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What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 11:13:03 AM
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d4nnyb0y02
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Many speculate (myself included) the sins of the men who had gathered stones to stone the woman accused of adultery. We don't know with 100% certainty, but I found this interesting.
Jeremiah 17:13 says "Hope of Israel, Adonai! All who abandon you will be ashamed, those who leave you will be inscribed in the dust, because they have abandoned Adonai, the source of living water."
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:11:21 PM
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It could have been that. It could also have been the passage where it says that if a man and woman are caught in adultery BOTH are to be stoned. It could have also been the rabbinic tradition that says only the eye witnesses (2 minimum required) throw the first stones and they must be not involved in the scandel.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:19:39 PM
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Pure speculation...
Many have said that He was writing out the names & sins of those the accusers were having sexual affairs with. In other words... they themselves were guilty of the same.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:19:57 PM
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I dont believe he was writing anything. I believe it was just scribble. Kinda like if you are at a meeting and you are bored and you just scribble nothing in particular.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:27:07 PM
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Batman logo.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:53:54 PM
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just doodling, He was waiting on the Father to tell him what to say... course Jesus being the intellegent person he was could have come up with something witty and just, but instead He knelt down and waited... He turned inward if you will, and when the Father seen his obedience He gave him the Word to speak.... nothing could have done better than what the Father told him.
Jesus said the words that i speak are what the Father says, and i don't do anything except what i see Him do.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 12:57:48 PM
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Recipie for a good batch of chili? 
Honestly, does it really matter? I've always gone in with the idea that he was just scribbling. Perhaps to think and buy himself a little time. The people who brought that woman to Jesus put him in a VERY interesting predicament in doing so.
On one hand, He could've told them NOT to stone her. However, in doing so, He'd be violating the Jewish laws from the O.T., and how would that affect his teaching? Not very well, at that time.
On the other hand, He could've said to stone her. But how would that have gone along with his preaching of forgiveness and mercy?
Instead, Christ does the smart thing. He turns the tables onto the crowd and sets a precident for the rest of time.... He tells them, "Let He who has no sin cast the first stone." The crowd, now, is on the defensive. He's forced them to remember their own sins and when they've probably begged for mercy or forgiveness from others. They can abide by the law, but how many of them should've been punished in accordance to it as well.
I've always felt that the point where He was drawing in the sand was just a time for Him to stop and reflect on how to best deal with the situation, or perhaps to pray for the best answer. What he was drawing/writing was moot.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:17:29 PM
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No offense, but Paul tells us that 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
I understand that this isn't a matter of salvation, but I don't feel jesting is necessary. No offense intended. Is there another forum where we can discuss "lighter" matters of scripture? I wouldn't mind being directed there. "Nothing," "doodling," "bordem," or "Batman logo," isn't very profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, or instruction in righteousness, that I can think of... I mean, if you can find another example of where Jesus did something without a purpose (aka, doodled his time away, or did nothing in bordem), I would accept that as valid answers... but I think Jesus was always about His Father's business, doing or saying something of significance.
If we are going to speculate, lets speculate on something that is profitable. :) If, for example, Jesus was writing the sins of the men who were there, it adds another demension to what was happening, I feel. But, I was just curious. I thought I would get more sincere answers (Not that there weren't some who were sincere, because there were).
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:26:55 PM
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No offense, but Paul tells us that 2 Timothy 3:16 that "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
So the fact that Jesus wrote in the dirt is somehow important, you're saying?
Honestly, I think you're reading too much into it. Its just a detail. Just because Timothy 3:16 says that doesn't mean that there aren't details included that are just that.... details. Nothing else. If Jesus had writen something of grand value to us while making this decision, you can bet your bottom dollar that it would've been included in Scripture.
But it wasn't. Hence why I said that I doubt He was writing anything at all. He was probably buying Himself time (either to think for Himself, or to have the Father direct Him) so He could give the best answer.
And hence, the fun I had with the section of my answer about the chili.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:28:50 PM
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Well, I'm just reading into it. I believe all scripture is inspired and good for the thigns Paul told us :-/. I'm not saying it's "heavy" matter of importance, but I know that Jesus didn't inscribe a batman logo on the ground.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:37:26 PM
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I'm not sure what Jesus wrote, but I do believe I can understand why He did it. You see when Jesus started writing, all eyes were on Him, and off her. Jesus knows that having our sins pointed out is painful. He never denied the fact that she had sinned. He took it and gave her a commission. "Go and sin no more."
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:44:18 PM
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This above is what I was getting at when I said you might be able to find importance in the act, rather than what was writen.
I can see this.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 1:49:47 PM
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Superman's maybe?
I'm sorry, man. I couldn't resist.
But seriously, don't you think that if what He was drawing on the ground was important, one of the writers of the Gospels would've made sure to put what it was into their book? Again, why I lean to the idea that what was writen wasn't of importance.
Now, if you want to find importance in the act itself, I think that's possible. For example, as I mentioned, Christ KNOWS He's being tested here. Could this hesitance to respond be a sign of how highly he holds the potential ramifications of this situation?
I'm just saying that if were going to speculate, which we must if we are going to have an idea of what was written, I'm just saying... lets speculate in sincerity. Jesus wrote something with his finger, and I don't think he was playing pictionary, that's all. I mean, the question is asked, "What did He write?" We know that He wrote something... so if we are going to speculate some answers, lets speculate some answers that are in line w/ His character :).
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 2:31:15 PM
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Remember when Jesus said "you search the scriptures (Torah) for in them you think you have eternal life, these are they which testify of Me." I like you, believe that everything in the Bible is there for a reason, and the fact that it says that Jesus wrote in the dirt is, I believe, significant. I believe it points BACK to the Old Testiment (and therefore testifies in a way to Jesus being the Messiah) to the verse where the sins are revealed by writing in the dirt. (I can't remember the exact verse, sorry.
Anyway, that's my opinon why/what He might have written in the dirt. I too have speculated on it when I read it. The Bible is full of mysteries that the H.S. reveals to us as we ask Him to reveal to us before we read His word. Truely the greatest Book ever written. 
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 2:35:51 PM
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I understand that this isn't a matter of salvation, but I don't feel jesting is necessary.
It's not "jesting." It's having fun, because, quite frankly, there is NO answer we are going to come up with that is better than another.
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I mean, if you can find another example of where Jesus did something without a purpose (aka, doodled his time away, or did nothing in bordem), I would accept that as valid answers... but I think Jesus was always about His Father's business, doing or saying something of significance.
Wedding party?
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If we are going to speculate, lets speculate on something that is profitable. :) If, for example, Jesus was writing the sins of the men who were there, it adds another demension to what was happening, I feel.
So if we are going to make something up, we should just make something up that makes our doctrine sound better?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 2:38:14 PM
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Well, I'm just reading into it. I believe all scripture is inspired and good for the thigns Paul told us :-/. I'm not saying it's "heavy" matter of importance, but I know that Jesus didn't inscribe a batman logo on the ground.
Yes. Scripture is inspired and good, but we never have to 'read between the lines' to get out of it. Scripture is pretty simple and straightforward. If it doesn't say, it doesn't matter.
You don't know that Jesus didn't draw the batman logo anymore than you can know that Jesus drew everyone's sins.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:04:51 PM
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I mean, if you can find another example of where Jesus did something without a purpose (aka, doodled his time away, or did nothing in bordem), I would accept that as valid answers... but I think Jesus was always about His Father's business, doing or saying something of significance.
Wedding party?
THat's one. And there are actually a lot of examples of this. We have examples where Jesus is teaching to people, but we don't know what He's teaching about (such as when He was out in Peter's boat, and then told Peter to cast his nets over to the other side of the boat). Some of these things are just details in the Bible. It doesn't mean that they're not good or inspired, but they're simply there as details, and nothing more. As 1love1god1way put, we shouldn't have to read between the lines to get stuff out of the Scriptures.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:07:19 PM
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I tend to think he was feigning inattention, doodling in the dirt. Other instances(writing on the wall in Daniel, the placard above his cross...) the text is noted.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:13:44 PM
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I tend to think he was feigning inattention, doodling in the dirt. Other instances(writing on the wall in Daniel, the placard above his cross...) the text is noted.
I agree. If we were meant to know or if it were significant, it would have been recorded.
This speculation reminds me about a commentary on Revelation 10 where John heard the seven thunders but he was told, "Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not." With nothing solid to go on, the writer went on to explain in several paragraghs what those seven thunders must have been.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:15:17 PM
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It's not "jesting." It's having fun, because, quite frankly, there is NO answer we are going to come up with that is better than another.
Actually, I can think of lots of possiblities that are better than a Batman logo.
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Wedding party?
What of it? What did he do that was pointless and without cause?
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So if we are going to make something up, we should just make something up that makes our doctrine sound better?
Yes, our doctrine, as Chrsitains. Batman logo's aren't sound docrine in case you didn't know.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:16:56 PM
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Well, I'm just reading into it. I believe all scripture is inspired and good for the thigns Paul told us :-/. I'm not saying it's "heavy" matter of importance, but I know that Jesus didn't inscribe a batman logo on the ground.
Yes. Scripture is inspired and good, but we never have to 'read between the lines' to get out of it. Scripture is pretty simple and straightforward. If it doesn't say, it doesn't matter.
You don't know that Jesus didn't draw the batman logo anymore than you can know that Jesus drew everyone's sins.
You said read between the lines, not me (please keep note of that). As I recall, you are the one that said Jesus was drawing a Batman logo.
This isn't even about the signicance of what was written anymore, it's about having a reverence for God's Word.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:21:04 PM
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What of it? What did he do that was pointless and without cause?
I think He's referring to the fact that Jesus was at a wedding part. We don't know who's wedding or why he was there. We just know that He's at a wedding party. There's no real point to it, except that its a wedding party.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/22/2008 4:24:00 PM
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THat's one. And there are actually a lot of examples of this. We have examples where Jesus is teaching to people, but we don't know what He's teaching about (such as when He was out in Peter's boat, and then told Peter to cast his nets over to the other side of the boat). Some of these things are just details in the Bible. It doesn't mean that they're not good or inspired, but they're simply there as details, and nothing more. As 1love1god1way put, we shouldn't have to read between the lines to get stuff out of the Scriptures.
What you say contridicts what Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 3:16.
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Just because you have not attained understanding from what Jesus told Peter to do when he had him cast his net, doesn't mean there isn't understanding to be gathered. It just means you have not gathered understanding from it.
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