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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 4:57:40 PM
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csl7037
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OK, it took me working up a lot of nerve to click on that Barney Frank link. He makes me sick.
Time for a dose of what?!?!? Cajunism - is that what he said? Someone translate, please.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 5:07:08 PM
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OK, it took me working up a lot of nerve to click on that Barney Frank link. He makes me sick.
Time for a dose of what?!?!? Cajunism - is that what he said? Someone translate, please.
I think he said "Keynesianism", referring to Keynesian economics. Basically he hopes to stimulate the economy by encouraging spending. He's clearly advocating more deficit spending to fuel that, and make up for it later by taxing whatever "rich" people he can get his hands on.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 8:36:09 PM
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What does spread the wealth around mean to me?
It means a politician can buy the votes of fear filled, irresponsible people.
It means that people will sell their integrity for the promise of daddy government.
It means if you can make an enemy of a group, you can control another group.
It means Matthew 6 is a lie.
If this political gamble succeeds it will further divide our nation along racial lines. You cannot call the rich evil as a black man and not mean evil white people.
Its a sad sad day.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/22/2008 10:28:58 PM
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 1:51:58 PM
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davemiller7
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Key lime for me!
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 2:22:41 PM
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Contrast the "economic advisors"
McCain's advisors = CEO's or ex-CEO's
Obama's advisors = Politicians or Academics {who have never made a payroll}
One "creates jobs." The other "spreads the wealth."
Spread the wealth? Label what you want it = socialism.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 2:45:57 PM
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Hopefully in the last two weeks, this will create some measure of concern among enough Americans to tip this thing away from Obama.
Hey, we can wish, right?
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 3:35:52 PM
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Lapidoth
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Sending my wish up in prayer.
Give me McCain/Palin for the good of us all.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 3:37:42 PM
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Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
WHY?!? I just wish someone would tell me how and why: Employers who seen financially able and decided to provide health and other benefits to their employees as a bonus, gift, fringe benefit, and etc. had it turned around to the point it is no longer a volunteer action --- it is now expected --- "employee's demand" these things. This is WRONG!!! It is also why health-care, meds, eye and dental cost are so out of sight. Employers need to get out of the insurance business. Why do you think so many companies went over seas? Companies ran their own business without insurance companies until the late 60's early 70's --- it's not that long ago folks, not even 50 years ago; this is 2008 A.D. --- what did all those people do before there was health insurance? 
Sorry, bad subject.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 3:38:38 PM
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I'll give you an "AMEN" on that!
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Sending my wish up in prayer.
Give me McCain/Palin for the good of us all.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 3:51:41 PM
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csl7037
Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
WHY?!? I just wish someone would tell me how and why: Employers who seen financially able and decided to provide health and other benefits to their employees as a bonus, gift, fringe benefit, and etc. had it turned around to the point it is no longer a volunteer action --- it is now expected --- "employee's demand" these things. This is WRONG!!! It is also why health-care, meds, eye and dental cost are so out of sight. Employers need to get out of the insurance business. Why do you think so many companies went over seas? Companies ran their own business without insurance companies until the late 60's early 70's --- it's not that long ago folks, not even 50 years ago; this is 2008 A.D. --- what did all those people do before there was health insurance?
Sorry, bad subject.
Health insurance didn't cost an "arm" and a "leg" back then.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 4:03:21 PM
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csl7037
Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
WHY?!? I just wish someone would tell me how and why: Employers who seen financially able and decided to provide health and other benefits to their employees as a bonus, gift, fringe benefit, and etc. had it turned around to the point it is no longer a volunteer action --- it is now expected --- "employee's demand" these things. This is WRONG!!! It is also why health-care, meds, eye and dental cost are so out of sight. Employers need to get out of the insurance business. Why do you think so many companies went over seas? Companies ran their own business without insurance companies until the late 60's early 70's --- it's not that long ago folks, not even 50 years ago; this is 2008 A.D. --- what did all those people do before there was health insurance?
Sorry, bad subject.
Health insurance didn't cost an "arm" and a "leg" back then.
Health insurance began in the 1920's at Baylor Hospital in Dallas. It began as a nonprofit organization for poor people called "the Blues" and eventually developed into Blue Cross. Health insurance as we know it now developed from this concept but was offered by companies in the 40's who were trying to get around wage controls by offering "benefits". At this point the insurance companies were still all non profit, but that slowly began to change and by the early 80's a little over 10% were for profit. This scheme (for lack of a better word) quickly escalated into the problems we have now as by the late 90's nearly 70% of insurance companies were for profit.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/23/2008 4:51:47 PM
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I remember insurance was fairly reasonable up until the HMO fiasco started - thanx, Ted Kennedy, et. al. We could pick our own doctors, etc. Then the wheels started coming off...........
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csl7037
Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
WHY?!? I just wish someone would tell me how and why: Employers who seen financially able and decided to provide health and other benefits to their employees as a bonus, gift, fringe benefit, and etc. had it turned around to the point it is no longer a volunteer action --- it is now expected --- "employee's demand" these things. This is WRONG!!! It is also why health-care, meds, eye and dental cost are so out of sight. Employers need to get out of the insurance business. Why do you think so many companies went over seas? Companies ran their own business without insurance companies until the late 60's early 70's --- it's not that long ago folks, not even 50 years ago; this is 2008 A.D. --- what did all those people do before there was health insurance?
Sorry, bad subject.
Health insurance didn't cost an "arm" and a "leg" back then.
Health insurance began in the 1920's at Baylor Hospital in Dallas. It began as a nonprofit organization for poor people called "the Blues" and eventually developed into Blue Cross. Health insurance as we know it now developed from this concept but was offered by companies in the 40's who were trying to get around wage controls by offering "benefits". At this point the insurance companies were still all non profit, but that slowly began to change and by the early 80's a little over 10% were for profit. This scheme (for lack of a better word) quickly escalated into the problems we have now as by the late 90's nearly 70% of insurance companies were for profit.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/24/2008 9:24:16 AM
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People will be bringing less home to give where they see best to give. That is the point. Being forced to pay more taxes will decrease charitable giving. Many of those taxes people will be forced to pay will go to things that are diametrically opposed to our faith.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/24/2008 9:29:52 AM
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And who's being taxed more????
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/24/2008 9:38:41 AM
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Everyone if you look at what the taxes rates will be and what all will be taxed.
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/24/2008 9:44:30 AM
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Ask Sarah Palin what it means.
In the great state of Alaska, she raised the taxes on oil companies and spread the wealth around to every single citizen of the state.
By her own definition, that is Socialism....
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RE: "Spread the Wealth Around"...what this me... - 10/24/2008 9:52:28 AM
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csl7037
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Of course companies should provide health insurance but if the government would get out of it and let the market drive this, it would be self-correcting. Employers should have to provide health and other benefits to attract and retain good employees. And they do. If you're not a valuable-enough employee to demand the benefits you need, then you (we, as a whole) have bigger problems. I think this healthcare "problem" is overblown.
WHY?!? I just wish someone would tell me how and why: Employers who seen financially able and decided to provide health and other benefits to their employees as a bonus, gift, fringe benefit, and etc. had it turned around to the point it is no longer a volunteer action --- it is now expected --- "employee's demand" these things. This is WRONG!!! It is also why health-care, meds, eye and dental cost are so out of sight. Employers need to get out of the insurance business. Why do you think so many companies went over seas? Companies ran their own business without insurance companies until the late 60's early 70's --- it's not that long ago folks, not even 50 years ago; this is 2008 A.D. --- what did all those people do before there was health insurance?
Sorry, bad subject.
I meant "demand" in the free market sense. I don't mean demand as a right - far from it! I think the market should "demand" that they provide good benefits to keep good employees - I mean, by our qualifications, employees should demand a high wage, good benefits, etc. And, if we don't, then the problem is ours to become a valued employee. As a prospective employee, you've got to make the employer want you more than the guy down the road wants you. If he can get the next guy with the same qualifications cheaper, he should have every right to hire that guy. If you want the job and the perks, you gotta earn the qualifications to be able to "demand" them.
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