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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 5:18:16 PM
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Dan94
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I think He wrote out the secret ingredients to Kentucky Fried Chicken, that's why everyone left...they were hungry.
Lets get a grip, if it was not recorded then it was not faith building, God glorifying or important to our salvation. I completely understand why the question was raised, because I'm curious myself...but to say there is a wrong answer or accuse fellow Christians of shallow insight because they joke, is wrong before our King.
The twist and turns this thread has taken are truly amazing, I have always wondered how denominations came to be. Arguing over an unspecified writing in the sand? Throwing out accusations because of perhaps mis-placed humor? The human nature in us is controlling the spiritual nature God wants us to be One in. Lets glorify Christ in our love towards one another and accept different attitudes, points of view, and observations. The act of Jesus saving that woman, controlling a hostile crowd with the tip of His finger as when He told the wind and waves "Peace...be still", that in it self holds my attention. What He wrote might have been just for that place, that time and that crowd, but not important enough that we must know.
As far as I know there are only three times in the whole bible (bible scholars, correct me if I'm wrong) where God wrote anything with His own hand. The tablets of stone for the ten commandments, the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel and the writing in the sand. Now I know in the book of Daniel it does not say it was the actual hand of God, but Daniel gives the interpretation to the evil king as though it came directly from God.
The point is simple, the two other times everyone knew what was written because God Himself revealed it. Perhaps when we get to heaven and after maybe 10,000 years or so...one of us can ask. But I think when we are surrounded by His glory...it may take us 10,000 years to remember to ask.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 5:39:37 PM
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Actually, dirt is only one option. Could have been a concrete block in the hole before. We don't know. But with research of the physical presence, we can establish the material.
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False pretense, see. *Not* all things are possible. But with God, all things are possible(Mat.19:26).
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For instance... if someone said he drew pornographic symbols and wrote profain slanders to the accusers, that doesn't fit. Not *all* things are possible. Just as it is not possible for *all* things to fit into a 36 sq. ft hole. Only something 36 sq. feet or smaller could fit in a 36 sq. foot hole.
It is possible. However, it is not probable because of and I quote you, "what was written is limited by Jesus character".
But, If God wanted to put a 36,000 sq. ft. home into a 36 sq.ft. hole, don't tell me He can't. If we wanted to do it, we probably could ourselves. Bio-chemistry & the study of physics has enabled man to do what was once considered the impossible & man can't even touch the surface of God's ability, but God is revealing His knowledge daily to those who believe, those who believe that the scripture in Matthew 19:26 has a purpose, not just a warm, fuzzy feel- good sound to it.
All scripture has a purpose and if it is not in scripture, then it is simply not significant to the lesson.
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Since Jesus is writting with his own finger, what was written is limited by Jesus character. How then would we know what Jesus would write? We must examine his character. I just don't get the importance or even significance of spending so much valuable time contemplating something that was not important enough for God to include in the Book of Life. It's like discussing, "Was Jesus left-handed or right-handed"?
The things Jesus could have written in the dirt are not endless. Jesus was without sin, therefore nothing Jesus wrote in the dirt was sinful. This greatly limits what could and could not have written in the dust, because we know Jesus was without sin.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 6:31:39 PM
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The things Jesus could have written in the dirt are not endless. Jesus was without sin, therefore nothing Jesus wrote in the dirt was sinful. This greatly limits what could and could not have written in the dust, because we know Jesus was without sin.
Okay. This is getting waaaay off track, so I will will say that I understand what you are saying and fully agree that Jesus was without sin and would never write anything sinful.
I believe that we simply have different understandings of the words "could have" and "would have" or "possible" and "probable".
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 7:54:09 PM
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wow... who knew this top would stir up such controversy.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 8:00:17 PM
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This is getting waaaay off track, so I will will say that I understand what you are saying and fully agree that Jesus was without sin and would never write anything sinful.
You mean there was a track to this thread to begin with???  If so, can we derail the train so I can buy a ticket on another one that's going somewhere?
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I think He wrote out the secret ingredients to Kentucky Fried Chicken, that's why everyone left...they were hungry.
That would explain why the Colonel always looked so old in all those KFC commercials.
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Lets get a grip, if it was not recorded then it was not faith building, God glorifying or important to our salvation. I completely understand why the question was raised, because I'm curious myself...but to say there is a wrong answer or accuse fellow Christians of shallow insight because they joke, is wrong before our King.
The twist and turns this thread has taken are truly amazing, I have always wondered how denominations came to be. Arguing over an unspecified writing in the sand? Throwing out accusations because of perhaps mis-placed humor? The human nature in us is controlling the spiritual nature God wants us to be One in. Lets glorify Christ in our love towards one another and accept different attitudes, points of view, and observations. The act of Jesus saving that woman, controlling a hostile crowd with the tip of His finger as when He told the wind and waves "Peace...be still", that in it self holds my attention. What He wrote might have been just for that place, that time and that crowd, but not important enough that we must know.
As far as I know there are only three times in the whole bible (bible scholars, correct me if I'm wrong) where God wrote anything with His own hand. The tablets of stone for the ten commandments, the writing on the wall in the book of Daniel and the writing in the sand. Now I know in the book of Daniel it does not say it was the actual hand of God, but Daniel gives the interpretation to the evil king as though it came directly from God.
The point is simple, the two other times everyone knew what was written because God Himself revealed it. Perhaps when we get to heaven and after maybe 10,000 years or so...one of us can ask. But I think when we are surrounded by His glory...it may take us 10,000 years to remember to ask.
Thank you!  I think Dan94's post is the best one of this entire thread, and am in full agreement with it..
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 8:29:33 PM
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I think Jesus wrote "I love Rami" in the dirt.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/13/2008 9:11:28 PM
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The speed stick is what does it! That stuff stinks!! HAHA!
Maybe that's what Jesus wrote in the dirt? "Don't use speed stick"
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/15/2008 7:45:46 AM
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 11/15/2008 12:14:50 PM
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I have wondered what importance it would have to the story also.
Where was Jesus during the unaccounted for years? Levi Dowling wrote a book He got through "channeling", called the aquarian gospel. It claims Christ was a great teacher, went to India, visited Buddha, and did miracles and cures.
I had the thought the other day that He (Y'shua) might have been put in prison, like Joseph. That doesn't seem so mystical, nor does it exalt any particular person to a place of special revelation.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 3:42:27 AM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 8:21:12 AM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
NIV = not informed version
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 10:51:35 AM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
NIV = not informed version
Why? Because it actually gives historical footnotes for the reader about what was going on at the time?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 1:09:00 PM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
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Your reference to the NIV for Biblical truth preceded by your conclusion of what was written in the dirt as the most likely truth, is unsurprising.
Thanks for your insight.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 1:10:19 PM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
NIV = not informed version
I thought it was the Not Inspired Version. :-/
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 2:03:47 PM
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This is a very funny thread. Jesus wrote nothing in the dirt because John 7:53-8:11 is not original to the book of John and was actually written probably around 400 AD. Ask any Biblical scholar or consult the footnotes of your NIV.
But I agree with the poster who said it was the Bat signal. That seems to be the most likely truth.
NIV = not informed version
Why? Because it actually gives historical footnotes for the reader about what was going on at the time?
I wouldn't purchase an NIV even if I had no other choice; and definitely do not get evolved in re writing the scriptures under the cover of textual criticisms or as they say in this culture… political correctness, to me personally the older the translation the less political.’
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Why? Because it actually gives historical footnotes for the reader about what was going on at the time?
“Historical footnotes” are not a means of salvation; it is more the use of wrong words and the elimination of certain words in certain scriptures; for the purpose from which I have been shown....is to destroy the prophetic references; which are the means of salvation,
This could be viewed in today’s culture; as the politically correct version. 
For example in Luke 2:33: ……who is the child’s father?
Colossians 1:14: reads, "In whom we have redemption “through his blood,” even the forgiveness of sins:"
BUT The NIV reads, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins …
Why was “through his blood,” omitted, ????
What are the historical references for those omissions?
Here is a kicker…
John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
What happened to the word ...only begotten?
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 2:17:11 PM
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I wouldn't purchase an NIV even if I had no other choice; and definitely do not get evolved in re writing the scriptures under the cover of textual criticisms or as they say in this culture… political correctness, to me personally the older the translation the less political.’
Fair enough, but the KJV is a rewriting of the scriptures, itself. The translations aren't perfect by any means.
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“Historical footnotes” are not a means of salvation; it is more the use of wrong words and the elimination of certain words in certain scriptures; for the purpose from which I have been shown....is to destroy the prophetic references; which are the means of salvation,
This could be viewed in today’s culture; as the politically correct version.
For example in Luke 2:33: ……who is the child’s father?
Colossians 1:14: reads, "In whom we have redemption “through his blood,” even the forgiveness of sins:"
BUT The NIV reads, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins …
Why was “through his blood,” omitted, ????
What are the historical references for those omissions?
Here is a kicker…
John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
What happened to the word ...only begotten?
Are these omitions, or better translations by more educated Biblical scholars with better tools and understandings of what was written?
Also, who showed you that this was to destroy prophetical references?
I agree that Historical Footnotes are NOT a means of salvation, but it helps to give the reader a better idea of what's being said and why if they know what the situations are at the time of an event/saying occuring.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 2:28:29 PM
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I think Jesus was writing the sins of the Pharisees, the adulterers main accusers. I come to this conclusion because when Jesus says, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone", no one cast a stone. I would imagine if anyone in the crowd considered themselves sin free it would be the Pharisee's. So, it's really revelant that not even the self-righteous Pharisees, who usually saw themselves as being so pious and above iniquity dared not pick up a stone. If the Pharisees, their religous leaders, wouldn't even pick up a stone, then no one else would do so.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 3:23:43 PM
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If I was the Creator of all the known universe, Giving important, detailed, specific information to my creation that they may know it, obey it, relay it to others... to keep it (and know Me). If I did have One and only Son, and the significance of which was great because that one and only Son died for the sins of all mankind, and by that One and only Son is offered eternal life... yes, I wouldn't leave that detail out.
It also stresses the fact that *this is God's *one and ONLY* son*... emphesizing His love for us. He doesn't have many Sons, He has One, and He died for us.
Edit: **ALSO** God having *only one Son* hedges some dangerous beliefs and teachings that perhaps there are more parts to the trinity. If it said, "God's Son," and never told us, "His One and only Son," we could be left to wonder... are there more than one? Thus, the trinity is less defined.
One and Only Son, is important.
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John 3:16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
What happened to the word ...only begotten?
Let's say you have only one child, a boy. The year is 2008, the country the US of A. In all seriousness, would you introduce him as your "only begotten son"?
Though I'm almost 57 and grew up on the KJV, it amazes me to still find people who think Elizabethan English, the language of the bawdy William Shakespeare, is some how more holy than any time in history.
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RE: What did Jesus write in the dirt? - 12/11/2008 3:38:54 PM
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If I was the Creator of all the known universe, Giving important, detailed, specific information to my creation that they may know it, obey it, relay it to others... to keep it (and know Me). If I did have One and only Son, and the significance of which was great because that one and only Son died for the sins of all mankind, and by that One and only Son is offered eternal life... yes, I wouldn't leave that detail out.
Do YOU really use such language in every day conversations?
The phrase "His only begotten son" means that God fathered a single male child. There's nothing mystical or deeply spiritual about the word begotten. It's overwhelming characteristic is that it is archaic and means nothing to most English speaking people unless they look it up.
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It also stresses the fact that *this is God's *one and ONLY* son*... emphesizing His love for us. He doesn't have many Sons, He has One, and He died for us.
The part I underlined is the exact phrase that prompted this sidebar. It's like arguing that the sky is blue because it's blue but it would be more descriptive to call it blue.
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