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the best possible candidate?

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

Here's my stab.

#1) I know is not good enough for most, but is sufficient for me.
McCain is NOT Obama.

#2) Obama refused to be sworn into the Senate on a Bible.
Remember a senator that insisted on being sworn in on a Koran?
Yet, claims to be a christian. His church of 22 years violates the Bible.
For those who are not up on many global issues. It's okay if a muslim
(and I didn't say he was) attends a christian church, gives money, confesses
faith of said church. But, if they are baptized into a new-found faith, they
are on the death list. Obama says his girls were baptized by Wright, I haven't
heard a word about him being baptized yet says Wright presented Christ to him.

#3) Obama refused to salute the flag, wear a flag pin, acknowledge the national anthem.
Now he wears a pin because it's expedient. He shows NO allegiance to this country he
wants to "control."

#4) He twists his words so the uninformed don't understand what he is really saying.
But, a lot of preachers do the same thing. The uninformed are swayed by every wind
of doctrine. Political wind is the same way.

#5) His record speaks for itself. It is complete defiance of his words.

#6) He has a octopus of a political system that breaks election laws.
ACORN. Accept it or reject it.

#7) The latest is the millions of dollars he raised just this month already.
The news has found that much of it comes from outside the US. Another violation.

#8) He lied about the way he would run his campaign.

#9) The white-hating muslim leader (can't remember his name) dubs him the Messiah
that has the ear of the youth. The one who did the million-man march.

#10) Oh, and Joe the plumber. The political machine is trying to destroy him to take
the attention of the "truth" Obama uttered. I want to spread the wealth.

Am I bias? Yes. For McCain? No.
But, without a doubt McCain is American.
I don't agree with him on many issues. He's too liberal for me, but Obama is beyond liberal.

A list could go on and on, but it would be classified as rhetoric.
So, it has to be, do I really understand what either of them are saying.
Am I truly paying attention? Am I just going by party lines? Is my thoughts really good for the whole?

As just mentioned. "Judges!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
There is an agenda to destroy this nation from within, because it cannot be destroyed from without.
Our enemies are fulfilling their threats from decades past.

Is Obama American? There is reasonable doubt whether he is or not. Born in Kenya, or Hawaii?

Is Obama Christian? Definitely not. All politicians claim to be Christian.
We know them by their fruit.

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ORIGINAL: mavrick

IMA,

Sorry, I'd be selling you snake oil if I tried to sell you on McCain.

Sadly, the safest place for a conservative this year is with a third party.

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I am one of those "undecided voters" I really am!! 15 more days to go! ugh!

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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN

I am one of those "undecided voters" I really am!! 15 more days to go! ugh!

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OK do you have some mccain-lovin to add to this topic? im tired of being so negative here about him, i would like to hear some positives.

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Any thoughts yet on the description of what the perfect candidate would be like?

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I'm not voting for McCain but there are two things that stand out to me about him that I believe are very important. The first one is he will cross the aisle and compromise to get things done. We've had 8 years of a president who doesn't do this hardly at all. Too much happening in the country that we can't afford any more of it. The other thing is the way he would conduct our foreign policy and the GWoR. I wish he would have been elected in 2000 instead of Dubya because we would probably be better off in that now than we were then. His dislike of Gitmo, dislike of waterboarding come to my mind. The fact he seems to know what he wants to do and how he wants to do it so he won't need to resort to men like Rummy, Halliburton and wouldn't leave his SoS out to dry after forcing him to bend the truth to fit an agenda.

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ORIGINAL: Jhud

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I am one of those "undecided voters" I really am!! 15 more days to go! ugh!

Any thoughts yet on the description of what the perfect candidate would be like?

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ORIGINAL: mavrick

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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN

I am one of those "undecided voters" I really am!! 15 more days to go! ugh!

Then do tell - what are your political philosophies? What are you for/against? There are enough candidates out there that you should be able to make a choice that suits you best.

Also, just curious, what state are you in? Do you even know who you can vote for on your state's ballot? Are write in votes counted or ignored in your state?

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Any thoughts yet on the description of what the perfect candidate would be like?

Thats a really good question. Its hard to answer beyond generalities. I think for me its hard to imagine because even if they present the perfect image I don't believe anything they say.

As far as the OP, whats the point? Why would anyone solicit advice on who to vote for from people they haven't even seen. I mean is that your pic Ima (just found a reason to ask )? Not only that but you know what all of us are going to say. I can pretty much tell what the other regulars will say about politics after I read several of their posts. Once in awhile I get a bit of a surprise but not usually.

I would say this: pray fervently, study the Scriptures, the issues and how they intersect then vote for whoever you feel the Lord wants. And at the end of the day if you choose Senator Obama, so be it. We all have to vote our conscience. You've heard all we got to say on both sides, including me. I doubt they'll be any great argument that makes you think McCain was the man after all. But I suspect that is exactly the point you are trying to make.

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coz this is the "send mccain some love" topic.

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I also think that it woudl help to get some info about him, so that i know i can make an informed decision whether it be a yay or nay coming voting time.

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In the end, I totally believe that God will put into power who he wills, as Isaiah Chapter 40 (I think it is 40) declares, that God puts kings up and puts them down. It is all going to be who God picks. He is in control even if peopel do not acknowledge Him.. but He is! all the time.

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have drank all the Haterade on mccain for now, its really making me have a bad day!

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000

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coz this is the "send mccain some love" topic.

Not trying to be nitpicky but the title is "Try to Sell Me on McCain". There are a number of people I would be happy to send some love to without trying to sell anyone on their ability to be president or even manager of a local fast food joint. rlj showed some love and I can't top what he did.

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In the end, I totally believe that God will put into power who he wills, as Isaiah Chapter 40 (I think it is 40) declares, that God puts kings up and puts them down. It is all going to be who God picks. He is in control even if peopel do not acknowledge Him.. but He is! all the time.

How do you reconcile that with free will? If the people want a ruler that God rejects wouldn't our free will be honored and we would pay the price? In any case I'd rather know I voted for God's candidate, regardless of who he or she is and regardless if it makes a difference in the overall scheme of things.

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have drank all the Haterade on mccain for now, its really making me have a bad day!

I would suggest not thinking about McCain or the Election. I think its making too many people angry. I'm (fairly) sure the Republic will live regardless of who we vote for or who wins. Life may be a bit better or worse but we'll survive. I doubt either man will really be in charge anyway, neither seem to be particularly powerful. And neither party has enough of a majority to do any real damage. I hope. I'm still voting for the guy least likely to do damage though.

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so God wil have his way, being Sovereign, no matter who we want.. now we have to be careful not to whine too much or God might give us a King Saul.... not the best choice, but God did it coz they were whining too much.

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The candidate I pick would:

1. Meet the qualifications according to the USA law.

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2. Be honest.

5. Be honest and say what they mean, not b.s. us to get votes and then find out later they lied all along.

6. Have good values, character and good personality, have the respect of those under him, and not be a crook.

12. Not do the type of government that is shady, that gives benefits to their friends, and they should not be bribeable.

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3. Have plans and tell us about them (unless they are plans that by telling it would cause the USA harm).

4. Have the money and a plan to be able to make sure their plan would have enuf money and staff to really make the plan happen.

7. Have something that they can do that people will remember them as what they made happen (leaving a good legacy).

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8. Not get us into worse and worse debt.

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9. When an emergency happen know how to act right then and there; they should be competent so that in an emergency they know what to do in a split second (war, bombings, attack on the USA).

10. Be a natural leader, not a boss. (do you know the difference?)

11. Make use of staff who is qualified first.

13. Be grounded so that they dont do flip and stupid actions.

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ORIGINAL: Rufas2000

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so God wil have his way, being Sovereign, no matter who we want.. now we have to be careful not to whine too much or God might give us a King Saul.... not the best choice, but God did it coz they were whining too much.

Interesting topic but was it God's will that put Hitler or Stalin in charge? And they are only the tip of the iceburg of evil rulers. Was it God's Will to put Saul in charge or was it more of a "alright if thats what you want" deal. I believe there is a difference between what is God's will and what He allows.

I think if America makes the wrong choice God will allow us to learn our lesson but that doesn't mean it was His will or choice for us. I want to vote for God's choice, not the wrong choice that God will allow to those who fail to heed His voice.

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so God wil have his way, being Sovereign, no matter who we want.. now we have to be careful not to whine too much or God might give us a King Saul.... not the best choice, but God did it coz they were whining too much.

Interesting topic but was it God's will that put Hitler or Stalin in charge? And they are only the tip of the iceburg of evil rulers. Was it God's Will to put Saul in charge or was it more of a "alright if thats what you want" deal. I believe there is a difference between what is God's will and what He allows.

I think if America makes the wrong choice God will allow us to learn our lesson but that doesn't mean it was His will or choice for us. I want to vote for God's choice, not the wrong choice that God will allow to those who fail to heed His voice.

First you have to understand the doctrine of God's Sovereignty. for example, God put vessels of wrath - Pharoah, Judas, King Saul, all for his purpose. As Paul Washer said "there are no maverick molecules running around in the universe". Therefore, that includes Hitler. God controlled him of course, and how far he was allowed to work. You dont think Hitler was more powerful than God, do you? God always has his will, even if it is something that you or I perceive as not so great, it is still God's will,, neverthleess.. God is in control, not you, not me, not obama, not santa claus, only God.. which shoudl give you and me confidence.

In any case, even if the wrath of God comes down on America, God knows his children... and he has promises for us. God even worked in the lives of the martyrs. They died for the Lord, but God still was caring for them even still. i hope we dont suffere the wrath of God, but if God does, I have to trust in the Lord to carry me thru. Just likeHe did with the martrys.

moral of the story - I would NOT want to be without the Lord in these next few years. I dont know what the atheists are going to do.. it will be hard for them. No protection. maybe God's common grace, is all. they should be thanking and praising God for that! i truly dont know what life is going to be like these next 4 years,, it scares me in a way, but i have to learn to trust the Lord. right now i know how my life is,, i work, i do this and that... but these next 4 years will be a test of my faith.. which sometimes is not as strong as i'd like it.

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Overall, it looks to me like you're voting based on your sense of the person as far as who he/she is, rather than the types of policies he/she may be in favor of implementing. Would that be fair?

If so, I understand your dilemma. Rather than try to sway to one candidate or another, I'd say that you have some extra homework to do to try and get a sense for who the person is behind the speeches, the debates, the smear campaigns, and the rhetoric. No humans are perfect, as you stated, so everyone's going to have some skeletons that their opponents will try and distort to their advantage. It's a bit tough to see through all the campaigning to get to the real person sometime, and you have to know who to trust for opinions of this sort, so be discerning.

factcheck.org might be a place for you to go to get some insight, as well as googling the candidate names with the keywords I mentioned above.

Hope this helps at least break things down for you a little.

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First you have to understand the doctrine of God's Sovereignty. for example, God put vessels of wrath - Pharoah, Judas, King Saul, all for his purpose. As Paul Washer said "there are no maverick molecules running around in the universe". Therefore, that includes Hitler. God controlled him of course, and how far he was allowed to work. You dont think Hitler was more powerful than God, do you? God always has his will, even if it is something that you or I perceive as not so great, it is still God's will,, neverthleess.. God is in control, not you, not me, not obama, not santa claus, only God.. which shoudl give you and me confidence.

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Here's a thought - what if God's choice isn't even on the ballot?