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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:16:04 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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Yes, in Buddhism they figure out for themselves what is right and wrong. I believe it's possible for a non-Christian to know right from wrong. If not, you couldn't logically know the first step to Christianity is the right choice or it could never even look like an option as a "right" choice. Yes, I know God gave us the ability so it's really Him...
I know God's plan has never changed, but according to your logic you can't know that or anything else you're saying. I guess that's pure literal faith and you're a good example to us.
How does Buddhism deal with sin? From my understanding they admit that they can't decide with certainty and use tested methods of remaining mindful, but you will beyond a resonable doubt see less sinful acts in a Buddhist community than a Christian one (even by the Christian definition).
I'm not at all "more interested in finding someone who will agree with me than finding out the truth behind my original question." I simply have deep involved study interests with a purpose. I will work on Hinduism next. I believe the things I'm learning will help me deal with the other religions and cultures and represent our Lord properly. Ever wonder why everybody hates us? Ok, because Jesus said they would, but can you blame them?
I basically consider the topic closed for my purpose. I learned from you all and I thank you. More facts revealed themselves through the postings than I could have ever imagined and I understand the world view of us much better too. Much more could be said, but I learned a while ago not to get into endless debate mode on the forums here and it doesn't make sense for me to go on defending another religion when I'm Christian. Continue if you want and I'll continue reading and absorbing the knowledge, but ignoring the ego defense/offense tactics.
Peace
If your last comment was aimed at me, I apologize if I came off as offensive. Your posts prior did not seem as though what we were saying actually mattered to you. So again I apologize if I was rude in any way. That was not my intent.
I never really understood your intent for asking this question. You didn't give us too many points to speak on. When you did, and we answered how we thought we should, you just kind of rubbed us off. I still do not really know your reason for asking, but I will leave it at that, and ask your forgiveness if you feel I was rude or offensive.
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They associate us with the historical facts of the churches murderous rampages in throughout history. Then, we're one of the few religions in their face more than anyone saying everybody else is wrong. In the mind of an unbeliever could those 2 facts logically blend by any means?
I would disagree with this statement. We are not the only religion, or the one most in peoples faces saying we are the only truth. I think Islam is more in your face than we are, and they go too extremes to prove their point.
But I do agree that we as Christians are generalized due to some, or most, or just a few of us who do come off strong. And based on history, and what was done by men in the name of the gospel, or so they thought. I don't agree with strong arm tactics in any way. The gospel doesn't need to be forced down someones throat.
But we know the truth, and are supposed to tell everyone the truth. We are not supposed to let everyone else go on living a lie. Right?
We need and are told to spread the gospel. Sometimes we go about it in the wrong way, but we are emotional also, and emotions do flare up in certain situations.
But again, I apologize eaglesfeather, I did not mean to offend you.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:27:07 PM
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Yes, in Buddhism they figure out for themselves what is right and wrong. I believe it's possible for a non-Christian to know right from wrong. If not, you couldn't logically know the first step to Christianity is the right choice or it could never even look like an option as a "right" choice. Yes, I know God gave us the ability so it's really Him...
I agree it is possible for a non Christian to know right from wrong. Society usually will tell them. The problem with Buddhism, is that each individual person gets to determine what is right and wrong to them, for them.
Am I right on this or do I have it wrong.
If this is the case, then what they believe goes against Gods word.
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I know God's plan has never changed, but according to your logic you can't know that or anything else you're saying. I guess that's pure literal faith and you're a good example to us.
I don't know who this was aimed at, but I don't see the point you are making here.
Outside of pure literal faith, I do believe what I have said, because that is what the bible tells me. I have a reason behind my thinking, a foundation, the rock, the stone the builders rejected which has now become the cornerstone, Jesus Christ. It is His words that provide me the basis for what I have stated here.
This has been a good topic.
I do not mean to be argumentative, but I am defending my faith. That is in essence what you asked us to do in your OP. To show you how Buddhism contradicts Christianity. To do that we must argue in defense of our faith.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:30:51 PM
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SavedByGraceMD,
It is me that should ask for your forgiveness and I appologize. You are correct and everyone was answering according to what I was seeking. I guess I just felt frustration (and I never should with my loved brothers and sisters) and I acted badly. The information I received here is much different than in my previous studies so I'm still trying to accept that.
Having a head cold and being tired seems to make discussion more challenging right now as well. Sorry for my outburst there.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:34:05 PM
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SavedByGraceMD
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SavedByGraceMD,
It is me that should ask for your forgiveness and I appologize. You are correct and everyone was answering according to what I was seeking. I guess I just felt frustration (and I never should with my loved brothers and sisters) and I acted badly. The information I received here is much different than in my previous studies so I'm still trying to accept that.
Having a head cold and being tired seems to make discussion more challenging right now as well. Sorry for my outburst there.
Not a problem brother. I know I can be overtly blunt, or overbearing at times. Like I said emotions can burst, and I don't know a more emotional topic than Jesus.
I hope you feel better friend, and I hope through all of this you do find what you are looking for.
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I will uphold you with my righteous right hand"
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:49:42 PM
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You're a good example for us SavedByGrace
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 12:56:14 PM
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You're a good example for us SavedByGrace
I appreciate that.
Let me just say though that it was Him, is Him, and always will be Him who provides the example.
He provides the words to say (or type), and the heart to do it with.
Praise be to God for turning that rock in my chest into a heart.
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I will strengthen you and help you,
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 8:54:01 PM
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But we know the truth, and are supposed to tell everyone the truth. We are not supposed to let everyone else go on living a lie. Right?
We need and are told to spread the gospel. Sometimes we go about it in the wrong way, but we are emotional also, and emotions do flare up in certain situations.
We as Christians all say that we know the truth, but do we really know the truth?
Isn't it proper to say, 'we believe the Bible to be true'?
Even if the Bible is true absolutely, we as the relative being cannot declare what 'I' believe is absolutely true.
Guess what we do, if we do that?
No less than what Buddhist do- finding own right way.
We dare not to admit that what 'I' do on my own is no less than what the cunning old serpent did, declaring that God is this or that according to my subjective understanding or opinion.
We surely have no intention to lie but, if we believe our subjective understanding of God as absolute truth, what we do is no less than what Peter did to the Lord who called him 'Satan", if not than Satan himself.
Why am I saying this?
Even though we know the absolute truth, we should be very careful handling it due to the very relative nature we are, 'sinful', if you will.
If we approach other religions with this kind of absolute mentality, which is seemingly haughty in the eyes of other believers in relative and subjective beliefs, we can only be seen as '*****'.
Talking about being 'tactful'.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/23/2008 9:52:07 PM
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This is what the bible says about the lie of "religion". There is only one way and that is Jesus.
Romans 1:18-25
18 But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. 19 They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. 20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. 25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 10:43:55 AM
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Kingdust!
Me and you could have endless interesting conversations about this kind of thing. In respect to the site I avoid going too much into things that might be percieved as non-Christian.
Sometimes though, I think it would be a blessing to just be like most of the others and see everything from their point of view. They say "it's all God" but "they know the truth."
I think I fully understand faith as humanity defines it, but finding logic in it is a challenge.
Thanks for your post!
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 1:25:09 PM
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buddism, is broken down by the word of god in many ways. buda was a man. and 2 out of 10 commandments speak against it.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 2:11:50 PM
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buddism, is broken down by the word of god in many ways. buda was a man. and 2 out of 10 commandments speak against it.
In Christianity our preachers are men (or sometimes women).
We are men...
I know what the commandments speak against, but what does that have to do with Buddha being a man?
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 4:42:01 PM
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Also, I noticed some information posted earlier was cut and paste from someone else's work and most of the points on Buddhism are contentious.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 9:10:27 PM
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buddism, is broken down by the word of god in many ways. buda was a man. and 2 out of 10 commandments speak against it.
Yes, Buddha was a man and he didn't know nothing about 'trust not in man'.
We are 'man' and heard about 'trust not in man'.
Do we really understand what that mean?
What is your absolute belief on that?
Should I trust your perception as absolutely true?
Isn't your perception 'of man' who is not to be trusted?
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 9:20:11 PM
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buddism, is broken down by the word of god in many ways. buda was a man. and 2 out of 10 commandments speak against it.
In Christianity our preachers are men (or sometimes women).
We are men...
I know what the commandments speak against, but what does that have to do with Buddha being a man?
do you worship them as though they are god? buddha is worshiped as a god.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 9:44:51 PM
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I don't think Buddhists necessarily worship Buddha...more like their teacher or example, but don't consider him as a deity. Buddhists aren't deists. They don't believe in salvation. They don't believe in heaven or hell. Their ultimate goal is to reach the state of Nirvana, which is the state of basically being free from existence.
I do think that Christianity does disprove Buddhism. God created us, for the His purpose, His glory. Buddhism seems to teach that existence is painful because the world is so terrible and the only way to "escape" the suffering is cease to exist...and one can only reach that IF they complete the "8 fold path"...which is basically to live a good, moral life without a single negative thought or action. If they can't complete that 8 fold path in this life, then they have to reincarnate into something else when that life ends...and so the cycle continues until they reach being "nothing".
Christianity is different. Instead of hoping to cease to exist, we have hope in eternal existence with God through His Son Jesus Christ.
...Sorry I don't really know in-depth Buddhism as I have only studied it as part of the major world religions in High School. So if I'm wrong let me know.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/24/2008 9:57:01 PM
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There is nothing wrong with studying Buddhism or any other philosophy. In fact, most of them lead to Christianity.
Eventually you will find yourself driven to the Light, the only true light and that is found only in our Lord and Saviour "Jesus Christ."
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 12:16:43 AM
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There is nothing wrong with studying Buddhism or any other philosophy. In fact, most of them lead to Christianity.
Eventually you will find yourself driven to the Light, the only true light and that is found only in our Lord and Saviour "Jesus Christ."
Unless of course you happen to die a Buddhist. Then, not so much. 
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 12:18:28 AM
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buddism, is broken down by the word of god in many ways. buda was a man. and 2 out of 10 commandments speak against it.
In Christianity our preachers are men (or sometimes women).
We are men...
I know what the commandments speak against, but what does that have to do with Buddha being a man?
Yup....all men. The trouble comes from the spirit behind Budda and it is not holy............
[quoteBUDDHISM:
1. Nothing is permanent
2. You do not really exist
3. Karma, good or bad, determines whether you reincarnate up or down the chain
4. Once you truly deny your own existence (desire), you extinguish the flame of life. You then reach
5. Nirvana and simply cease to be
Where are Buddhists going? In their OWN words, "Nowhere. I don't exist."
]Exciting. Now I'm quoting myself. Maybe I should start a religion
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 12:30:06 AM
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And eventually, the world was so messed up that the almighty creator of the universe has to give His only begotten Son to this world to crucify in their ignorance and sinful nature to save our stupid souls!
Ummmm....that is not exactly how it was. Back to Genesis.....God already had redemption in mind when He put Adam and Eve out of the garden. He was way ahead of our 'badness'. 
Oh, and BTW, why would God save 'stupid' souls? Is that what you call them in Buddhism? Oh wait...Buddhists don't have souls! Right. If God sent His only Son, and He did, He did not think our souls were stupid.
For God so loved the world (all those 'stupid' souls) that He sent His only Son that whosoever believes in Him, should have everlasting life. You don't evolve Chrisitianity. God IS. He does not change.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 12:35:50 AM
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How does Buddhism deal with sin? From my understanding they admit that they can't decide with certainty and use tested methods of remaining mindful, but you will beyond a resonable doubt see less sinful acts in a Buddhist community than a Christian one (even by the Christian definition).
I just couldn't pass this one up.
Ahem: Let's see. You will 'see' less sin in a Buddhist community than a Christian one. What is the worst sin? You know, the one that will buy you a ticket to Hades, Hell and the hotplace? Could it be the denial of THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE IN WHOM WE LIVE AND BREATH AND HAVE OUR BEING? Oh, but Chrisitians are just so much worse....they don't have all that Buddhist peace and stuff. WELL I GUESS NOT!!!! I MEAN THE DEVIL ALREADY HAS THE BUDDHISTS...WHY WOULD HE BOTHER THEM??? Yup, let's just leave them in their peaceful non-existance and go bother the Christians until they decide to join the peaceful Buddhists.
Ay yi yi....what a myth
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 8:03:33 AM
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Oh, but Chrisitians are just so much worse....they don't have all that Buddhist peace and stuff. WELL I GUESS NOT!!!! I MEAN THE DEVIL ALREADY HAS THE BUDDHISTS...WHY WOULD HE BOTHER THEM??? Yup, let's just leave them in their peaceful non-existance and go bother the Christians until they decide to join the peaceful Buddhists.
Ay yi yi....what a myth
Knowing good and evil, true and false, right and wrong, holiness and sin, we can't settle down in peace that easy. It is a mind boggling fact that we have both in our life.
If only we can forget all about them and become thoughtless, emotionless, desire-less, will-less- basically emptiness, we surely can have peace, that is, 'false peace', because our belief in self thought cannot override the reality, nor can create a reality we DESIRED against the true reality here on earth or beyond, which in Buddhism is a subject to get rid of in order to have the 'empty peace'.
How can you create a reality when you have no desire to do so, even if that is possible?
Yes, it is possible only in DECEPTION which we acknowledge but not really perceive, because we are the very creator of deception, simply because we can say 'let there be' according to my thought, but nothing happens the way I want it to be, so, we just settle with believing own thought with the reality of it unknown.
If we deal with the Christianity 'subjectively', we are no different from the Buddhist.
It is just another religion, man dealing with God, gods, or no god as a subject in man's hand, just like those idol makers mentioned in the Book of Isaiah.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 10:06:13 AM
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I don't think Buddhists necessarily worship Buddha...more like their teacher or example, but don't consider him as a deity. Buddhists aren't deists. They don't believe in salvation. They don't believe in heaven or hell. Their ultimate goal is to reach the state of Nirvana, which is the state of basically being free from existence.
I do think that Christianity does disprove Buddhism. God created us, for the His purpose, His glory. Buddhism seems to teach that existence is painful because the world is so terrible and the only way to "escape" the suffering is cease to exist...and one can only reach that IF they complete the "8 fold path"...which is basically to live a good, moral life without a single negative thought or action. If they can't complete that 8 fold path in this life, then they have to reincarnate into something else when that life ends...and so the cycle continues until they reach being "nothing".
Christianity is different. Instead of hoping to cease to exist, we have hope in eternal existence with God through His Son Jesus Christ.
...Sorry I don't really know in-depth Buddhism as I have only studied it as part of the major world religions in High School. So if I'm wrong let me know.
why do they have statues of buddha? i would call that a form of worship.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 4:20:53 PM
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why do they have statues of buddha? i would call that a form of worship.
Why do various Christians, Atheists, etc. etc. have statues of deer, trolls, Santa Claus and whatever else you can think of? I don't think they worship them...
The Buddhist statues are simply representative of goals or the philosophies they live by. That's my opinion anyway.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 8:14:30 PM
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and buddha made those goals for them to set their high standings on right. so they worship what the man was about and want to be like him. hmm that sounds an awful lot like i want to be like christ and i worship him. sounds alot like a worshipping session to me. they look to buddha and his life to set their own lives on. yea sounds alot like worship.
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RE: Does Christianity Disprove Buddhism? - 10/25/2008 10:01:44 PM
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But we know the truth, and are supposed to tell everyone the truth. We are not supposed to let everyone else go on living a lie. Right?
We need and are told to spread the gospel. Sometimes we go about it in the wrong way, but we are emotional also, and emotions do flare up in certain situations.
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We as Christians all say that we know the truth, but do we really know the truth?
Isn't it proper to say, 'we believe the Bible to be true'?
If the bible is true, then we know the truth. If the bible is absolute truth, then we know the absolute truth. I don't see your point.
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Even if the Bible is true absolutely, we as the relative being cannot declare what 'I' believe is absolutely true.
Guess what we do, if we do that?
No less than what Buddhist do- finding own right way.
I disagree with that
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We dare not to admit that what 'I' do on my own is no less than what the cunning old serpent did, declaring that God is this or that according to my subjective understanding or opinion.
We surely have no intention to lie but, if we believe our subjective understanding of God as absolute truth, what we do is no less than what Peter did to the Lord who called him 'Satan", if not than Satan himself.
Why am I saying this?
Even though we know the absolute truth, we should be very careful handling it due to the very relative nature we are, 'sinful', if you will.
If we approach other religions with this kind of absolute mentality, which is seemingly haughty in the eyes of other believers in relative and subjective beliefs, we can only be seen as '*****'.
Talking about being 'tactful'.
This I agree with, and eaglesfeather is a Christian, so I didn't really think about it. Of course we should be more tactful talking to someone of a different religion about the bible, God, and Jesus. It would come off as disrespectful if we blatantly say we know the truth and they follow lies from satan. I wouldn't do that. But thanks for the heads up, and the advice.
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