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Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 11:52:35 AM
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Lapidoth
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Obama the Hypnotist
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An Examination of Obama’s
Use of Hidden Hypnosis
Techniques in His Speeches
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THE EVIDENCE IS HERE: This document contains over 60 pages of evidence
and analysis proving Barack Obama’s use of a little-known and highly deceptive
and manipulative form of “hack” hypnosis on millions of unaware Americans,
and reveals what only a few psychologists and hypnosis/NLP experts know.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 12:08:27 PM
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Oh, I don't know. I think someone may be giving way too much credit to the Obamessiah! 
Seriously though, I believe it's more a matter of God blinding the masses and allowing them to be deceived.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 12:25:42 PM
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 I am NOT George Bush.... (8% of the time) and that should be good enough for you!!!
America First! (After I whip all that Islamo-facism in the rest of the globe!)
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 12:37:30 PM
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Lapidoth
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I am NOT George Bush.... (8% of the time) and that should be good enough for you!!!
America First! (After I whip all that Islamo-facism in the rest of the globe!)
Yeah, right!!!!
McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time.
When was Bush a member of the Senate? ROFL.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 10:27:23 PM
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FYI, the 90% number is misleading. During the past 8 years the number is more like 75%, with only the past year being 90%. Just a clarification of the actual facts. Not the DNC talking point misleading facts.
The actual numbers are 66% since Bush has taken office, and 90% in the last 22 months. I had the link up in another post ... but I am too tired to look right now. Y'all have a blessed night.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/22/2008 10:41:12 PM
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mapachito13
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ORIGINAL: Psalms274
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FYI, the 90% number is misleading. During the past 8 years the number is more like 75%, with only the past year being 90%. Just a clarification of the actual facts. Not the DNC talking point misleading facts.
The actual numbers are 66% since Bush has taken office, and 90% in the last 22 months. I had the link up in another post ... but I am too tired to look right now. Y'all have a blessed night.
See link in post #10. Does this mean McCain is distorting or lying about the facts when HE claims to back President Bush over 90% of the time?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/23/2008 9:14:47 AM
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(((rolls eyes)))) at the OP !
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/24/2008 3:49:21 PM
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Remember how Bela Lugosi as Dracula used to hypnotize his victims? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.................
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/24/2008 4:11:19 PM
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Yep, I'm old enough to remember that. lol.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/24/2008 11:04:56 PM
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In an effort to see if there is any merit at all in the premise, I decided to do some research on the topic and found some interesting information.
As a Christian, I am very, very wary of traditional hypnosis. But, I have recently come to realize that suddenly realizing that you cannot remember crossing a bridge or passing an exit probably means that you have hypnotized yourself via the monotony of the road. So, there are many, many forms of hypnosis.
But, the premise in the 60 page document is that Obama uses a particular kind of hypnotic technique that was made popular by a particular psychologist, Dr. Milton Erickson, M.D. So, the first level of research must be to see exactly what Dr. Erickson taught.
It turns out that the paper describes Erickson's work very accurately.
But, how would Obama have come across these techniques. It turns out that there are a number of web sites that sell educational packages with which one can learn Conversational Hypnosis.
Here is the first one.
Here is a second site
The first two links are sales pitches. But, the next is a discussion of the topic of conversational hypnosis that is an easier read than the full article. If you think that the claim is completely bogus, then I'd suggest that you take a look at this explanatory link.
None of this proves that Obama is actually using these techniques. But, from what I have been able to determine with just a little exploration, it certainly merits some more study and thought. The fact is that the tools are out there for an ambitious person to learn the techniques of conversational hypnosis and it seems to me that we need to be on the alert.
As Christians, we must be especially wary of those that would beguile us by fraudulant means.
For, as they say in the south, after all, Satan, our enemy is not called the DECIEVER for nothing.
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Obama the Hypnotist
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An Examination of Obama’s
Use of Hidden Hypnosis
Techniques in His Speeches
quote:
THE EVIDENCE IS HERE: This document contains over 60 pages of evidence
and analysis proving Barack Obama’s use of a little-known and highly deceptive
and manipulative form of “hack” hypnosis on millions of unaware Americans,
and reveals what only a few psychologists and hypnosis/NLP experts know.
< Message edited by TMeeks -- 10/25/2008 10:36:52 AM >
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/25/2008 1:24:11 PM
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Interesting, very interesting, Thank you!!
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
Obama the Hypnotist
quote:
An Examination of Obama’s
Use of Hidden Hypnosis
Techniques in His Speeches
quote:
THE EVIDENCE IS HERE: This document contains over 60 pages of evidence
and analysis proving Barack Obama’s use of a little-known and highly deceptive
and manipulative form of “hack” hypnosis on millions of unaware Americans,
and reveals what only a few psychologists and hypnosis/NLP experts know.
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
In an effort to see if there is any merit at all in the premise, I decided to do some research on the topic and found some interesting information.
As a Christian, I am very, very wary of traditional hypnosis. But, I have recently come to realize that suddenly realizing that you cannot remember crossing a bridge or passing an exit probably means that you have hypnotized yourself via the monotony of the road. So, there are many, many forms of hypnosis.
But, the premise in the 60 page document is that Obama uses a particular kind of hypnotic technique that was made popular by a particular psychologist, Dr. Milton Erickson, M.D. So, the first level of research must be to see exactly what Dr. Erickson taught.
It turns out that the paper describes Erickson's work very accurately.
But, how would Obama have come across these techniques. It turns out that there are a number of web sites that sell educational packages with which one can learn Conversational Hypnosis.
Here is the first one.
Here is a second site
The first two links are sales pitches. But, the next is a discussion of the topic of conversational hypnosis that is an easier read than the full article. If you think that the claim is completely bogus, then I'd suggest that you take a look at this explanatory link.
None of this proves that Obama is actually using these techniques. But, from what I have been able to determine with just a little exploration, it certainly merits some more study and thought. The fact is that the tools are out there for an ambitious person to learn the techniques of conversational hypnosis and it seems to me that we need to be on the alert.
As Christians, we must be especially wary of those that would beguile us by fraudulant means.
For, as they say in the south, after all, Satan, our enemy is not called the DECIEVER for nothing.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/25/2008 11:59:22 PM
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It's a tough piece to slog through if you followup on all the footnotes. But, it is, I believe, well researched and certainly seems to come from someone that knows the field reasonably well. It seems to be on several different web sites.
Some things are so outside of our own experiences that we tend to dismiss them out of hand. An example would be the surprisingly large market for missiles and other large weapons. I certainly don't know anyone trafficing in weapons like that. And, the vast majority of people are in that same boat. But, some years ago a man actually blew up a gas station by accident when the missile, that he'd been carrying in the back of his pickup, fired off as he was showing it to a friend!
I can't find a direct link to a story about the arms dealer. But, I did find this review of a book that mentions if briefly.
The point is that like arms dealers, we don't run across many people that even talk about conversational hypnosis, much less practice it. I'd never even heard of it before reading this document. But, in spite of our unfamiliarity of the practice. It would seem wise to me to take the time to study whether Obama does or does not use the tactics that this paper says he uses. And, if he does use these tactics, what is to be our response as Christians.
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Interesting, very interesting, Thank you!!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 1:20:09 AM
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I don't have to read the article to know with absolute certainty it is nonsense.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 8:44:15 AM
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I once did a college paper on "The Amazing Krestin", who is an entertainer and well known mass hypnotist.
Many of the speech patterns, key word presentations, and overall presentation of Obama's speeces could have been learned from Krestin's books and tapes.
I am not saying that is the case, but the similiarities are striking.
Sadly, I have seen far too many "Preachers" try the same tactics.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 12:51:43 PM
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Actually... I just finished a grad school course (two actually) with a professor who is a big proponent of Erickson (even studied under him). And Obama does use some of those techniques.
It isn't hypnosis in the traaditional sense. It isn't about mesmerizing people into a trance in which you can make them do your will.
And the techniques are very common things taught in any public speaking/communications course...
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 9:41:54 PM
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There are two well-known televangelists that I feel may be intentionally using patterns of blinking to subconsciously affect their television audience.
I am very skeptical about both ministries.
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I once did a college paper on "The Amazing Krestin", who is an entertainer and well known mass hypnotist.
Many of the speech patterns, key word presentations, and overall presentation of Obama's speeces could have been learned from Krestin's books and tapes.
I am not saying that is the case, but the similiarities are striking.
Sadly, I have seen far too many "Preachers" try the same tactics.
Thanks
RC
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