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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 8:43:35 AM
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Pavteam
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I think every CEO or anyone who employs other people in this country needs to send an open letter to all their employees explaining what will really happen if/when they get their taxes jacked up by Obama...they need to outline the options that leaves the company - none of which will be pretty for employees or consumers.
You know the other day there was a Black gentleman a former CEO of a Pizza Company - Godfather's Pizza - Herman Cain - on TV being interviewed. He had a whole list of CEO/former CEO's of companies who say that Obama's plan is WRONG for America. He pointed out that ALL of Obamas economic advisers are politicians or Academia. NONE have EVER had to make/meet payroll in their life! McCain on the other hand has economic Advisers who have had to meet/make payroll - they know what it takes and is all about.
Check this out!
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=jIzJHAw8Vmo
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 9:47:40 AM
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I like Herman Caine. I wish I'd seen that. What channel was he on? That's very interesting.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:04:09 AM
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Herman Cain has a radio show here in Atlanta, but I'm not sure if he's syndicated to otehr markets yet.
I always enjoy him, this is a man who has had success in business and knows what he's talking about....
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:06:32 AM
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http://www.hermancain.com/
Do yall see the name of his book?
"They Think You are Stupid".
ROFL
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:19:05 AM
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It's straight out of the Communist Manifesto.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need”
My concern is that, in the U.S., today with our current government; this would actual play out as "“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his want” and that's why it's destined to fail.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:30:29 AM
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Obama will raise taxes on INDIVIDUALS making over $250K (about 5% of the population) and lower taxes for those making less that $250K (about 95% of the population)
If you believe this I have some land I would like to sale you.
If the economy is going down so will the number of individuals making over $250K. That means he will have even "fewer" people in that pool to tax. Where will the money come from? What about the six figure jobs lost on wall street and those people are currently on unemployment....meaning they now "cost" the system and have no money to pay in taxes.
Spreading the wealth around means the most productive members of society are going to be punished while the least productive are rewarded.
It means people in the middle class will hit a "brick wall" in their attempts to improve their lot in life and they will even see their standard of living decrease and inflation eats up their buying power.
Seems to me that giving 95% of the people some extra, really amounts to nothing. Because once everyone (95%) gets the bump, pricing adjusts to it and in no time you have zero increase in buying power.
And by getting the increase from the other 5% via taxes, what they equates to for the 95% is a heightening of the barrier between the 95% and the 5%.
So at the end of the day, all that's occurred is the 95% is no better off and the barrier keeping anyone in the 95% from moving into the 5% has been strengthened. So the 5% interests are protected and the 95% "think" they've been rewarded.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:34:27 AM
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I like Herman Caine. I wish I'd seen that. What channel was he on? That's very interesting.
You can watch it here -
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=jIzJHAw8Vmo
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:36:22 AM
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It's straight out of the Communist Manifesto.
“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need”
My concern is that, in the U.S., today with our current government; this would actual play out as "“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his want” and that's why it's destined to fail.
That is true. A lot of people don't understand the difference between wants and needs. Woe to all of us when they have to find out the difference.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:45:06 AM
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Need: Food, Water, Shelter, Clothing,
Wants: verity of food, bottled watter, multi bedroom,bath house, brand name clothes and enought to never ware the same outfit twice in the same month, entertainment systems, cars for each driver, oh make those Green cars, and make the house green as well etc.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/20/2008 10:47:12 AM
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So at the end of the day, all that's occurred is the 95% is no better off and the barrier keeping anyone in the 95% from moving into the 5% has been strengthened. So the 5% interests are protected and the 95% "think" they've been rewarded.
I agree. Been in contact with our team of FA trying to see what restructering we need to do or think about doing -- they are saying pretty much the same thing you just said.
What Obama's real goal is ... and has to be "if" he wants things to go "his way" is to tax our net worth not just our income.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/21/2008 9:01:28 PM
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This bugs me. I have never in my life had to go without health insurance - and I don't get this. Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting.
$700 billion bailout----it doing a real good job!
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 12:25:21 AM
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I think every CEO or anyone who employs other people in this country needs to send an open letter to all their employees explaining what will really happen if/when they get their taxes jacked up by Obama...they need to outline the options that leaves the company - none of which will be pretty for employees or consumers.
You know the other day there was a Black gentleman a former CEO of a Pizza Company - Godfather's Pizza - Herman Cain - on TV being interviewed. He had a whole list of CEO/former CEO's of companies who say that Obama's plan is WRONG for America. He pointed out that ALL of Obamas economic advisers are politicians or Academia. NONE have EVER had to make/meet payroll in their life! McCain on the other hand has economic Advisers who have had to meet/make payroll - they know what it takes and is all about.
Check this out!
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=jIzJHAw8Vmo
Thank you. Thanks for confirming what I posted in another thread. When I was in college over 20 years ago, I recall an article I read by a much older man who was bemoaning the state of business at the time. The man had been a businessman his entire life (I wish I could remember his name) and wrote about the fact that American business was not etting the desired product form the colleges and universities because those who were teaching business had no real world experience in business. The business teachers came from high school, to college, to grad school to teaching college courses.
As a criminal justince student I saw this in that my advisor was a retired cop. The other professors in my department had no experience in the field, but knew the book knowledge. The other professors tended to have very liberal views on social issues and would grade papers according to their political perspective. My advisor, on the other hand, was able to share his real worl experience with the theoretical material he was teaching and did not grade students on their right or left leanings on social issues.
I think this gets gto the heart of what an "elitist" is.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 2:09:15 PM
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A quote from Abe Lincoln.
"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland" (April 18, 1864), p. 301-302.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 2:15:50 PM
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You can't live without socialism, and that has already been proven.
Where in the world do you think socialism 'works'?, and why would you say is is neccesary?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 2:38:18 PM
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Spreading the wealth around is simply Marxist socialism.
Thanx StephK and NoShow for the Karl Marx quote and the updated, Americanized quote.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:21:15 PM
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“The truth is, in order to get universal health care and revamped education, then someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.” ~ Michele Obama
Miami Obama Rally: Supporters Demand Piece of the Pie
I guess wanting some pie is the new euphemism. I wonder if Michelle will give up her lobster, Iranian caviar and Champaign so others can get their pie too. 
The condescending hypocrisy here makes me sick. She can keep her stupid socialist health care and I've sworn to keep my children as far away from government education as possible....that's not my pie! It's a ginormous assumption that the "pie" she's offering (force feeding us) is something we want. This absolutely makes my head spin.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:27:37 PM
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How dare you even think that their children would have to suffer in the poor inner city Chicago schools like the common people. 
Also makes me wonder what kind of health care plan they have in the U.S. Senate.
I remember reading somewhere that McCain refused to take the best plan.
I do know that Ron Paul did.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:39:47 PM
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It is hypocritical.
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Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:43:19 PM
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It is hypocritical.
OK, people, do take a few seconds to click on that link - it'll make you insane. I love hearing her, of all people, a hospital administrator paid in the six figures, complain about health care. I'm sure we're looking at another Hillary-care . . . they've not talked about it, but I'd bet Michele will put herself right in charge of health care "reform" if they get to the White House. Hopefully we can dodge the Michele-care bullet too but with the Democrats controlling everything down to the dog catcher in DC, I doubt it.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:45:20 PM
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2. If these "large" corporations are forced to provide health insurance one of two scenarios will evolve:
a) There will be job layoffs to cover the additional costs or
b} There will be pay cuts to cover the additional costs.
Either way the result is the same.....more dependence on big government!!
Is there also a
c; involved here. Increase in the prices?
My bad but once the consumers quit paying the higher prices they will reduce the price and do a or b
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:49:02 PM
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This bugs me. I have never in my life had to go without health insurance - and I don't get this. Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting.
$700 billion bailout----it doing a real good job!
FreddieD
If the government had stayed out of it from the beginning it would have done so; as it is the government never should have done the bailout....let 'em sink.....it would have been better for the economy in the long run
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