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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 11:44:25 AM
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SonInMe1
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He disguised his socialism as environmentalism.
Exactly...he had to resort to subterfuge ( sp ) to get his liberalism in.
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some are liking this rhetoric that they think will benefit them
Jesus said we will always have poor amungst us. Those who seek to be taken care of...get what they ask for.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 12:21:49 PM
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FreddieD
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Do the Castro's know you have internet access and that you're talking with all these capitalists Freddie?
No, but the English, French, German, Dutch, and Dames do.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 12:44:23 PM
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Do the Castro's know you have internet access and that you're talking with all these capitalists Freddie?
No, but the English, French, German, Dutch, and Dames do.
FreddieD
So, what country are you actually in, Freddie?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 12:50:46 PM
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FreddieD
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So, what country are you actually in, Freddie?
I didn't say I was in any of them, but socialism is.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 1:17:39 PM
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So, what country are you actually in, Freddie?
I didn't say I was in any of them, but socialism is.
FreddieD
And you want us to be like them?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 5:57:57 PM
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Obama is the first true liberal to run for president who is not ashamed of what he believes. I'll give him credit for that....
and take it back because the only way he can accomplish this feat is with a certain skin pigment.
If Obama was white, he could never get away with bieng a socialist candidate for president. No one else has in the last 30+ years.
The only other reason why Obama can be "out" is the hatred of Bush....and I think that is overblown...and hypocritical since Bush is more liberal than conservative....and he is not running against Obama.
Mondale? Dukakis? Kerry? Gore? All had more experience and leadership abilities than Obama. Clinton, the "great democrat" was a moderate...at best. How can Obama get away with it?
I don't think he can. I think his socialist agenda still falls on deaf ears to the majority of people in the USA. Class envy. Blame the other guy. Easy solutions. No plan.
Ditto, well said.
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Can liberalism really win? No.
I disagree with that. I look at what types of candidates conservatives have been endorsing the last couple of elections and I'd say they've already won.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:00:18 PM
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FreddieD
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And you want us to be like them?
It works!
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:01:12 PM
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No it doesn't.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:11:26 PM
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FreddieD
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No it doesn't.
It works for the English, French, German, Dutch, and Dames etc. etc. etc.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:42:33 PM
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It's really hard to pretend to be something you're not, so every now and then the true "you" slips out. I'm not surprised at this slip up by Obama.  I just hope more Americans are aware of this little slip and will take the time to investigate further to learn more about the man.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:51:53 PM
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It's really hard to pretend to be something you're not, so every now and then the true "you" slips out. I'm not surprised at this slip up by Obama. I just hope more Americans are aware of this little slip and will take the time to investigate further to learn more about the man.
What are you talking about?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:55:30 PM
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If I have to explain it to you...LOL. The true Obama is a Marxist/socialist. He's trying to come across as moderate which he's NOT. So therefore, he slips up like he did with his "redistributing the wealth" comment.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 6:57:25 PM
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No it doesn't.
It works for the English, French, German, Dutch, and Dames etc. etc. etc.
FreddieD
Dames
Serious question here, is this another word for Danes? Are the Danish called Dames in other areas? Or is this another country?
(sorry if it's off topic a bit, but I'm really curious)
For on topic, I've never cared for the phrase 'spread the wealth around'. Partly because I'd much prefer to work for anything I get and don't understand how/why anyone would think differently. *shrug*
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 7:10:10 PM
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"Spread the wealth around..."
What it means to those who don't drink the kool-aid:
Obama will raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS making over $250K (about 5% of the population) and lower taxes for those making less that $250K (about 95% of the population)
Those who do not file taxes (i.e. those not working or earning any income) will NOT get any additional monies thus you must have an income and have taxes withheld in order to benefit from Obama's tax plan.
If you own a large corporation and refuse to offer your employees healthcare coverage, your business will be fined and your employees will have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
If you own a small business and cannot afford to provide healthcare coverage to your employees, you will NOT be fined. Your employees will also have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
If you currently have healthcare through your employer will get a tax credit for providing you healthcare coverage so your portion of coverage may go down. You keep your coverage and your doctors
Under Obama's plan your healthcare deductions will remain pre-tax.
What is means to the kool-aid drinkers:
Obama will dismantle our capitalistic system and force employers to pay everyone the same regardless or skill level or experience;
Obama will send out military officials that will go to your house and take your money at gunpoint and give it to someone who refuses to work.
Obama will dismantle our constitution and set up a dictatorship;
Obama will eliminate all private healthcare companies and set up a socialized healthcare system like Canada or Europe forcing Americans to give up their private healthcare providers.
The communist manifesto will be required reading in elementary schools.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 7:57:02 PM
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Obama will raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS making over $250K (about 5% of the population) and
lower taxes for those making less that $250K (about 95% of the population)
Which will be good because you'll need the "lower" taxes to pay for the increased cost of everything and your lost job because your company's taxes went through the roof.
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Those who do not file taxes (i.e. those not working or earning any income) will NOT get any additional monies thus you must have an income and have taxes withheld in order to benefit from Obama's tax plan.
So instead of getting bigger refund checks, you'll have to turn to government programs to make up for the increased cost of everything and your lost job (see above) and you'll conveniently become even more dependant on the goverment . . . but for those not even paying into the system, you probably already like that.
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If you own a large corporation and refuse to offer your employees healthcare coverage, your business will be fined and your employees will have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
And your former employees (laid off because you can't afford the taxes and fees and fines) will be forced into this government program, a precursor to the full blown socialist health care coming down the pike, where their health care will be "managed" (ie denied by beuracrats) so they can't get indigent treatment the way they have been in the ER on my dime anyway.
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If you own a small business and cannot afford to provide healthcare coverage to your employees, you will NOT be fined. Your employees will also have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
And their health care will be managed about as well as everything else the federal government does. Again, one step closer to going from a country with the world's best health care for the VAST majority to mediocre to dismal healthcare for ALL like so many other socialist countries around the world. We're trading "liberty and justice for all" to "misery and repression for all".
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/19/2008 10:15:33 PM
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Evangel70
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Obama will raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS making over $250K (about 5% of the population) and
lower taxes for those making less that $250K (about 95% of the population)
Which will be good because you'll need the "lower" taxes to pay for the increased cost of everything and your lost job because your company's taxes went through the roof.
csl, you can thank the increased cost of everything on the current economic recession. Obama doesn't plan on raising the 33% corporate tax so your company won't be paying any more taxes than they do now. Now if your corporate executives are taxing home more than $250K a year, THEY and NOT the company are the ones paying the tax.
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Those who do not file taxes (i.e. those not working or earning any income) will NOT get any additional monies thus you must have an income and have taxes withheld in order to benefit from Obama's tax plan.
So instead of getting bigger refund checks, you'll have to turn to government programs to make up for the increased cost of everything and your lost job (see above) and you'll conveniently become even more dependant on the goverment . . . but for those not even paying into the system, you probably already like that.
Again, the increased cause of everything will be a by-product of the BUSH administration. I could be wrong here, but I don't believe those taking home over $250K a year are exactly living paycheck-to-paycheck. The additional $700 or $800 they will have to pay will probably not even be noticed. I hadly think that will make them dependent on the goverment.
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If you own a large corporation and refuse to offer your employees healthcare coverage, your business will be fined and your employees will have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
And your former employees (laid off because you can't afford the taxes and fees and fines) will be forced into this government program, a precursor to the full blown socialist health care coming down the pike, where their health care will be "managed" (ie denied by beuracrats) so they can't get indigent treatment the way they have been in the ER on my dime anyway.
So you believe a company grossing, say $10 million of profits a year with 100 employees should not be penalized for keeping their profits and not offering their employees any medical benefits? You would rather have these 100 employees and their families use the ER as their primary care provider so that your tax dollars go to good use?
Giving employees the option to buy affordable healthcare through, Anthem, or Cigna, or United Healthcare or Healthsouth is NOT the same as getting rid private healthcare for a medicare-like program. Since you're going to end up paying for this care one way or another, wouldn't you rather have an employer pick up part of the tab than having all uninsured care be on YOUR dime?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 4:29:32 AM
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There is a way to spread the wealth around that does not involve the government.
Get a job.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 5:20:55 AM
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I just had a scary thought.
Under Obama's tax raises, does that mean private educational institution's taxes would go up too?
I'm pretty sure that our institution may have religious tax exemption, but then again, it may not.
It's already struggling, but under Obama, it appears it would struggle more.
Not fair to those who want to spread the truth of the Gospel.
Folks, get ready. Christian persecution is coming to America. Hebrews 12 remains my encouragement.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 7:02:41 AM
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So you believe a company grossing, say $10 million of profits a year with 100 employees should not be penalized for keeping their profits and not offering their employees any medical benefits? You would rather have these 100 employees and their families use the ER as their primary care provider so that your tax dollars go to good use?
Giving employees the option to buy affordable healthcare through, Anthem, or Cigna, or United Healthcare or Healthsouth is NOT the same as getting rid private healthcare for a medicare-like program. Since you're going to end up paying for this care one way or another, wouldn't you rather have an employer pick up part of the tab than having all uninsured care be on YOUR dime?
This bugs me. I have never in my life had to go without health insurance - and I don't get this. Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
Furthermore, dh really thought, about six months ago, that there was a good chance he'd be getting laid off. Thank God he didn't but found a new job anyway because he had to get out of the one he had because he was miserable. But we looked into buying insurance in case the layoff happened - for a family of four it was not that bad. I saw rates from $250-$500/mo that were really decent plans....less than most people's car payments! I refuse to use my tax money for health care for people who just choose instead to blow their money on cars and toys.
The only legitimate "issue" with health insurance in this country should be the coverage of people with serious pre-existing conditions. There does need to be a pool-type situation for the high risk situations something like what we've had to do in Florida to insure homes in high-risk locations.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 8:28:32 AM
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If you own a large corporation and refuse to offer your employees healthcare coverage, your business will be fined and your employees will have the option of getting healthcare through a nationalized program.
Two points here:
1. BO won't define what is meant by a small business so I'm not sure what he means by a large corporation; could be just about any size since he won't define it.
2. If these "large" corporations are forced to provide health insurance one of two scenarios will evolve:
a) There will be job layoffs to cover the additional costs or
b} There will be pay cuts to cover the additional costs.
Either way the result is the same.....more dependence on big government!!
If I work for a small company will I be able to refuse the national insurance and get my own?
Will it be cheaper for the "large" corps to pay the fine instead of getting the insurance?
You do realize that if they buy the insurance then they can deduct it from their taxes as an employee benefit thereby reducing their tax liability and, as a result, will pay even less tax than they do now.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 8:32:17 AM
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Obama will raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS making over $250K (about 5% of the population) and lower taxes for those making less that $250K (about 95% of the population)
If you believe this I have some land I would like to sale you.
If the economy is going down so will the number of individuals making over $250K. That means he will have even "fewer" people in that pool to tax. Where will the money come from? What about the six figure jobs lost on wall street and those people are currently on unemployment....meaning they now "cost" the system and have no money to pay in taxes.
Spreading the wealth around means the most productive members of society are going to be punished while the least productive are rewarded.
It means people in the middle class will hit a "brick wall" in their attempts to improve their lot in life and they will even see their standard of living decrease and inflation eats up their buying power.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 8:33:55 AM
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2. If these "large" corporations are forced to provide health insurance one of two scenarios will evolve:
a) There will be job layoffs to cover the additional costs or
b} There will be pay cuts to cover the additional costs.
Either way the result is the same.....more dependence on big government!!
Is there also a
c; involved here. Increase in the prices?
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