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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 9:43:39 PM
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StephK
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When John McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton he had suffered multiple broken bones, frequent beatings, illnesses, isolation. His weight dropped to about 100 pounds.
His captors, knowing that he was the son of an admiral, asked him if he wanted to go home. He knew full well that they were intent on making him a propoganda tool to show how compassionate they were. Something anti-war Americans would gobble up and use to undermine the war. He also knew that it was unjust for him to go home while his fellow servicemen remained behind. He said, "No!"
They beat him and asked him again and he said, "No."
They beat him and asked him again. They told him life would get much worse if he declined. He said, "No," and it got worse.
He remained at the Hanoi Hilton until all survivors were released. The result is evident today as his shoulders and arms are severly damaged.
John McCain's friends served American at the Hanoi Hilton. Barak Obama's friends attacked America.
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John and Cindy McCain have helped countless needy children around the globe. In 1993 they met a sick Bangladeshi girl, a baby living in one of Mother Teresa orphanages. Her future was bleak until the McCain's brought her home and made her their daughter.
A younger couple sought to adopt another child in similar circumstances, but the medical expenses they faced were too great. The McCain's stepped up and paid the bills. That's two children personally saved from a sickness filled life of poverty, quite possibly a very short life.
John McCain's family extends beyond his flesh and blood. It has literally reached around the globe. Barak Obama has a brother that lives in a shack.
Good points. I was reading on another forum and this tidbit was mentioned. In light of Biden's latest gaffe, “While John McCain was sitting in the cockpit off of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis with a pucker factor of 10, Barry was pooping in his diapers.” 
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The heart of the wise inclines to the right but the heart of the fool to the left.
Even as he walks along the road, the fool lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is. ~ Ecc. 10:2-3
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 10:01:18 PM
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mavrick
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if they change the status of the war, I'd be happy.. if it ended i would be happy too.
Lets conjecture here that the USA was a small country and we elected...oh lets say Obama....and he turned out to be a terrible tyrant, killing hundreds of thousands of americans and tortureing people and doing all kinds of terrible international events.
Lets say Russia came and ousted him. Now, would you want the Russinas to go home before the country was stable again? What would you say to the Russians as they rebuilt your country, ousted a tyrant and helped your country get back on your feet? You don't agree with them politically or religiously, but they did get rid of your tyrant.
Are you serious about this strawman argument? It was hard to type beneath so much spin.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 10:34:09 PM
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Acts29
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I have not read all of the posts. Your statement about the middle class is a fair concern. The problem is that the middle class will not benefit by Obama's views. The largest employer is your small business owner. Under Obama he will have to either lay off people in order to comply under Obama's tax rules or close the doors. The small business owner cannot afford to pay half of people's health insurance he can barely afford his own health insurance. He already pays more in taxes than any other sector so if he is taxed more then he will have to lay off people because he cannot afford to pay any more in taxes. OR he will charge more in order to cover for the tax increase and the health insurance which will cause the price of items to go up which will hurt the middle class because they have to pay for more the same item than they did before Obama.
I will admit that some of what McCain is saying does not paint the rosy picture that Obama is painting. BUT McCain is telling the truth he is not giving you a fairy tale.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 11:24:32 PM
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writerchick
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I have not read all of the posts. Your statement about the middle class is a fair concern. The problem is that the middle class will not benefit by Obama's views. The largest employer is your small business owner. Under Obama he will have to either lay off people in order to comply under Obama's tax rules or close the doors. The small business owner cannot afford to pay half of people's health insurance he can barely afford his own health insurance. He already pays more in taxes than any other sector so if he is taxed more then he will have to lay off people because he cannot afford to pay any more in taxes. OR he will charge more in order to cover for the tax increase and the health insurance which will cause the price of items to go up which will hurt the middle class because they have to pay for more the same item than they did before Obama.
I will admit that some of what McCain is saying does not paint the rosy picture that Obama is painting. BUT McCain is telling the truth he is not giving you a fairy tale.
I hear what you're saying, however, that's not Obama's plan at all. Yes, he does intend to increase taxes on people who make over $250,000, but the majority of small business owners - I believe the percent is around 90 - do not make that much. Keep in mind, this tax is not on their profits. It's on their take home pay and they can control that amount. If they make too much money, they can simply choose to put it back in the business to make it grow and create more jobs.
As for the health care aspect, the small business owner will be able to afford it because they can buy into the national plan for themselves and their employees at a lower rate than what they would pay in today's market. There's also a clause in Obama's plan that allows for reimbursement of any catastrophic claims the employees may have. This lowers the cost for small business owner as well.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/21/2008 11:57:49 PM
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Acts29
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I have not read all of the posts. Your statement about the middle class is a fair concern. The problem is that the middle class will not benefit by Obama's views. The largest employer is your small business owner. Under Obama he will have to either lay off people in order to comply under Obama's tax rules or close the doors. The small business owner cannot afford to pay half of people's health insurance he can barely afford his own health insurance. He already pays more in taxes than any other sector so if he is taxed more then he will have to lay off people because he cannot afford to pay any more in taxes. OR he will charge more in order to cover for the tax increase and the health insurance which will cause the price of items to go up which will hurt the middle class because they have to pay for more the same item than they did before Obama.
I will admit that some of what McCain is saying does not paint the rosy picture that Obama is painting. BUT McCain is telling the truth he is not giving you a fairy tale.
I hear what you're saying, however, that's not Obama's plan at all. Yes, he does intend to increase taxes on people who make over $250,000, but the majority of small business owners - I believe the percent is around 90 - do not make that much. Keep in mind, this tax is not on their profits. It's on their take home pay and they can control that amount. If they make too much money, they can simply choose to put it back in the business to make it grow and create more jobs.
As for the health care aspect, the small business owner will be able to afford it because they can buy into the national plan for themselves and their employees at a lower rate than what they would pay in today's market. There's also a clause in Obama's plan that allows for reimbursement of any catastrophic claims the employees may have. This lowers the cost for small business owner as well.
The small business owner is already paying into this plan. It is called social security. The small business owner must match the amount of money the employee pays into ss. Social security is not there for the small business owner just the employees. You may think it is easy to put the money back into the business but it is not. The trickle down affect of this plan will end up hurting the middle class through higher prices or joblessness. The small business owner cannot afford any more taxes.
As McCain stated health insurance is not a priviledge it is a responisibility. This responsibility does not fall upon the business owner. People seem to forget the risks the small business owner takes when he opens up a business. However if the small business owner is successful then he should be penalized for the hard work he put into the business? If we spread the wealth then maybe we should spread the risks too.
BTW the small business owner's profit is considered his pay. Even if the small business owner does not take a paycheck he is still taxed on his profits as if it were his take home pay.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 12:37:19 AM
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BTW the small business owner's profit is considered his pay. Even if the small business owner does not take a paycheck he is still taxed on his profits as if it were his take home pay.
Sadly, this is the thing that most people who get the majority of their information from the mainstream media fail to understand. No wonder the class warfare message of the DNC is so effective.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 7:28:40 AM
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Now, would you want the Russinas to go home before the country was stable again?
The Poles wanted the Russians out. The Romanians wanted them out. Bulgaria did to. Hungary couldn't stand them and neither did the Czech Republic. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia hated them. Tito was bad to the bone and told Stalin stay the heck out (in not so many words) and he listened.
The people of Iraq are speaking. They would rather have us out then have another deal where units from the Erik Prinz Eugen Polizei division are free to kill Iraqi's with impunity.
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I could wile away the hours
Conferrin' with the flowers
Consultin' with the rain
And my head I'd be scratchin'
While my thoughts were busy hatchin'
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 8:59:43 AM
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Acts29
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BTW the small business owner's profit is considered his pay. Even if the small business owner does not take a paycheck he is still taxed on his profits as if it were his take home pay.
Sadly, this is the thing that most people who get the majority of their information from the mainstream media fail to understand. No wonder the class warfare message of the DNC is so effective.
Exactly!! People do not understand that a business must keep operating money (profit) in order to continue. The small business owner is taxed on this money (profit) as if he takes all of it home. In the tax world $250,000 is not a lot of money if you are supporting your family and making sure you have enough money to keep the business in operation. Obama makes it appear that small business owners have a lot of money ...W r o n g...Right now the small business owner is going under left and right. This tax plan will just increase more businesses going under, lay offs, or higher prices.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 11:12:03 AM
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Here is a part of an entry from a Retired Pastors view point from his blog. Dutch Treat
"I have problems with both the Democratic and the Republican tickets. Neither is ideal, far from it. But the Republican Party traditionally embodies the classic, conservative and Biblical principles and values for both Government and the Economy. The Democratic Party absolutely does not. Therefore, I am voting McCain-Palin.
In writing this, I fully realize that in practice the US has a mixed economy and that the current Republican Administration has not been acting in line with traditional conservative principles. Today's news demonstrates how "interventionist" our Government has become- nationalizing banks (whether they want it or not) and expanding its control in the housing and insurance markets, etc. And both candidates are making sweeping promises to the voters without regard to how they will be paid for, expanding even more government largess and the "nanny" state. However, I still maintain, in comparison to McCain, Obama is the worse candidate and if he wins he will probably also have a Democratic controlled Congress. I loath to think of what they will cook-up for America together. "
Calvin brings up a lot of goods points when you put things into biblical context.
//Norm
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 2:14:05 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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So, IMA, Sold on McBailout yet?
well i do feel a bit nicer and calmed down now from this topic being put here, as i was pretty hateful from the other one.
Today im home sick and watching the news and it just does not look too good for mccain and palin, only coz of the polls, however, they could change.
Truly honestly, both candidates make me very fearful of the future of america. I am going to watch things happen as they happen, and i will have to live with whatever happens.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/22/2008 2:15:57 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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When John McCain was in the Hanoi Hilton he had suffered multiple broken bones, frequent beatings, illnesses, isolation. His weight dropped to about 100 pounds.
His captors, knowing that he was the son of an admiral, asked him if he wanted to go home. He knew full well that they were intent on making him a propoganda tool to show how compassionate they were. Something anti-war Americans would gobble up and use to undermine the war. He also knew that it was unjust for him to go home while his fellow servicemen remained behind. He said, "No!"
They beat him and asked him again and he said, "No." They beat him and asked him again. They told him life would get much worse if he declined. He said, "No," and it got worse. He remained at the Hanoi Hilton until all survivors were released. The result is evident today as his shoulders and arms are severly damaged.-
thats the nicest post about mccain, i even feel a bit of compassion toward him as a REAL PERSON. I always wondered why he moved his arms the way he does,, its due to injury i see.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/25/2008 1:01:10 AM
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Filmed in 1967, John McCain was part of a French documentary. Some of the video has been released.
McCain is being interviewed while laying in a POW hospital bed. He's clearly under intense stress. He's also clearly being very careful not to provoke his captors. His account of his capture after being shot down and crashing in a lake omits the beating and the pokes they gave him with a bayonette.
fighting the good fight
When John McCain was a POW, BO's friends were literally bombing America.
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/25/2008 2:22:51 AM
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Today im home sick and watching the news and it just does not look too good for mccain and palin, only coz of the polls, however, they could change.
Sorry to hear that - hope you feel better soon IMA!
-Robb
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RE: TRY TO SELL ME ON MCCAIN - 10/25/2008 9:59:27 AM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Today im home sick and watching the news and it just does not look too good for mccain and palin, only coz of the polls, however, they could change.
Sorry to hear that - hope you feel better soon IMA!
-Robb
aww thank you! just gotta get my energy back.. i made lasagna yesterday and got wiped out.. i've been watching MSNBC a lot all week and this election coverage. Its very captivating.
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