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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:41:43 PM
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RamiRedeemed
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That's not what I asked.
Regardless, its what I answered. If you have a point to make, please do so.
My point was that the scripture isn't ALL about the law. You must've missed that, but I'll forgive you, even if you don't answer the question.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:42:19 PM
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I think He wrote 2 Timoth 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Or was it Titus 3:9? But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless[/b]
A good point to consider. However, I don't think a discussion about the sincerity, consistancy, and integrity of Christ's witness on Earth is a foolish dispute. I think it is a dispute worth having, and worth understanding.
Or, were you referring to their attention to the law? Those about to stone that woman?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:42:43 PM
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I think He wrote 2 Timoth 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Or was it Titus 3:9? But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useles]
I have to agree with you Rami, this is all getting a little out of hand.
I can see the picture from both sides. Those who say it holds importance because that He wrote something was written down. And those that say it is unimportant, because it does not say what was written down.
After that, I don't think we should be questioning each others motives, and or love for our savior just because we can't all agree on speculation theories.
We are the body and should not be bickering over who is right.
Exactly!
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:43:34 PM
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My point was that the scripture isn't ALL about the law. You must've missed that, but I'll forgive you, even if you don't answer the question.
I think I know far better than you ever will about scripture not being about the law, as far too many people have held me to their own "laws" in my past, so please.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:43:36 PM
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I think we're all acting like we got the dirt thrown at us instead of just leaving our opinions as mere opinions...
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:47:15 PM
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A good point to consider. However, I don't think a discussion about the sincerity, consistancy, and integrity of Christ's witness on Earth is a foolish dispute. I think it is a dispute worth having, and worth understanding.
Let me rephrase that... how does Christ writing in the dirt and taking a wild guess at it have anything to do with "sincerity, consistancy, and intergrity of Christ's witness on Earth?"
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:51:51 PM
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My point was that the scripture isn't ALL about the law. You must've missed that, but I'll forgive you, even if you don't answer the question.
I think I know far better than you ever will about scripture not being about the law, as far too many people have held me to their own "laws" in my past, so please.
Hon you don't know anything about me so don't tell me what I do or do not know. But in all due respect, congratulations on being a scholar on the law.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:52:20 PM
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Hon you don't know anything about me so don't tell me what I do or do not know. But in all due respect, congratulations on being a scholar on the law.
Likewise, hon.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:55:57 PM
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I think He wrote 2 Timoth 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Or was it Titus 3:9? But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless[/b]
Context is key....In the Timothy verses he was speaking of false teachers like Phygellus and Hermogenes who had turned against the Gospel. He was saying not to get into arguments over the junk they were promoting, but just to promote the truth of the Gospel with patience and sincerity. It was not about Christians discussing Scripture.
Titus was addressing those who were promoting Jewish law; heretics that brought in division to the household of the faith. Again, not about Christians discussing Scripture.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 4:56:05 PM
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Hon you don't know anything about me so don't tell me what I do or do not know. But in all due respect, congratulations on being a scholar on the law.
Likewise, hon.
I never said what you did or didnt know. I said that you must've missed that the entire scripture is not about the law. So, hon, don't put words in my mouth.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:03:58 PM
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I never said what you did or didnt know.
That is exactly what you implied.
Also like I never claimed to be a "scholar" on the law.
This is getting personal. IF you want to take this discussion to PM's, that might be the best.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:09:35 PM
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I think He wrote 2 Timoth 2:23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
Or was it Titus 3:9? But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless[/b]
Context is key....In the Timothy verses he was speaking of false teachers like Phygellus and Hermogenes who had turned against the Gospel. He was saying not to get into arguments over the junk they were promoting, but just to promote the truth of the Gospel with patience and sincerity. It was not about Christians discussing Scripture.
Titus was addressing those who were promoting Jewish law; heretics that brought in division to the household of the faith. Again, not about Christians discussing Scripture.
But, that ^^ said, I do agree with this:
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I don't think we should be questioning each others motives, and or love for our savior just because we can't all agree on speculation theories.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:17:45 PM
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I never said what you did or didnt know.
That is exactly what you implied.
Also like I never claimed to be a "scholar" on the law.
This is getting personal. IF you want to take this discussion to PM's, that might be the best.
I posted a scripture and you got defensive. I can't be held accountable for that. If YOU have a problem, well don't PM me, just get over it.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:21:53 PM
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Okay, Skippy...it's not worth getting our skivvies in a bunch now, is it?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:47:12 PM
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This conversation is getting ridiculous, nobody in here or elsewhere could seriously believe that Jesus wrote the Batman symbol or a tic tac toe game. I mean come on...this post is not about saving souls or condoning sin or any other such serious subjects that are not open to jesting. Believers in Christ come from many varied back grounds and are in varied levels of faith and growth.
Hence you will tend to come across a few of us that do not take our own opinions quiet as serious as you do yours. You placed a rather unique observation of seemingly undiagnosed scripture out to the general population of the Internet to be openly commented on.
You did not say "Only serious lemon eating Christians need reply" Sure there are many, such as I, who take every word, every notion, every expressed emotion of Christ VERY seriously. My first post, in which I was guessing He could have written the name of the man, that was not brought out to be stoned was of a serious nature and to me... a possibility.
My second post was an attempt to get you to lighten up on those who responded in a joking nature...not to poke fun at you or the Lord (God forbid) but to be their natural light hearted selves in a place they thought they could be. If you think your among friends, you tend to act differently then you would before a judge. But then again maybe we are before a judge, one who knows our hearts and one who thinks he does.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:49:33 PM
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What conclusions have WE drawn? How have WE expressed the character of Jesus in the speculations of our mind and heart? What possibilities have WE conjured up in our speculation of Jesus' action and intent? I find it interesting. Some of us have given what I believe to be wise, sincere, plausible answers that are in tune with Jesus' character. Some, however, have given what I see as mocking, insincere, and totally implausible answers that are against the character of Jesus.
Therefore, I have come to understand that speculating on this matter shows us more truth about ourselves (our own hearts and thoughts) than it does about what actually happened. Our conclusions have shown us not only what we know about Jesus historically, but what we feel about our Lord's character... Our Creator... and the Reedemer of our souls. It has been to good to speculate on the matter.
Amen. And what I have emboldened is especially true. Our response shows who we are, what is in our hearts, and how much of His likeness we share.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 5:51:29 PM
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Amen. And what I have emboldened is especially true. Our response shows who we are, what is in our hearts, and how much of His likeness we share.
soooo true
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 7:28:57 PM
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What conclusions have WE drawn? How have WE expressed the character of Jesus in the speculations of our mind and heart? What possibilities have WE conjured up in our speculation of Jesus' action and intent? I find it interesting. Some of us have given what I believe to be wise, sincere, plausible answers that are in tune with Jesus' character. Some, however, have given what I see as mocking, insincere, and totally implausible answers that are against the character of Jesus.
Therefore, I have come to understand that speculating on this matter shows us more truth about ourselves (our own hearts and thoughts) than it does about what actually happened. Our conclusions have shown us not only what we know about Jesus historically, but what we feel about our Lord's character... Our Creator... and the Reedemer of our souls. It has been to good to speculate on the matter.
Amen. And what I have emboldened is especially true. Our response shows who we are, what is in our hearts, and how much of His likeness we share.
Or it shows how people misinterpret what we say, and then judge our hearts. . .
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 7:32:22 PM
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Ben I don't think Jesus got upset that you suggested that He wrote batman lol. I think God has a sense of humor like the rest of us.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 7:39:57 PM
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Ben I don't think Jesus got upset that you suggested that He wrote batman lol. I think God has a sense of humor like the rest of us.
Thanks, Rami :)
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 9:15:50 PM
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Are you having a bad day? Can I pray for you?
My day has been absolutely fine, Thank you. As for prayer, I'd appreciate it if you didn't.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 9:30:21 PM
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What conclusions have WE drawn? How have WE expressed the character of Jesus in the speculations of our mind and heart? What possibilities have WE conjured up in our speculation of Jesus' action and intent? I find it interesting. Some of us have given what I believe to be wise, sincere, plausible answers that are in tune with Jesus' character. Some, however, have given what I see as mocking, insincere, and totally implausible answers that are against the character of Jesus.
Therefore, I have come to understand that speculating on this matter shows us more truth about ourselves (our own hearts and thoughts) than it does about what actually happened. Our conclusions have shown us not only what we know about Jesus historically, but what we feel about our Lord's character... Our Creator... and the Reedemer of our souls. It has been to good to speculate on the matter.
Amen. And what I have emboldened is especially true. Our response shows who we are, what is in our hearts, and how much of His likeness we share.
Or it shows how people misinterpret what we say, and then judge our hearts. . .
Your statement is not an 'or' statement. . . as if it differs from mine. Your statement is in agreement and the very point being made. Or are you just trying to elaborate on the thought? Then it would be and.
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No, I didn't get defensive; that's what YOU did, and you became rather accusatory and assumptive about my knowledge of scripture. And YOU ARE accountable for that, no matter how young you are. Again, I say, if you have a problem and you want to discuss this, let's take this to PM's. Otherwise, please drop it.
