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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 1:14:40 PM
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Rockwall
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If Democrats were pro-life there would be a lot more black representatives in Congress. Blacks would have more power and influence in Washington and more power and influence in the states.
Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims. In the spirit of planned parenthood founder Margaret Sanger, abortion is used to suppress black influence in America.
Sanger had her Negro Project, which was designed to supress the growth of the black population. The spirit of her racism lives today in the heart of liberal's most cherished activity, killing the unborn.
While liberals wring their bloody hands about imaginary plots to supress black voter participation, they kill hundreds of future black voters every day.
If Democrats were pro-life, you'd be stading in line with a lot more black people on election day.
I posted a very similar thread about two weeks ago with links to the CDC and other places to back up the post: LINK
This is literally a life or death message that should be spread so that more people are aware of it.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 1:48:05 PM
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Democrats are NOT pro-life, they are enemies of the unborn.
You know that is not true, there are Democrats who are pro-life just like there are conservatives who are pro-choice. You saying that all Democrats are not pro-life is not fact, it's what you have conceived in your mind to believe... just like all conservatives don't have abortions... yeah right. I'm not even going to argue with you because your argument is really lacking. Like I've said before if you're really concerned about this or want more information then be apart of the solution. Stop questioning and wondering over African-Americans, Native Americans, Latinas, whomever motives and discussing it and do something about it and make a difference. Go to a predominately African-American, Hispanic, whatever, or start with the church in your neighborhood and talk with members there about a program that can be set up, go into the neighborhoods, do something about. I am... 
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Black women get abortions in hugely disproportionate numbers
You can't go by percentages, sorry. Like Steph wrote, though someone may look "black" or whatever, they may not identify themselves as solely that and thus, may not put that other on their sheet. Also, there are many women who go to private doctor offices that perform abortions who don't have to report that data (same with goes with STD's), so you can't really say that it's in hugely disproportionate numbers.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 2:07:47 PM
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I have said before, the best way to defeat abortion is not to get pregnant.
I think you're misreading the issue in a major way. The issue is that a large segment of the population feels that abortion is the equivalent to murder, and another large segment feels otherwise. As such, your suggestion is a lot like saying the best way to defeat murder is to not kill anyone. That's a sorry way to address the concerns of the anti-murder crowd.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 2:41:16 PM
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When you find the parallel universe that has the planet earth where man isn't born inherently sinful your simple plan might work.
so you think because man is depraved, sin and such will keep happening and that my plan is not gonna happen because of the depavity man is in?
That and that following....
So long as abortion is readily available and seen as a viable option for after the fact birth control good luck teaching folks about doing the right thing...
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 2:57:12 PM
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While liberals wring their bloody hands about imaginary plots to supress black voter participation, they kill hundreds of future black voters every day.
If Democrats were pro-life, you'd be standing in line with a lot more black people on election day.
OI have as much faith in the black folk of America, whom are NOT as stupid as the Obama campaign is playing them.
My wife and I were speaking to a couple of African American women and they themselves know Obama is bunch of hogwash.
As a matter of fact I was watching yesterday and Pastor Rod Parsley of Breakthrough ministries had a first person testimony of a real slave from the Sudan,
unfortunately Obama speaking and raising up the racist view of the early fathers of this country and about his slave blood … being that he was not even born here he should have listened to the testimony of a real slave.
Here is how it works in his precious agenda concerning his obsession with abortion and the share the wealth motifs
The purpose is to wipe out a generation of would have been “good Americans”
…. And replace them with importees …personal from over seas… in the name of fairness...
the situation has to be created first ...for the messiah to be the messiah..
Get it?
That all it is!
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 5:10:06 PM
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if thats the case in the black community, then peopel cannot complain how they are victims if this is perpetrated in their very own community. I know someone wont like that i said that, because playing the victim can be satisfying and enabling and it takes the blame off the community and finds another to put the blame on, meanwhile nothing gets done to stop the trend.
I don't know if you're directing that towards me or what, but nowhere did I say to take blame off the community. There are further bigger issues than abortion within the African-American community that haven't been taken care off, but it takes more than the community. It takes a community (not just the African-American community but volunteers who are willing to help), the government, and the church. Besides abortion is so far from being an African-American problem, women who chose to abort come in all colors. If you're really concerned about this or want more information, go to a site where there are more African-Americans and you'll hear the same as what I wrote. If you want to be apart of the solution, then stop questioning and wondering over their motives and discussing it and do something about it. Go to a predominately African-American church and talk with memeber there about a program that can be set up, go into the neighborhoods, do something, I am...
Hi - Im saying it to anyone who feels they are a victim and that the government is causing a holocaust to black women since black women are getting so many abortions.
The answer is - stop getting pregnant, that will stop the need for abortions, and only have children that are wanted - ideally in a marriage - and stop being a victim and instead take charge of your own life - and then the govenrment will not be able to force you to have an abortion and hterefore your not part of the holocaust.. Take control of your own life and prevent problems from happening and voila... see how easy not to become a victim of the government or whatever you feel your a victim of.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 5:55:54 PM
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Democrats are NOT pro-life, they are enemies of the unborn.
You know that is not true, there are Democrats who are pro-life just like there are conservatives who are pro-choice. You saying that all Democrats are not pro-life is not fact, it's what you have conceived in your mind to believe... just like all conservatives don't have abortions... yeah right. I'm not even going to argue with you because your argument is really lacking. Like I've said before if you're really concerned about this or want more information then be apart of the solution. Stop questioning and wondering over African-Americans, Native Americans, Latinas, whomever motives and discussing it and do something about it and make a difference. Go to a predominately African-American, Hispanic, whatever, or start with the church in your neighborhood and talk with members there about a program that can be set up, go into the neighborhoods, do something about. I am...
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Black women get abortions in hugely disproportionate numbers
You can't go by percentages, sorry. Like Steph wrote, though someone may look "black" or whatever, they may not identify themselves as solely that and thus, may not put that other on their sheet. Also, there are many women who go to private doctor offices that perform abortions who don't have to report that data (same with goes with STD's), so you can't really say that it's in hugely disproportionate numbers.
The Democrats who are pro-life are nobodies. They have no power or influence. Obama, Pelosi, Reed, Biden, both Clintons, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, Edwards, Jackson, Sharpton, Boxer, Dodd, Kucinich, Waters, etc., every one is pro-abortion. The people blacks vote for in overwhelming numbers are their exterminators.
I can point you to the federal government. I can point you to the Guttmacher (planned parenthood) Institute. The stats I posted last were taken directly from Planned Parenthood. I'm quite certain that the mothers self-identified their race. There is no more reliable source. If you've got one let's see it.
Blacks have suffered tremendous loss because of the slaughter inflicted upon their race by abortion. If the KKK had planned it, they couldn't have done it any better.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 6:00:20 PM
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Women in general need to take control of our own bodies and start making smarter choices. I'm blessed to have the husband I have, but when we met I was not so desperate to get a man that I was willing to jump in bed with him. As a single mom, I had to know he could be trusted, that he was upright, and that he would respect me and my choices as to how the relationship would progress.
No man is worth my dignity, my children's safety and well-being, or my financial security. I don't need a man to pay my bills or buy groceries or get me things. When I was single I did not see myself as incomplete; frankly I was too busy with kids, managingmy home, going to school, and working I really didn't think about more than what I was doing at the time. I raised my daughters to respect themselves, be respectful of others, and demand to be treated with proper respect by others. I raised my sons the same.
Peer and social pressure is tremendous and many of us have made mistakes (ie- sinned). The influences out there are pervasive and devious. Trying to keep up with all of it is nearly impossible, and the best we can do as parents are to make sure our kids understand the illusions and dangers out there, understand the consequences of making the wrong choices, and rehearse them in how to deal with temptations. Parables and fables have been used since the earliest days of man to explain behaviors and consequences in a safe format. Jesus used them, and Aesop's have long been considered classical literature. Any tool we have we need to use.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 6:23:26 PM
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Women in general need to take control of our own bodies and start making smarter choices.
Jesus used them, and Aesop's have long been considered classical literature. Any tool we have we need to use.
Good post!!
We have a tool right now.. and that is the vote
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 10:03:58 PM
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I think life can be led correctly by following Jesus Christ.
No government program needed.
95% of ALL abortions are for the convienence of the "mother". That...is fact. We are murdering our children because we don't want to deal with the true consequences of sex.
Its not brain surgery. Keep your pants zipped up and you will never have to worry about an abortion. Never.
Sex is a choice. Its not some overwhelming uncontrollable compulsion.
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When you tell someone their sins are not their fault you enable them to stay in them. IF black people are having more abortions...don't blame anyone but black people.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 10:09:09 PM
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Blacks make up about 16% of the American population, but black babies account for about 35% of abortion victims.
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I read an article about a couple of months ago and your percentage of 35% of abortion victims being black may not be quite accurate. I won't deny that abortion rates are higher in the black community but its high in all of the races. But back to the point i was trying to make.
There are many women of different races being inpregnated by black men. Some people choose not to label their child as biracial and usually they will just say this child is black. So when studies are done, they may not be taking in account these biracial children. They may categorizing all of these children as black. Yes, they are half black, but they are also half whatever the mother's race was as well. Women of all colors are having abortions.
When the topic comes up about Obama being biracial people are pretty adamant he's black... When the subject changed the mother or father not being black makes a difference... Why is that?
As I said I'm biracial! When I look in the mirror I don't see a white person. I see a black person and generally I label myself as black. Technically, I guess I should say I'm biracial/mixed, but I'm not seen as a white person. I think that is why most people just say Obama is black. When people look at him, they don't see a white man, they see a black man. This is just my opinion.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 10:23:32 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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As I said I'm biracial! When I look in the mirror I don't see a white person. I see a black person and generally I label myself as black. Technically, I guess I should say I'm biracial/mixed, but I'm not seen as a white person. I think that is why most people just say Obama is black. When people look at him, they don't see a white man, they see a black man. This is just my opinion.
So when a black woman get's an abortion it's a black woman having an abortion so the number are legitimate.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 10:32:10 PM
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As I said I'm biracial! When I look in the mirror I don't see a white person. I see a black person and generally I label myself as black. Technically, I guess I should say I'm biracial/mixed, but I'm not seen as a white person. I think that is why most people just say Obama is black. When people look at him, they don't see a white man, they see a black man. This is just my opinion.
So when a black woman get's an abortion it's a black woman having an abortion so the number are legitimate.
What point are you trying to make?
I simply think the numbers are not that accurate. I think that it would be hard to get such accurate numbers when so many people (myself inlcuded) don't properly identify their race.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 10:49:29 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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What point are you trying to make?
That people are being selective... There was debate regarding the race of Obama and it clear that when it was said he was anything other than black people took exception to that...
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I simply think the numbers are not that accurate. I think that it would be hard to get such accurate numbers when so many people (myself inlcuded) don't properly identify their race.
One is either black all the time or not... It seems disingenuous to say black woman who have abortions who are said to be biracial are not really black simply to adjust the numbers... If they are not really black neither is Obama...
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/23/2008 11:01:34 PM
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What point are you trying to make?
That people are being selective... There was debate regarding the race of Obama and it clear that when it was said he was anything other than black people took exception to that...
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I simply think the numbers are not that accurate. I think that it would be hard to get such accurate numbers when so many people (myself inlcuded) don't properly identify their race.
One is either black all the time or not... It seems disingenuous to say black woman who have abortions who are said to be biracial are not really black simply to adjust the numbers... If they are not really black neither is Obama...
Take time to read my posts carefully. I have said this over and over again. I consider myself to be black even though I'm biracial. Therefore, if there are mixed women having abortions, they may just say their race is black instead of marking other. Sometimes there is not even an option to mark biracial on forms. I'm not saying people are not really black, I'm saying that SOME people (like myself) of mixed races just consider themself black because thats what my skin color reflects. When people see me, they see a black women, not a mixed or white women.
I don't care what Obama calls himself. He can be purple for all I care. Just because SOME people on a forum got upset when people said Obama was not black does not mean that ALL black people feel that way. The one thing I notice around here is that some people are so quick to lump a group of people into one category. This goes both way. It seems like McCain supporters think that Obama supporters are stupid and Obama supporters only seem to think all McCain supporters are racist. These stereotypes have to stop people. In the end we are all Christians!
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 12:01:37 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Take time to read my posts carefully.
I have.... And from what I gather if being black has negative implications there is an escape clause to say one is biracial.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 12:37:08 AM
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Take time to read my posts carefully.
I have.... And from what I gather if being black has negative implications there is an escape clause to say one is biracial.
Nobody said anything about an escape clause. I never said being biracial was an escape clause. I said some biracial people tend to only count the race that is dominant. But, I'll let you think what you want to think. Anyways, I think we got way off topic. If you want to discuss this more you can e-mail or we can move this to a new forum.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 9:03:23 AM
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Blacks have suffered tremendous loss because of the slaughter inflicted upon their race by abortion. If the KKK had planned it, they couldn't have done it any better.
YOur still claiming slaughter! you must not be listening to me.
The woman who willingly opens her legs just so she could "have a man" is the lamb willingly going to the slaughter.
All she has to do is keep her legs together.
I still think your livng in VICTIM MENTALITY. when you do that, you have made YOURSELF a victim. dont blame the government.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 5:27:08 PM
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Blacks have suffered tremendous loss because of the slaughter inflicted upon their race by abortion. If the KKK had planned it, they couldn't have done it any better.
YOur still claiming slaughter! you must not be listening to me.
The woman who willingly opens her legs just so she could "have a man" is the lamb willingly going to the slaughter.
All she has to do is keep her legs together.
I still think your livng in VICTIM MENTALITY. when you do that, you have made YOURSELF a victim. dont blame the government.
The kids are slaughtered.
I've never said the women are victims. But sometimes they're pressured into things they don't want to do.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 5:30:59 PM
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I think life can be led correctly by following Jesus Christ.
No government program needed.
95% of ALL abortions are for the convienence of the "mother". That...is fact. We are murdering our children because we don't want to deal with the true consequences of sex.
Its not brain surgery. Keep your pants zipped up and you will never have to worry about an abortion. Never.
Sex is a choice. Its not some overwhelming uncontrollable compulsion.
Stop
Making
Excuses
When you tell someone their sins are not their fault you enable them to stay in them. IF black people are having more abortions...don't blame anyone but black people.
YES YES YES AMEN HALLELUJAH YOU ARE RIGHT ON!!!!! AMEN AMEN AMEN SO TRUE..
(((but its easier to claim "victim" status))))
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/24/2008 5:34:52 PM
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Blacks have suffered tremendous loss because of the slaughter inflicted upon their race by abortion. If the KKK had planned it, they couldn't have done it any better.
YOur still claiming slaughter! you must not be listening to me.
The woman who willingly opens her legs just so she could "have a man" is the lamb willingly going to the slaughter.
All she has to do is keep her legs together.
I still think your livng in VICTIM MENTALITY. when you do that, you have made YOURSELF a victim. dont blame the government.
The kids are slaughtered.
I've never said the women are victims. But sometimes they're pressured into things they don't want to do.
EXCUSES EXCUSES. EXCUSES EXCUSES. there is a way to prevent that too what you are suggesting. Edumacation for one, salvation for another, as well thats the best way to overcome sin. And stop making excuses and putting a victim mentality on the girls. and hey where are the sperm donors of these women??? I dont call them fathers... if they get a girl pregnant and leave them, they dont deserve the name of father... they're just sperm donors. thank you MTV and BET videos.
but really, even so, a woman can take control of her own life. she doesn't have to give in to the hype..
I mean really, there was a movie I think was named How Stella Got Her Groove Back. it was a good movie, except the line was "Girl you got to get yourself a man". and this Stella was feeling bad like she was over the hill at age 30 and the cure for her depression was to find a young hunky handsome hunk of a guy to give her sex. Some example, eh? The cure for your feeling bad is to get a man and have sex with him to make you feel worthwhile.
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RE: Abortion and the power of black Americans - 10/25/2008 1:24:23 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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EXCUSES EXCUSES. EXCUSES EXCUSES. there is a way to prevent that too what you are suggesting. Edumacation for one, salvation for another, as well thats the best way to overcome sin. And stop making excuses and putting a victim mentality on the girls. and hey where are the sperm donors of these women??? I dont call them fathers... if they get a girl pregnant and leave them, they dont deserve the name of father... they're just sperm donors. thank you MTV and BET videos.
In the subject of abortion I don't consider the father since the woman alone can choose to abort the child... The law says the father only responsible if the woman so chooses to keep the child... As much as MTV and BET, the law and society down plays the role of the father...
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