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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 9:45:41 PM
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TMeeks
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I'd be interested in hearing more.
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Actually... I just finished a grad school course (two actually) with a professor who is a big proponent of Erickson (even studied under him). And Obama does use some of those techniques.
It isn't hypnosis in the traaditional sense. It isn't about mesmerizing people into a trance in which you can make them do your will.
And the techniques are very common things taught in any public speaking/communications course...
Tara P
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 9:48:54 PM
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And, tell us WHY you dismiss it out of hand? Are you not willing to investigate further?
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(((rolls eyes)))) at the OP !
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/26/2008 9:51:49 PM
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And, tell us WHY you dismiss it out of hand? Are you not willing to investigate further?
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(((rolls eyes)))) at the OP !
TMeeks - by the way, are you related to Senator Meeks, the preacher/senator of Illinois?
I decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!! i mean really, please,, keep on letting your mind fantacize over Obama... lets see what else can we dream up?
Obama is really a half siamese twin and his other half is the brother of sarah palin.
oopos i should not have put that, coz someone will claim its true.
HAHA.. ya'll need to stop making up fantasies!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 2:05:01 AM
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Hmmm. Interesting. It does seem a bit far fetched but I've seen those hypnotist shows. Never thought about a politician utilizing these techniques but in a way, it kind of makes sense.
I too took a communications/debating class where certain techniques were taught to persuade someone into agreeing with your argument. I've recognized some of those same techniques with salesmen; the most recent being a real estate agent. (I felt so smart when I saw what she was doing. lol!) They're also routinely used by attorneys to persuade juries.
I can certainly see that a politician would benefit from these techniques as well. In all honesty, I'm sure they all use these techniques to an extent...it's just that Obama is REALLY good at it!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 9:21:49 AM
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I decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!! i mean really, please,, keep on letting your mind fantasize over Obama... lets see what else can we dream up?
Its in the Bible i 2 places
The first is commanded
De 11:16 - Show Context
Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them.
These Gods were unknown to them..
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them,"
3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul
The second is Paul introducing the real God from the many gods worshiped when Paul visited Athens
Ac 17:23 - Show Context
For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: ~to an unknown god.
Now what you worship as something unknown.... I am going to proclaim to you
24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
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decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!!
Why?
You don’t think we are in a test at the moment? 
Jer 13:10 - Show Context
These wicked people, who refuse to listen to "my words,">>> who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and go after …other gods (WORDS)>>> to serve and worship them, will be like this belt--completely useless!
LG
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 11:55:12 AM
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I find it interesting that people are so disinclined to explore something and yet feel free to make pronouncements on it. And, not only soft pronousncements like "I don't care." But, strong pronouncements like "It's so stupid!"
But, what is that basis for such a sound pronouncement if one hasn't even bothered to read the document and critique it intelligently. The only assessment that we can make is that a baseless critique is just emotionalism and not intellectualism.
And intelligent critique would be based on reading the material, checking out the footnotes, assessing the errors and reporting on the assessment. Then and only then would a final rendering of "It's so Stupid!" would have any value at all.
Without research the only thing that can rightly be fantasy is your baseless assessment.
And.. nope. Not related any of the Meeks' in sports or politics. But, if you ever visit Appomattox Courthouse, you can see my great-great-grandfather's restored store.
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
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ORIGINAL: TMeeks
And, tell us WHY you dismiss it out of hand? Are you not willing to investigate further?
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
(((rolls eyes)))) at the OP !
TMeeks - by the way, are you related to Senator Meeks, the preacher/senator of Illinois?
I decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!! i mean really, please,, keep on letting your mind fantacize over Obama... lets see what else can we dream up?
Obama is really a half siamese twin and his other half is the brother of sarah palin.
oopos i should not have put that, coz someone will claim its true.
HAHA.. ya'll need to stop making up fantasies!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:03:01 PM
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The good news is that the premise of the article can be easily proved or disproved. But, it will take some effort and a test strategy. It's an interesting enough idea that I am working that out for myself.
The first thing to do is to check out the claims that have footnotes to see if the characterizations match the meterial documented in the footnotes.
The second is to boild the techniques down to a handfull that you can effectively use for researching Obama's style and methodologies.
The third is to go though examples of his speaches and see how they fit the hypothesis. It's really a by-the-numbers kind of evaluation.
So far, the article seems more right than wrong. But, only in a general sesne, since I am early in the process of my own evaluation of the merits of the claims. The author certainly seems knowledgeble about the topic. But, one has to wonder why no authior is named. Certainly, one of the things that should be attempted is to find the original URL where it was first published. I see it in a lot of places. But, I have not seen an explanation as to its origins.
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Hmmm. Interesting. It does seem a bit far fetched but I've seen those hypnotist shows. Never thought about a politician utilizing these techniques but in a way, it kind of makes sense.
I too took a communications/debating class where certain techniques were taught to persuade someone into agreeing with your argument. I've recognized some of those same techniques with salesmen; the most recent being a real estate agent. (I felt so smart when I saw what she was doing. lol!) They're also routinely used by attorneys to persuade juries.
I can certainly see that a politician would benefit from these techniques as well. In all honesty, I'm sure they all use these techniques to an extent...it's just that Obama is REALLY good at it!
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:10:18 PM
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Without research the only thing that can rightly be fantasy is your baseless assessment.
So many times are we reminded of those immortal words:
STUPID is as STUPID does!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do these stupid tactics work?
Because, like LG shows what the Word says, the "False Prophets"
speak to the wickedness in the "hearts" of the listeners.
Politicians get away with it because they speak to the listeners
greed and ignorance. Preachers do the same thing. {the false preachers, that is}
All elections I can remember speak to the "populist" ideas, not issues.
If it were the real issues, Obama wouldn't have a prayer.
Not that he doesn't bow to mecca and pray five times a day.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:13:10 PM
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Certainly, one of the things that should be attempted is to find the original URL where it was first published. I see it in a lot of places. But, I have not seen an explanation as to its origins.
There were links to the same "type" material in the LAKELAND, Florida thread
before it was come to a head. That only destroyed a few thousand lives.
But the allegations about Obama could be enormously devastating if found out
TOO LATE! [After election]
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:16:33 PM
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While the terms decieved and hypnotized might seem poles apart, that is only because we have come to think of hypnotism in the entertainment sense and not the persuasive sense. Thus, the idea that there is a branch of pursuasion that relies on hypnotic elements become difficult for people to comprehend.
And, the ones most resistent, to be sure, would be those under the control of hypnotic suggestion. 
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
I decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!! i mean really, please,, keep on letting your mind fantasize over Obama... lets see what else can we dream up?
Its in the Bible i 2 places
The first is commanded
De 11:16 - Show Context
Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them.
These Gods were unknown to them..
Deuteronomy 13:1-5
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them,"
3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul
The second is Paul introducing the real God from the many gods worshiped when Paul visited Athens
Ac 17:23 - Show Context
For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: ~to an unknown god.
Now what you worship as something unknown.... I am going to proclaim to you
24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands.
30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.
31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."
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decided this topic deserved an eye roll because IT IS SO STOOPID!!
Why?
You don’t think we are in a test at the moment?
Jer 13:10 - Show Context
These wicked people, who refuse to listen to "my words,">>> who follow the stubbornness of their hearts and go after …other gods (WORDS)>>> to serve and worship them, will be like this belt--completely useless!
LG
< Message edited by TMeeks -- 10/27/2008 12:26:40 PM >
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:20:34 PM
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I find it interesting that people are so disinclined to explore something and yet feel free to make pronouncements on it. And, not only soft pronousncements like "I don't care." But, strong pronouncements like "It's so stupid!"
I agree totally! I wish I had the crystal ball some of these folks have that tells them "Obama definitely is (fill in the blank)" or "Obama definitely isn't (fill in the blank)".
All us mortal folk have is past behavior patterns to go on...poor us! 
And to the people who are so absolutely certain that Obama is:
1) definitely not using hypnotic techniques
2) definitely not part of the end-times scenario
3) simply another Jimmy Carter
4) will not re-arrange the Supreme Court
5) the answer to all our prayers
6) etc, etc, etc.
I will tell you what I told someone on another thread...I hope you're still around this board (if it still exists) in a couple of years to give us your thoughts then.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 12:23:16 PM
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I will tell you what I told someone on another thread...I hope you're still around this board (if it still exists) in a couple of years to give us your thoughts then.
I would agree.
Those pro-bam/bam Lakeland disappeared when it was all over.
EDIT to note:
I just noticed the ["if it still exists"].
This whole site could just as easily be outlawed.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 1:05:35 PM
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I find it interesting that people are so disinclined to explore something and yet feel free to make pronouncements on it. And, not only soft pronousncements like "I don't care." But, strong pronouncements like "It's so stupid!"
And.. nope. Not related any of the Meeks' in sports or politics. But, if you ever visit Appomattox Courthouse, you can see my great-great-grandfather's restored store.
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oh thanks TMeeks! I love looking at old historical photos.
hey sometimes thats all i can say is "its so stupid" because thats my gut feeling about something!! I could though in your situation give you a choice of ((((rolls eyes))) if you wish ;)
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 3:03:18 PM
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Either way it's all emotion and no research. I prefer research. As much as I hated the news business when I was doing it, the old bloodhound in me can't stop.
As for history, growing up in Virginia and having both family and teachers who had family going all the way back to Jamestown or the Revolutionary War, I was steeped in history from my earliest memory. At the risk of jokes about my age, I have to say that the founders are as fresh in my mind as if I had known them personally.
George Washington, George Mason, Jefferson, etc. were part of everyday study both in school and out, since I lived within a short distance of Mount Vernon,Pohick Church and Gunston Hall. My ancestors sat at his table on occasion. (Of course, another ancestor seems to have stolen from Washington... but that's another story!) I've sat in the pew where Washington sat. And, I've spend hours and hours playing at Gunston Hall, with its wonderful maze like garden.
So keeping alive, as much as possible, the vision of these great men is very, very important to me.
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I find it interesting that people are so disinclined to explore something and yet feel free to make pronouncements on it. And, not only soft pronousncements like "I don't care." But, strong pronouncements like "It's so stupid!"
And.. nope. Not related any of the Meeks' in sports or politics. But, if you ever visit Appomattox Courthouse, you can see my great-great-grandfather's restored store.
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oh thanks TMeeks! I love looking at old historical photos.
hey sometimes thats all i can say is "its so stupid" because thats my gut feeling about something!! I could though in your situation give you a choice of ((((rolls eyes))) if you wish ;)
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 5:33:28 PM
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This thread is "Stupid". I can't believe Christians would even entertain the thought that Obama is "hypnotizing" the masses to vote for him. I mean just listen to how "ridiculous" that sounds. I mean because Obama appears to be running a successful campaign, we jump to "he must be using some kind of mysticism like methods".
Obama giving a speech. "Look at me  , watch me, I am going to send you a message sublimely, Vote Obama, Vote Obama, I am in control of your mind  , You will do as I say, Vote Obama, Vote Obama"  . I hear and will Obey Master. 
Christians shouldn't even be messing with this stuff!!! Christians believing this nonsense, now that scares me.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 5:54:32 PM
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How do you think Hitler gained control over everyday average German's? Were all the Lutheran's and Catholics that fell for his lies evil people? Or, were they people who didn't heed the warnings of their fellow Christians?
How did Jim Jones convince a 1000+ people to die? Many of them seemed normal and happy people at one point in their lives. How did he come to have so much hold over them?
They mentioned the Lakeland Florida 'revival' that was patently anti-Christian. But, so many, many Christians were duped for a while. How did that happen?
Why would ANYONE send Robert Tilton money? But, they do. Why?
The problem is that the very people that are drawn into these traps, if they do exist, are the ones that would be the most defiant about the trap's existence.
In every one of these cases, who would have come out on top... those who believed that the leader was using some kind of mind control or those who ridiculed that concept?
At the moment, those of us who think that it might be possible that Obama may know some Conversational Hynoptism tricks and are looking into it, are FAR less likely to be affected by those tricks then those who ridicule them, if they do indeed exist. You, therefore, are in far greater danger than I am.
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This thread is "Stupid". I can't believe Christians would even entertain the thought that Obama is "hypnotizing" the masses to vote for him. I mean just listen to how "ridiculous" that sounds. I mean because Obama appears to be running a successful campaign, we jump to "he must be using some kind of mysticism like methods".
Obama giving a speech. "Look at me , watch me, I am going to send you a message sublimely, Vote Obama, Vote Obama, I am in control of your mind , You will do as I say, Vote Obama, Vote Obama" . I hear and will Obey Master.
Christians shouldn't even be messing with this stuff!!! Christians believing this nonsense, now that scares me.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 6:12:57 PM
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How do you think Hitler gained control over everyday average German's? Were all the Lutheran's and Catholics that fell for his lies evil people? Or, were they people who didn't heed the warnings of their fellow Christians?
How did Jim Jones convince a 1000+ people to die? Many of them seemed normal and happy people at one point in their lives. How did he come to have so much hold over them?
They mentioned the Lakeland Florida 'revival' that was patently anti-Christian. But, so many, many Christians were duped for a while. How did that happen?
Why would ANYONE send Robert Tilton money? But, they do. Why?
The problem is that the very people that are drawn into these traps, if they do exist, are the ones that would be the most defiant about the trap's existence.
In every one of these cases, who would have come out on top... those who believed that the leader was using some kind of mind control or those who ridiculed that concept?
At the moment, those of us who think that it might be possible that Obama may know some Conversational Hynoptism tricks and are looking into it, are FAR less likely to be affected by those tricks then those who ridicule them, if they do indeed exist. You, therefore, are in far greater danger than I am.
Those people weren't hypnotized. Hitler and Jones just appealed to the people's weaknesses. There where many people who went along with them more out fear of losing their lives if they disagreed. You are raising Obama to a level he is not. Your fear is what is driving you to come up with these preposterous claims. I think it is you who is in danger, not I. You are giving in to your hysteria and trying to take other people with you. You are promoting "mass hysteria". This election is in God's hands. Whoever is elected will be God's choice, to believe otherwise is to doubt God.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 6:44:44 PM
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Whoever is elected will be God's choice, to believe otherwise is to doubt God.
And where do we see this written?
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 6:45:03 PM
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Those people weren't hypnotized. Hitler and Jones just appealed to the people's weaknesses. There where many people who went along with them more out fear of losing their lives if they disagreed.
It's manipulation either way.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 7:14:14 PM
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Whoever is elected will be God's choice, to believe otherwise is to doubt God.
And where do we see this written?
"1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves."
The Holy Bible : New International Version. electronic ed. Grand Rapids : Zondervan, 1996, c1984, S. Ro 13:1-2
God has always chosen our leaders.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 7:15:34 PM
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Those people weren't hypnotized. Hitler and Jones just appealed to the people's weaknesses. There where many people who went along with them more out fear of losing their lives if they disagreed.
It's manipulation either way.
Then McCain is manipulating those who are for him as well, since he has masses of people following him too.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 7:22:37 PM
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I don't think most of McCain's supporters are blindly following him. Since he managed to win the primaries most of us are voting for him based on the fact that he's more competent to be the POTUS instead of 0bama. He does have experience and a long history for the public to examine unlike 0bama. We all know he has warts and is far from ideal.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 7:40:12 PM
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Whoever is elected will be God's choice, to believe otherwise is to doubt God.
And where do we see this written?
Romans 13:1
John 19:11 (Jesus's response to Pilate, a government official)
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Oops...I see campbe33 has already covered this!
You have a point, though, that we need to recognize. In all honesty, it appears both major parties are headed in the same direction...it's just that the Dems want to get there quicker!
It's my opinion that, whomever God puts into leadership next year, we'll end up at the same destination.
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RE: Obama the Hypnotist - 10/27/2008 9:17:26 PM
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TMeeks
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Have I made a single claim? Even ONE about Obama?
If so, SHOW it to all of us.
All I said, was that I was RESEARCHING to see if the paper had any validity. The only ones making claims that they cannot substantiate are those claiming definitively that nether Jim Jones nor Hitler used any form of Hypnosis... when, in fact, we don't know why people followed them as passionately as they did.
When you say that whoever is elected is "God's Choice" do you mean His APPROVED ONE or simply the choice that marches us off into the end times?
I can tell you this. Obama is NOT the chosen leader for good from God. God would NOT chose a man with as many moral deficiencies and outright anti-God policy positions as his APPROVED choice. He might however, choose him to allow evil to flourish as it is predicted in the end times... or, let Obama win as just His way of teaching us and future generations that when one puts their trust in a man and not the Almighty God, they are led down the path to sorrow and destruction.
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How do you think Hitler gained control over everyday average German's? Were all the Lutheran's and Catholics that fell for his lies evil people? Or, were they people who didn't heed the warnings of their fellow Christians?
How did Jim Jones convince a 1000+ people to die? Many of them seemed normal and happy people at one point in their lives. How did he come to have so much hold over them?
They mentioned the Lakeland Florida 'revival' that was patently anti-Christian. But, so many, many Christians were duped for a while. How did that happen?
Why would ANYONE send Robert Tilton money? But, they do. Why?
The problem is that the very people that are drawn into these traps, if they do exist, are the ones that would be the most defiant about the trap's existence.
In every one of these cases, who would have come out on top... those who believed that the leader was using some kind of mind control or those who ridiculed that concept?
At the moment, those of us who think that it might be possible that Obama may know some Conversational Hynoptism tricks and are looking into it, are FAR less likely to be affected by those tricks then those who ridicule them, if they do indeed exist. You, therefore, are in far greater danger than I am.
Those people weren't hypnotized. Hitler and Jones just appealed to the people's weaknesses. There where many people who went along with them more out fear of losing their lives if they disagreed. You are raising Obama to a level he is not. Your fear is what is driving you to come up with these preposterous claims. I think it is you who is in danger, not I. You are giving in to your hysteria and trying to take other people with you. You are promoting "mass hysteria". This election is in God's hands. Whoever is elected will be God's choice, to believe otherwise is to doubt God.
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Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
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