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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 10:04:58 PM
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1love1God1way
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No. I mean it as an "or" because i think I have been misunderstood, and because I brought up the batman logo, I have been judged as having a lesser view of my Lord and Savior. My heart has been judged, but under false pretenses.
I have an utmost respect and loyalty to Jesus Christ, and in no way did my comment show otherwise within me, only in other people's eyes.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 10:27:28 PM
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Dan94
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Ben, even though it hurts and even angers when people lay their short comings at your feet. Please do not let it get to you, we are judged by God alone...as you said and I agree, He knows your heart and mine better then anyone.
Love in Christ..Dan
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 11:20:50 PM
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No. I mean it as an "or" because i think I have been misunderstood, and because I brought up the batman logo, I have been judged as having a lesser view of my Lord and Savior. My heart has been judged, but under false pretenses.
I have an utmost respect and loyalty to Jesus Christ, and in no way did my comment show otherwise within me, only in other people's eyes.
Remember that a person's response reflects their heart, not yours. I knew your response was you being funny and it was understood in that context. Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended you---that was not my intention and I apologize.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/30/2008 11:41:51 PM
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1love1God1way
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Oh, it's okay guys.
I don't get offended. All is well.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 10:20:49 AM
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This conversation is getting ridiculous, nobody in here or elsewhere could seriously believe that Jesus wrote the Batman symbol or a tic tac toe game. I mean come on...this post is not about saving souls or condoning sin or any other such serious subjects that are not open to jesting.
See, we agree. Nobody could possibly believe that Jesus wrote a Batman symbol or a game of tic-tac-toe in the dirt. But, I disagree that this isn't about saving souls. Every bit of our willingness to attend or not attend to God's Word with sincerity and integrity is a step in the direction of saving or losing souls. If you can't be sincere in private, or in the company of those who are saved, how do we intend to be sincere when in the company of the unsaved?
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Believers in Christ come from many varied back grounds and are in varied levels of faith and growth. Hence you will tend to come across a few of us that do not take our own opinions quiet as serious as you do yours.
Agreed. We come from all different backgrounds. But, what is that saying? We all worship the same God, correct? I know it's rhetorical, because I'm quite sure you're already fully aware that we worship a single God, but I'm going to quote Jesus, because He repeated it too.
Mark 12:29 -- And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.
In spite of our various backgrounds and circumstances, we worship ONE God. Our goal then is to come into perfect fellowship with Him, who is One Lord. We will come across a few of us that do not take God's Word quiet as seriously as others--like you said, we are varying levels of faith. That's true, we are all on varying levels of faith. I think this reminder would be better suited for someone who is *striking members from the body* rather than someone like me who is *correcting members of the body*. Do you tell a little plant (if you spoke to a plant), "You do not need sunlight, for you are just a little plant, and have room to grow," or do you say to the plant, "It's okay not to drink water today, you are still just a growing plant, and it's okay not to drink your water when you are still so young."? Or, "You don't need to be planted in the dirty soil, there will be plenty of time for that when you are older." My point is that regaurdless of one's varying level of faith, circumstance, walk, background, etc... we should be striving for sincerity, at all times, to plant ourselves FIRMLY in God's Word, and to take it seriously when addressing God's Word, and not mocking it. Yes, saying that Jesus drew a batman logo, or anything of the like is doing just that, insincere and mocking--that is my judgment and I stand by it.
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My second post was an attempt to get you to lighten up on those who responded in a joking nature...not to poke fun at you or the Lord (God forbid) but to be their natural light hearted selves in a place they thought they could be. If you think your among friends, you tend to act differently then you would before a judge. But then again maybe we are before a judge, one who knows our hearts and one who thinks he does.
We weren't talking about cars, jobs, or life in general--we were addressing God's Word, about what JESUS the ONE LORD might have transcribed with the FINGER OF GOD when SAVING A WOMAN FROM BEING MURDERED BY HYPOCRITES. Now, I see a difference, don't you? Joking about sports and our jobs, or joking about the other? There is a difference, I think you can agree... So, while your post was an attempt to get me to lighten up on the matter, my post was an attempt to get you and others to un-lighten up on the matter. So, I guess we've both said our peace. :)
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 10:32:58 AM
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We weren't talking about cars, jobs, or life in general--we were addressing God's Word, about what JESUS the ONE LORD might have transcribed with the FINGER OF GOD when SAVING A WOMAN FROM BEING MURDERED BY HYPOCRITES. Now, I see a difference, don't you? Joking about sports and our jobs, or joking about the other? There is a difference, I think you can agree... So, while your post was an attempt to get me to lighten up on the matter, my post was an attempt to get you and others to un-lighten up on the matter. So, I guess we've both said our peace. :)
The problem is that you're asking a question that, by your own admission, is NOT about a serious subject. Nobody knows what (if anything) Jesus wrote in the dirt. There's no proof that it was anything more than a scribble of meanless lines that he drew as he let the mob settle down. With nothing to go on, what's the point of trying to be serious about this? The gospels even suggest that what the crowd HEARD was enough to make them think twice about stoning the woman.
With this not being a serious topic, is it really worth getting bent out of shape over? Loosen up, man. You're better than this.
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My point is that regaurdless of one's varying level of faith, circumstance, walk, background, etc... we should be striving for sincerity, at all times, to plant ourselves FIRMLY in God's Word, and to take it seriously when addressing God's Word, and not mocking it. Yes, saying that Jesus drew a batman logo, or anything of the like is doing just that, insincere and mocking--that is my judgment and I stand by it.
Having fun with a subject that isn't serious to begin with dosn't mean that we haven't planted ourselves firmly in God's Word. I highly doubt that God was offended by any of the comments about Jesus drawing a Batman logo.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:22:10 AM
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Well, I'm sure I said what Jesus specifically wrote in the dirt wasn't an serious doctrinal matter because nobody can know what specifically He wrote. However, the types of things Jesus would write is an important doctrinal issue that we base on His character. I don't think it's funny to joke about it, personally. I don't think Jesus would draw a Batman logo... I also don't think He would draw pornographic images or direct absenities towards the accusers. Someone could suggest it, but if they are just joking, it's all in fun, right?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:29:57 AM
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TorchHeart
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However, the type of things Jesus would write is an important doctrinal issue that we base on His character.
I fail to see any importance of guess work that we can't base on anything. Especially when, even based on his character, it could very well have been absolutely nothing. Do you see where I'm coming from?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:31:34 AM
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Batman logo.
rofl, I think that even Jesus would laugh at that one, God does have a sense of humor
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:39:38 AM
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However, the type of things Jesus would write is an important doctrinal issue that we base on His character.
I fail to see any importance of guess work that we can't base on anything. Especially when, even based on his character, it could very well have been absolutely nothing. Do you see where I'm coming from?
I don't want to disagree with you just for the sake of it, that really isn't my heart. So, I will just say that if you sincerely thought He wrote nothing particular in the dirt, then okay. He doodled while he waited for the accusers to respond to what He just told them, "Let him without sin cast the first stone." To those who made a joke out of what Jesus might have wrote, however, I don't really find it funny.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:57:53 AM
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TorchHeart
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Now I am curious. What happens at Wal-Mart at midnight?
When I was working in television, that was the only time I had to do my shopping, so I was there a lot in the evening... plus the lines and crowds weren't so bad. However, some of the things I saw and people I ran into were.... welll,..... interesting. (Some of the stories I can't even mention on this board, but I got good laughs out of telling them.)
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 11:59:59 AM
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Now I am curious. What happens at Wal-Mart at midnight?
When I was working in television, that was the only time I had to do my shopping, so I was there a lot in the evening... plus the lines and crowds weren't so bad. However, some of the things I saw and people I ran into were.... welll,..... interesting. (Some of the stories I can't even mention on this board, but I got good laughs out of telling them.)
Oh ok, I thought you were going to tell me that all the lights on W.A.L.M.A.R went out leaving a glowing T that looks like a cross. That would have been cool, lol.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 10/31/2008 12:24:50 PM
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TorchHeart
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They close the self-checkout lanes and make you use one set of doors instead of two. And, they stock shelves and buff the floors. Very exciting. :)
Oh, man. If you knew the half of it.
One night: A woman, a man, a changing room, and an urgent call over the P.A. system followed by a visit by the cops.
That's all I'll say; you do the math. Yes, I wish I was kidding.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/7/2008 3:17:03 PM
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Wow I've never seen this forum before. Stumbled on it looking for the reference to Jesus writing in the dirt. I just finished reading this whole thing, which has been alternately entertaining and disheartening.
1love, torchheart, and walker 311 - thanks for making me laugh out loud at work. Good, good stuff.
Dannyboy - thanks for making me really annoyed. As a life-long believer, I am firmly convinced there is nothing so serious that we can't communicate using humor. Any great preacher, teacher, or leader knows that humor can be used to illustrate the most serious subjects. I believe that 1love made the batman joke NOT to disrespect God's word, but to point out that ultimately we can't ever know what Christ wrote, and that we should focus on the known facts rather than speculate. This is a valid point, and I thought he made it well... it's called satire. It's fairly sophisticated and often hard to communicate in text, and I suspect you just missed the point. I get the impression that you're REALLY annoyed because he seemed to be poking fun at you, and have made it a "moral" issue. In my opinion there is nothing as off-putting as a Christian who tries to dictate to others the proper "tone" to be used for discussing certain subjects. It smacks of the folks in the 1980-1990's who tried to tell us that "contemporary" styles of music were incompatible with the faith.
Also, I think comparing humor and sexuality is completely intellectually dishonest. The Bible is very clear in many places about the proper context for sexuality, and very clear about when it is a sin. Sexuality is very clearly immoral in certain contexts. Not so with humor. Humor is one of the ways that humans use verbal communication to communicate - there is nothing inherently moral or immoral about it. To my knowledge, there is nothing in the Bible that tells us humor is verboten in some contexts, and in particular, when discussing the things that you personally feel should only be discussed with the highest gravity. I assure you, give me any topic in the Bible and I will find a way to discuss it with humor. The fact is, some people communicate with humor more than others. Clearly you are in the latter category, which is fine. I'm sure you don't feel the need to lighten up, and people can't change who they are - but next time, please think twice about getting all preachy at fellow Christians who just happen to be really funny.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/7/2008 4:24:28 PM
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Well maybe He wrote, "What in the world were you thinking"?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/7/2008 4:31:32 PM
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This just popped into my head:
I've said before that I didn't think Jesus wrote anything of importance in the dirt, but why would he have drawn in the dirt to begin with?
What about this?
Jesus was simply doodling in the dirt because the crowd was so fired up to stone this woman that they wouldn't have listened to Him, right away, anyway. The act of writing/drawing in the dirt was to give the people more time to settle down, so that when He DID finally say something of importance (which He clearly did), they would let it sink into their heads and hearts.
I think we can all relate to this, too. Have you ever been so mad at someone that you refuse to listen to them, no matter what they say to try and reason with you? Maybe even God? This is Jesus showing us that, when we settle down and get over our rage/anger/passion/etc., we can hear and understand what God is saying to us.
Thoughts? Criticisms? Agreements?
EDIT: This could also show us that God is willing to wait and be patient in giving us an answer to our questions (especially if we're being unreasonable) until we're ready to listen to Him.
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