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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/20/2008 7:41:05 PM
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Rufas2000
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if God wishes candidate A to win, then that candidate will win, no matter how hard mankind will try to vote for candidate B to win..
I don't think so. I think if the people are sinful they will choose to vote for the candidate that will bring about God's wrath. Again with Pilate, his role in events was obvious but God still tried to reach him so that he would make the right choice. Why else would Pilate's wife have that dream? Why else would Jesus' presence disturb Pilate so much? The Spirit was moving but Pilate chose political expediency. Judas had a chance to turn back when Jesus confronted him, a last chance to make the right choice but Judas went with silver and his human understanding. his role was obvious (if it seemed unnecessary, an outside spy could have done the job).
I don't think "it was your will God, we couldn't change it" will cut it when being taken to account for our role in events.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/20/2008 10:29:06 PM
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if God wishes candidate A to win, then that candidate will win, no matter how hard mankind will try to vote for candidate B to win..
I don't think so. I think if the people are sinful they will choose to vote for the candidate that will bring about God's wrath. Again with Pilate, his role in events was obvious but God still tried to reach him so that he would make the right choice. Why else would Pilate's wife have that dream? Why else would Jesus' presence disturb Pilate so much? The Spirit was moving but Pilate chose political expediency. Judas had a chance to turn back when Jesus confronted him, a last chance to make the right choice but Judas went with silver and his human understanding. his role was obvious (if it seemed unnecessary, an outside spy could have done the job).
I don't think "it was your will God, we couldn't change it" will cut it when being taken to account for our role in events.
but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right? or has man run amuck running the world????????????? Can you give me a scripure on this issue? I gotta hear the Word! i hope God does not give us one from His Wrath, but he might.. and i'd have to accept it.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/20/2008 10:52:51 PM
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Rufas2000
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right? or has man run amuck running the world?????????????
Yes He is still in control. He chooses to let us make our own decisions. In James 1: 13-15 it says:
When tempted, no one should say "God is tempting me". For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
In this situation I can't see God directing His people to vote for someone who is evil for the purpose of exacting His wrath as He would be tempting us to do evil. That would occur naturally, as evil people do evil things, and God's will would be exacted, without God directing people to do the wrong thing. If we turn back and make the correct choice why would He unleash His wrath on us? When repentence happens God's wrath is turned away or lessened. Look at Ninevah for an example.
Also I can think of many Biblical characters who were given choices. For example, Esau was hated in relation to Jacob. Jacob was the son who would inherit Israel's promise. But Esau still chose to sell his birthright for food. His coming out on the losing end was the result of his own choice. Another example: God hardened Pharoah's heart but Pharoah was still presented with several opportunities to do the right thing. The Israelites left, and Egypt was none the worse for it until Pharoah decided to pursue them. God's purpose was clear, Pharoah's role was clear but God gave him a choice.
And I think man has run amok on the world. God has allowed man to taste the bitter fruit of his labors. Maybe it would be even worse without God's intervention but I don't think everything that happens is in God's perfect will but he takes all things and uses them for His purposes. God doesn't need or desire a wrong choice by me or anyone else to accomplish His purposes.
We aren't talking about God being in control, we are talking about how He chooses to use us to accomplish His purposes.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/20/2008 11:21:34 PM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right? or has man run amuck running the world????????????? Can you give me a scripure on this issue? I gotta hear the Word! i hope God does not give us one from His Wrath, but he might.. and i'd have to accept it.
IMA,
God told the people that they didn't need a king, but they insisted so he gave them one named Saul.
God has a funny way of giving people what they ask for when they insist.
Rest assured though, if 0bama is elected, it will still be part of God's plan for the world. I happen to be of the opinion that America must decrease before we see the end time attacks against Israel in which she will stand alone. 0bama may be the next one to bring America lower and one step closer to impotent or extinct, and if not him, then the next liberal or the next or the next. The spirit of anti-Christ is always at work.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 3:24:14 AM
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For those of you who object liberal policies for the Presidency of our country I find the following interesting.
Would Jesus Be a Liberal or a Conservative?
by Jack Clark
Conservative Christians certainly would not think that Jesus would be a liberal, yet -- as with most things -- they are wrong.
We are given some hints in the Bible and the Catholic Church's teachings about whether Jesus would be a liberal or a conservative:
· In Matthew 25:31-46, Jesus proclaims that how you treat the hungry, the thirsty, the sick and other "least of these," is how you treat Jesus himself. And if you fail to help the "least of these," Jesus promises, he will send you to Hell.
· Catholic social doctrine holds that the resources of the earth, and the output of man's work, are meant to be shared equitably by all.
· The Catholic Church calls for a "preferential option for the poor."
· An overwhelming concern for the poor and for economic justice permeates the Old Testament.
· There is the redistribution of wealth injunction of the Old Testament Jubilee Year, when slaves were released and land returned to its original owners.
· And last but not least, do I even have to bring up the clarion words of Jesus repeated in virtual identical fashion in three of the Gospels:
Mark 10:25
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Such a teaching directly out of the mouth of Christ does not indicate a favorable attitude towards the type of unbridled accumulation of wealth celebrated by conservative "right-wing pseudo-Christians".
To hear the conservative pseudo-Christians, the Messiah's real name must have been Jesus “Adam Smith” Christ. Could someone please tell me where Jesus extols the effectiveness – let alone the morality -- of trickle-down economics? Or the genius of the "free market"? Or where Jesus indicates even in the slightest way that the Matthew 25 suffering "least of these" should not be helped?
The average liberal, at least in his or her concern that the world's goods be distributed equitably and that the suffering "least of these" be helped, seems a lot closer to the words of Jesus, the entire Bible, and Church social doctrine than does the blind, idol-level market-worship of conservative pseudo-Christians.
In short, is not "Do unto others…" the essence of liberalism's goal, and the opposite of the operating principle of the conservative Golden Calf, unregulated capitalism?
Liberal vs. Conservative Jesus: The Big Picture
On the overall question of redistribution of wealth and income, having rich people is fine, as long as no one is dying because the rich hoard too much of the wealth. Once everyone is at least minimally taken care of, then the super-greedy can be allowed to have more than their fair share.
The liberal case, however, is that because the rich monopolize such a grotesquely huge share of the income and wealth, there's not enough left for everyone else.
The top 10% of individuals in the United States receive 46% of the income and control 71% of the wealth in this country. Globally, 25% of the people receive 75% of the income, and the richest 20% of the world's population monopolizes 86 per cent of global wealth.
In other words: 80% of humanity must try to survive on a mere 14% of the world's wealth. To look at it in perhaps more comprehensible terms: Dividing up $100 among ten people in the same proportions would produce two people with $4.30 each, and 8 people with 18 cents each. How can anyone doubt that such an inequitable division of the world's resources means that those at the bottom will suffer and die as the very least of "the least of these"?
Bottom line: it really isn't about liberalism, conservatism, or any other -ism. It's only about ensuring the well-being of "the least of these."
The purpose here is not to argue that Jesus would be a "liberal" and not a "conservative" if he were alive today. It is to point out how ludicrous it is for people who profess to be Christians to hyperventilate solely because serious measures to ameliorate economic injustice are proposed.
At the very minimum, Jesus would be for enough regulation of capitalism to accomplish the Matthew 25:31-46 goals, not for the law-of-the-jungle, let-them-suffer-it's-their-own-fault Hobbesianism of conservative philosophy.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:20:42 AM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right?
Daniel 2: 19 -23:
Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His:
And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
He revealeth the deep and secret things: He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him.
We either believe this or we don't. I believe it, and I believe who ever God sets up as President this time will be according to His plans for us (America & Americans as but one of the Nations of this world) in the earth in the next 4 years (until the next election).
I will vote for McCain, using my best wisdom (of how I think God would have me vote), and trust God to bring about the one that IS best suited to bring His (God's] plans into place.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:22:27 AM
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He is not Obama.
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I'd like to know how mccain is going to benefit me
Hopefully no benefit at all other than letting you keep what you earn and letting you be responsible for yourself.
What zamdad said in post 8.
TMeeks makes a good point in post 9, judges.
To me, the perfect candidate was elected once, Reagan. Smaller government. Less taxes. A nation with backbone and integrity.
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what if God's choice isn't even on the ballot?
This is why I thought Hillary had a chance. Just like Deborah in the old testament, when no good men stepped up to the plate to lead, God picked a woman.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:51:14 AM
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Pat-rebel_lady
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He is not Obama.
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I'd like to know how mccain is going to benefit me
Hopefully no benefit at all other than letting you keep what you earn and letting you be responsible for yourself.
What zamdad said in post 8.
TMeeks makes a good point in post 9, judges.
To me, the perfect candidate was elected once, Reagan. Smaller government. Less taxes. A nation with backbone and integrity.
I agree with everything here!!
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:57:49 AM
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i am voting on the PERSON because what they are inside is what makes them the person they are. You are right, the policies seem to be taking 2nd place to the PERSON.
I think you have a good idea but without knowing someone its hard to do that. I'd start with Obama's books. McCain's as well if he has written any. Fact Check is great but it doesn't help with what type of person they are, only if what they say is correct.
Fact Check is helpful, but even with good intentions, doesn't get everything right. The books are a good idea, because they help you understand a person's philosophy of life. Unless the books are a lie!
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:02:48 AM
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For those of you who object liberal policies for the Presidency of our country I find the following interesting.
Jesus would neither be a liberal or a conservative. He did not promote government-controlled programs for helping the needy, he taught that helping others should be part of a believer's life, out of choice, in obedience to God.
While having issues with the "religious establishment" of the day, he also taught personal submission to God in moral matters - something contemporary liberals mock and show disdain for.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:47:34 AM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right? or has man run amuck running the world?????????????
Yes He is still in control. He chooses to let us make our own decisions. In James 1: 13-15 it says:
When tempted, no one should say "God is tempting me". For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
In this situation I can't see God directing His people to vote for someone who is evil for the purpose of exacting His wrath as He would be tempting us to do evil. That would occur naturally, as evil people do evil things, and God's will would be exacted, without God directing people to do the wrong thing. If we turn back and make the correct choice why would He unleash His wrath on us? When repentence happens God's wrath is turned away or lessened. Look at Ninevah for an example.
Also I can think of many Biblical characters who were given choices. For example, Esau was hated in relation to Jacob. Jacob was the son who would inherit Israel's promise. But Esau still chose to sell his birthright for food. His coming out on the losing end was the result of his own choice. Another example: God hardened Pharoah's heart but Pharoah was still presented with several opportunities to do the right thing. The Israelites left, and Egypt was none the worse for it until Pharoah decided to pursue them. God's purpose was clear, Pharoah's role was clear but God gave him a choice.
And I think man has run amok on the world. God has allowed man to taste the bitter fruit of his labors. Maybe it would be even worse without God's intervention but I don't think everything that happens is in God's perfect will but he takes all things and uses them for His purposes. God doesn't need or desire a wrong choice by me or anyone else to accomplish His purposes.
We aren't talking about God being in control, we are talking about how He chooses to use us to accomplish His purposes.
You know what? Thats the argument that actually changed me from voting for one candidate to NOT voting for him, because i do not wish to be used as a vessel of wrath like esau did. My freedom to vote for whomever i want is trumped by that concept.. someone here finally gave me - a rather stubborn hard headed independent thinker - the best argument to turn me around.. because I fear (respect) God more than I do my own choices.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:49:31 AM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right? or has man run amuck running the world????????????? Can you give me a scripure on this issue? I gotta hear the Word! i hope God does not give us one from His Wrath, but he might.. and i'd have to accept it.
IMA,
God told the people that they didn't need a king, but they insisted so he gave them one named Saul.
God has a funny way of giving people what they ask for when they insist.
Rest assured though, if 0bama is elected, it will still be part of God's plan for the world. I happen to be of the opinion that America must decrease before we see the end time attacks against Israel in which she will stand alone. 0bama may be the next one to bring America lower and one step closer to impotent or extinct, and if not him, then the next liberal or the next or the next. The spirit of anti-Christ is always at work.
yes i do think that too,, and i have thought of that also. I have also stated that obama might win and be in God's perfect will, to accomplish his purposes. you are exactly right on! I mean, if he has connections to something that is in the bible as things to come, then that would be just about right. This is the way I feel, we shall see what is going to happen..
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:51:28 AM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right?
Daniel 2: 19 -23:
Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His:
And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
He revealeth the deep and secret things: He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him.
Thank you - that is the verse I've been trying to find!!!! thank you!!! this is what I've been telling everyone - that God puts up kings and takes them down.. and you found it.. I thought it was Isaiah ... hallellujah for you finding it!!!! I beleive God will ordain who will be king of the USA! :)
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:54:21 AM
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He is not Obama.
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I'd like to know how mccain is going to benefit me
Hopefully no benefit at all other than letting you keep what you earn and letting you be responsible for yourself.
that would be wonderful! i guess what I said sounded like "Whats in it for me" .. your right.. and im not necessarily looking for something to be a handout to me - although if they wanted to give me $5,000 like mccain said, hey I will take it. but i'd be glad if the economics do no change where it will take more of my paycheck and make me have to struggle more.
if they change the status of the war, I'd be happy.. if it ended i would be happy too.
if america did not get worse, and if peopel started recovering financially, then that would make me happy too.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 11:57:33 AM
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yes i do think that too,, and i have thought of that also. I have also stated that obama might win and be in God's perfect will, to accomplish his purposes. you are exactly right on! I mean, if he has connections to something that is in the bible as things to come, then that would be just about right. This is the way I feel, we shall see what is going to happen..
All the nations were in God's "perfect will" when they came against Israel.
Pharaoh was in God's plans. So, how can we fault him?
God also said that when the plan was finished He would severely punish the
nations that came against Israel.
If it's God's plan that this nation be flushed from the world scene by assimilation
into marxist-socialism, does that mean a christian is supposed to vote for it?
Of course not. We are to vote righteously. It's also a test we have to answer for.
Even if I knew without a doubt Obama was the man of the "Plan" I would vote against him.
If it's God's true will, it will happen. But do I pass the test by siding with the devil? or,
opposing him with what is available to me?
We stand for what is truly 'RIGHT' even though wrong may be the vehicle to bring it to pass.
Do I violate God's Word by sinning to increase the grace of God? Paul said, Absolutely not!
Well, he said, "God forbid!"
We have to have enough "light" not to be deceived by "darkness."
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 12:02:40 PM
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All the nations were in God's "perfect will" when they came against Israel.
Pharaoh was in God's plans. So, how can we fault him?
God also said that when the plan was finished He would severely punish the
nations that came against Israel.
If it's God's plan that this nation be flushed from the world scene by assimilation
into marxist-socialism, does that mean a christian is supposed to vote for it?
Of course not. We are to vote righteously. It's also a test we have to answer for.
Even if I knew without a doubt Obama was the man of the "Plan" I would vote against him.
If it's God's true will, it will happen. But do I pass the test by siding with the devil? or,
opposing him with what is available to me?
We stand for what is truly 'RIGHT' even though wrong may be the vehicle to bring it to pass.
Do I violate God's Word by sinning to increase the grace of God? Paul said, Absolutely not!
Well, he said, "God forbid!"
We have to have enough "light" not to be deceived by "darkness."
Again, none of the candidates are in line with God's word, none is holier than the others, God doesn't endorse one political party over the other. If we were to hold these candidates to God's word and use it as a way to vote, guess what, we wouldn't be voting for either one of them, because there's alot about both that isn't of God's teaching.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 2:55:48 PM
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but God is still on the throne right? He is still in control, right?
Daniel 2: 19 -23:
Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are His:
And He changeth the times and the seasons: He removeth kings, and setteth up kings: He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
He revealeth the deep and secret things: He knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with Him.
Thank you - that is the verse I've been trying to find!!!! thank you!!! this is what I've been telling everyone - that God puts up kings and takes them down.. and you found it.. I thought it was Isaiah ... hallellujah for you finding it!!!! I beleive God will ordain who will be king of the USA! :)
You are very Welcome!! LOL, I knew it was Daniel but for some unknown reason I first looked for it in Isaiah --- too funny...  that we both did the same thing.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 3:09:05 PM
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I hope all of you reading this will go to this site and see what the Catholics have done to encourage their 67 million people on election day. I am not Catholic but agree wholeheartedly, I think this is a message for ALL Christians.
HERE
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:14:21 PM
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When John McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton he had suffered multiple broken bones, frequent beatings, illnesses, isolation. His weight dropped to about 100 pounds.
His captors, knowing that he was the son of an admiral, asked him if he wanted to go home. He knew full well that they were intent on making him a propoganda tool to show how compassionate they were. Something anti-war Americans would gobble up and use to undermine the war. He also knew that it was unjust for him to go home while his fellow servicemen remained behind. He said, "No!"
They beat him and asked him again and he said, "No."
They beat him and asked him again. They told him life would get much worse if he declined. He said, "No," and it got worse.
He remained at the Hanoi Hilton until all survivors were released. The result is evident today as his shoulders and arms are severly damaged.
John McCain's friends served American at the Hanoi Hilton. Barak Obama's friends attacked America.
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John and Cindy McCain have helped countless needy children around the globe. In 1993 they met a sick Bangladeshi girl, a baby living in one of Mother Teresa orphanages. Her future was bleak until the McCain's brought her home and made her their daughter.
A younger couple sought to adopt another child in similar circumstances, but the medical expenses they faced were too great. The McCain's stepped up and paid the bills. That's two children personally saved from a sickness filled life of poverty, quite possibly a very short life.
John McCain's family extends beyond his flesh and blood. It has literally reached around the globe. Barak Obama has a brother that lives in a shack.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:28:48 PM
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For those of you who object liberal policies for the Presidency of our country I find the following interesting.
Jesus would neither be a liberal or a conservative. He did not promote government-controlled programs for helping the needy, he taught that helping others should be part of a believer's life, out of choice, in obedience to God.
While having issues with the "religious establishment" of the day, he also taught personal submission to God in moral matters - something contemporary liberals mock and show disdain for.
The article wasn't arguing that Jesus would either be liberal or conservative. It was simply stating how the things that Jesus taught in regard to economics line up more with liberal views. It seems to me that it's all fine and dandy that believers help others out of choice, but if the government allows the distribution of wealth to get so out of balance that believers become the poor themselves then who is left to help all of us?
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:34:30 PM
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For those of you who object liberal policies for the Presidency of our country I find the following interesting.
Jesus would neither be a liberal or a conservative. He did not promote government-controlled programs for helping the needy, he taught that helping others should be part of a believer's life, out of choice, in obedience to God.
While having issues with the "religious establishment" of the day, he also taught personal submission to God in moral matters - something contemporary liberals mock and show disdain for.
The article wasn't arguing that Jesus would either be liberal or conservative. It was simply stating how the things that Jesus taught in regard to economics line up more with liberal views. It seems to me that it's all fine and dandy that believers help others out of choice, but if the government allows the distribution of wealth to get so out of balance that believers become the poor themselves then who is left to help all of us?
Jesus never said to take someone's money by threat of imprisonment.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 8:39:52 PM
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ManimalX
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For those of you who object liberal policies for the Presidency of our country I find the following interesting.
Would Jesus Be a Liberal or a Conservative?
by Jack Clark
Wow. I feel like I just watched the contortionists at Cirque Du Soleil after reading that guy twist and bend Scripture to fit his agenda. His understanding of God's Word is... lacking, to say the least.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:07:03 PM
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if they change the status of the war, I'd be happy.. if it ended i would be happy too.
Lets conjecture here that the USA was a small country and we elected...oh lets say Obama....and he turned out to be a terrible tyrant, killing hundreds of thousands of americans and tortureing people and doing all kinds of terrible international events.
Lets say Russia came and ousted him. Now, would you want the Russinas to go home before the country was stable again? What would you say to the Russians as they rebuilt your country, ousted a tyrant and helped your country get back on your feet? You don't agree with them politically or religiously, but they did get rid of your tyrant.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:10:35 PM
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mavrick
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So, IMA, Sold on McBailout yet?
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