day older than God and twice as smart.
There is an attack on capitalism. It's been made pertty clear in the latest presidential election as Obama opened his mouth and said he wanted to redistribute wealth. Yet, it's been a part of presidential politics throughout my brief lifetime. Al Gore is a socialist too. Only he uses the title environmentalist. It sems like the democrats want us to fall in line and be controlled by the isms, the altars of mankind. They want to kill drive and initiative and set themselves up to be the sugar daddy who will meet all of our needs. We need God, not government. And since we haven't been too good as individuals at following God, they're going to give us government.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 8:32:34 AM
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Enviromentalism is socialism.
My fave bumper sticker still describes democrats perfectly...
I was a democrat..until I got a job.
Life isn't easy. It was never meant to be easy since the Fall. When you have a presidential candidate promising a better life for you, on the backs of others, run. He does not want a better life for YOU.
He wants to control you. This...is socialism. This...is wealth redistribution.
Lets be real here. There is a better way to aquire wealth...
earn it. Keep it. Spend it so others can prosper. Its a simple equation.
Remember, we are promised by our founding principles to have opportunity here in the good ol' USA...not outcomes. The less struggle..the less joy in life. Charity should be the last resort, not the first.
Shame baby...we need shame once agian in this nation. What ever happened to our pioneer spirit?
Socialism. What right does a government have to take from those who earn it by gunpoint ( taxation ) and give it to others who do not? This practice not only encourages dependency, it punishes success.
Its not logical.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 3:41:43 PM
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People are born different. Some have distinct advantages due to their circumstances, others distinct disadvantages.
I don't see a problem with attempting to mitigate the problems that arise out of this paradigm.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 3:44:40 PM
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People are born different. Some have distinct advantages due to their circumstances, others distinct disadvantages.
I don't see a problem with attempting to mitigate the problems that arise out of this paradigm.
Most don't who are on the receiving end of the handout...
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 3:46:44 PM
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Most don't who are on the receiving end of the handout...
What is it with you and ellipses?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/1/2008 3:51:04 PM
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I am rather saddened that in this discussion the Word of God gets such a short shrift. The story of Nehemiah clearly shows that God orders a redistribution of wealth downward when the rich are guilty of one of the seven cardinal sins, greed. Even Joe the Plumber would tell you that if the pipes are flowing the wrong way, you need to take decisive action to reverse the flow ( I imagine Joe the Plumber would agree). In the Biblical case, God uses government to deliver his judgment and mercy. To disagree with this would be blaspheming the Word of God.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 1:03:15 AM
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Most don't who are on the receiving end of the handout...
What is it with you and ellipses?
HEY I DO THAT TOO.....
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 8:44:28 AM
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Most don't who are on the receiving end of the handout...
What is it with you and ellipses?
ellipses...
what ellipses...?
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I am rather saddened that in this discussion the Word of God gets such a short shrift. The story of Nehemiah clearly shows that God orders a redistribution of wealth downward when the rich are guilty of one of the seven cardinal sins, greed. Even Joe the Plumber would tell you that if the pipes are flowing the wrong way, you need to take decisive action to reverse the flow ( I imagine Joe the Plumber would agree). In the Biblical case, God uses government to deliver his judgment and mercy. To disagree with this would be blaspheming the Word of God.
But there are a lot of rich who are not greedy, but have gotten there because God has blessed them. And there are a lot of rich who are there because they are greedy, including rich Christians (i.e. certain mega-church pastors who get out of paying taxes).
The solution isn't government...
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 5:54:06 PM
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Okay two things........I will concede that I was wrong about the 250 thousand because I heard him say it.
You are a pleasure to speak with.
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Second I also read an article from a non bias website that compared M and O's tax plans and how it really will affect us all. I will look for it later and post it. I've googled my fingers to death in the last couple of days so It won't be right now. I saw something totally different. When I find it I will get the link.
I dont' think it is a secret that Obama would let the bush tax cuts expire combine that with the tax increases for the "rich" and what exactly is the burden for those people?
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With the loophole I saw though seriously the tax's to pay were not that much for the income. I pay taxes and maybe it just does not bother me to pay my taxes. I also get a refund every year and have ever since I was 15 with my first job.
so you don't think a family making $75k will miss an extra $3200? If you get a refund then you don't really have a dog in the fight do you? What about those of us who pay in and at the end of the year we break even or owe more?
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I see it as if I go out and buy something I pay taxes. I pay taxes on the amount of money I spend on taxable items. I have to do it to get that item. I have to pay taxes on my payroll taxes. I just have too. I also have to pay taxes on my property taxes for my business, and quarterly taxes on my income from the business and regardless who is in office I still have to do that. I would much rather see a side by side comparasion of the two to see if I made a wrong judgement call.
I have no problem paying taxes for teh essential jobs of government but i do have a problem paying more taxes so that the money that i worked my way through college and work hard for everyday can be redistributed
Thank you.
I posted a link that did a side by side comparrision a couple of days ago and NO ONE except one replied to it. So I'll look and see about bumping it.
I work hard for my money too buy don't agree that a family making 75 grand is paying that much. I respectfully agree to disagree.
I know I get more credits than someone who does not have children. But even with those credits it helps but does not cover it all. My kids are expensive and that does not even cover the "extras" for them. And I don't spoil them (well we all do sometimes but you know my point).
My parents have not had to file a tax return for about 10 years now? Maybe less but they paid there dues and every month have put money from there earnings to cover there taxes. Sometimes I wish they would still file taxes because the cost of there medications alone would bring them a refund. But it is what it is. My parents are on a fixed income getting a very small pension from the SB convintion and there SS that it is. Us kids help pick up the slack from them for what they can not afford. SO maybe now you pay more taxes but when (and I'm sorry if I'm assuming right now) your deducitons leave home and don't have the deductions that are allowed then should you not pay taxes on that? I've been both places with and without deductions and either way I just did what I was told by the IRS to do.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 6:10:47 PM
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I know I get more credits than someone who does not have children. But even with those credits it helps but does not cover it all. My kids are expensive and that does not even cover the "extras" for them. And I don't spoil them (well we all do sometimes but you know my point).
Tax returns and credits are not for raising your children, that is what your paycheck is for. How much do you actually pay in taxes? I mean come tax return time do you get back more than you pay in? If so then you are already benefiting from the current system. How much more should others have to pay so that barack's tax cuts to people who don't actually pay taxes can get back more?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 6:14:48 PM
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Most don't who are on the receiving end of the handout...
What is it with you and ellipses?
I guess the big issue would be what we considered the helpless to be...
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 6:16:38 PM
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I know I get more credits than someone who does not have children. But even with those credits it helps but does not cover it all. My kids are expensive and that does not even cover the "extras" for them. And I don't spoil them (well we all do sometimes but you know my point).
Tax returns and credits are not for raising your children, that is what your paycheck is for. How much do you actually pay in taxes? I mean come tax return time do you get back more than you pay in? If so then you are already benefiting from the current system. How much more should others have to pay so that barack's tax cuts to people who don't actually pay taxes can get back more?
Great points...
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 6:28:20 PM
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Yeah, and God also said, You don't work, you don't eat, 2 Thes 3:10. Can you please give the verse in Neh where he said There should be a redistribution of wealth to the poor??? I'd like to see it. Yes, God does use gov to deliver judgement and mercy, BUT He also demands that we WORK for a living, not expecting the gov to hand us money so we can sit all day watching TV.
I think we all need to remember that spreading the wealth means ALL wealth, not just those who make over $100,000 a year. So Joe the Plumber will have to step up to the plate also. You make $25,000 a year? Guess what dear, some of that mulla belongs to the gove. It may be just 5%, maybe 10%, but still they WILL take some of it. you may lose a good $100 bucks out of your paycheck. For those of us who do work, that's alot of money.
Again, this is Obama's communist ideals. Remember, you vote for Obama, you sleep with him. If he gets elected, don't you DARE come to this website whinning and complaining b/c he's taking some of your money. We'll tell you, we warned you!!.
And also remember, it's the electorial votes that elect the president, not our votes.
And may I also add, I won't have Obama take some of MY money to give to those who won't work, when I can give it to the Kingdom of God. I won't let him decide what to do with my money. And as for not being Christian enough by not accepting spreading the wealth, may I also add, it's the church that mostly takes care of the poor, they're doing a much better job than Obama ever could.
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I am rather saddened that in this discussion the Word of God gets such a short shrift. The story of Nehemiah clearly shows that God orders a redistribution of wealth downward when the rich are guilty of one of the seven cardinal sins, greed. Even Joe the Plumber would tell you that if the pipes are flowing the wrong way, you need to take decisive action to reverse the flow ( I imagine Joe the Plumber would agree). In the Biblical case, God uses government to deliver his judgment and mercy. To disagree with this would be blaspheming the Word of God.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 6:54:17 PM
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I know I get more credits than someone who does not have children. But even with those credits it helps but does not cover it all. My kids are expensive and that does not even cover the "extras" for them. And I don't spoil them (well we all do sometimes but you know my point).
Tax returns and credits are not for raising your children, that is what your paycheck is for. How much do you actually pay in taxes? I mean come tax return time do you get back more than you pay in? If so then you are already benefiting from the current system. How much more should others have to pay so that barack's tax cuts to people who don't actually pay taxes can get back more?
I have a question. I asked this on another forum, but I didn't get an answer. Doesn't McCain want to double the child tax credit? I'm not sure if this is correct, but I think I have read that somewhere. If he doubles the child tax credit, wouldn't more people receive more money then they actually pay in. I'm very confused and would hope someone could clear this up for me. Thanks!
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 11/2/2008 7:20:53 PM
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Hi Steph, yeah, he wants to double the tax credit, but I'm not for sure if they would get back more than they put in. It is a credit, so maybe they would get more than putting in? I'm not for sure.
I also want to say about spreading the wealth, I work for accountants that make over $100,000 a year. They are partners to the firm. If Obama becomes president and he takes 40% of what the partners make, where will that leave me??? Out on the streets or at the unemployment line. If they can't make enough money to keep me on, then why keep me on? So what will Obama do? Bleed the rich until they are no longer rich and poor me can't find a job b/c no one can afford to hire anyone. So I get to sit at home waiting for Obama's check. Yeah, that sounds great. 
So why can't the rich be brought down to the poor man's level? Who are you to make that decision? I see how hard these partners work, almost 13 hours a day including the weekends. So why in the world should they work so hard if they can't get the money? Yeh!! Then we can become like the Soviet Union, everyone going no where. What a wonderful country. I really wish the Obama fans would take the stars out of their eyes and think of how this would harm America in the long run. No one would benefit, except of course, those sitting at home twiddling their thumbs while waiting for the next gov check. How would such a plan work in the long run? Look at communist countries, that's how it would work. Think a year from now, two years from now, 10 years from now. What a wonderful country, no one making money, the economy in a dump and us standing in line for potatoes while waiting for someone to become rich so we can take their money. Sounds good!!!
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