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Is the ecomony really more important than our Christian... - 10/23/2008 12:41:48 AM
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JJB1222
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If Christ were to cast a ballot, how would he vote?
Huntley Brown, a concert pianist and man of God, says it best...
Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Dear Friends,
A few months ago I was asked for my perspective on Obama. I sent out an e-mail with a few points. With the election just around the corner, I decided to complete my perspective. Those of you on my e-list have seen some of this before, but it's worth repeating...
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 12:52:29 AM
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no, Christ before money, you cannot serve both.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 1:05:02 AM
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IMHO, since McCain (who, btw, voted in support of the appointments of Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) is co-leader of the Gang of 14, and the Senate is controlled by Democrats, and will likely gain more seats, abortion is a non-issue in this election anyway. So, IMHO, then because of the aforementioned (which I'm sure people will include if they want to answer me), yes, this time, the economy trumps the abortion issue, since it is a non-issue.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 1:37:01 AM
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Wow, phenomenal article that exudes both wisdom and grace.
Too bad none of that wisdom will get through to any of our friendly neighborhood liberals. This letter is an extremely eloquent compilation of the same stuff many of us around here have been expounding on for months and months, to almost 100% resistance. Maybe because it is from a black man or because it is written eloquently it will make some sort of impact. *shrug*
Thanks for the letter, I was highly edified by it.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 2:42:31 AM
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I agree, very eloquent letter. Unfortunately, it won't be read by those who need to read it. The ones who do will dismiss it. And the "mainstream media" is likely to dig into the author's background as a means of discrediting him.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 6:43:44 AM
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Considering how an Obama presidency would/will be a disaster for this country morally/spiritually and economically, does it really matter?
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 8:05:00 AM
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abortion is a non-issue in this election anyway
Abortion may be a "non issue" for you in this election that however does not mean you are correct. If Obama wins he is going to strip states rights away. Meaning in our state parents will no longer be required to give concent for their 16 yr old daughter to have an abortion. Manditory counseling and the following 24 hour waiting period will be done away with. The medical requirement that our state has in place will be swept away.
Also taking into account that with an Obama administration public tax dollars will be used to promote and preform abortion is it going to be an issue all tax payers should be concerned about.
You cannot serve both God and Money.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 8:05:53 AM
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abortion is a non-issue
When murdering children is not an issue, our nation should be destroyed.
Why are christian values seperate from financial ability or success? Money ain't evil, ya know? Its what you do with it or how it controls you that CAN be evil.
I wonder...all these blacks voting for Obama becaus ehe is black...where were they when Alan Keyes ran? Keyes was said not to have any experience because he never won an election....but I would take what Alan wanted over Obama any day.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 8:27:38 AM
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If Obama wins he is going to strip states rights away. Meaning in our state parents will no longer be required to give concent for their 16 yr old daughter to have an abortion. Manditory counseling and the following 24 hour waiting period will be done away with. The medical requirement that our state has in place will be swept away.
On what do you base this belief?
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 8:51:11 AM
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Do you honestly not know what he promised to be his FIRST thing to do if he wins to be?
"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama speaking before Planned Parenthood
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:03:53 AM
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That letter was a good one. The part about meeting Jesus and giving Him a report of when the person voted for Obama and telling Jesus about it was good and thought provoking.
the polls are favoring Obama.. however, they are not the actual vote. anything can happen.
If the polls are right and the vote goes the same, Obama will be president. Now what are we going to do then? the things people are fearful will probably happen.
so we need to think about what we are going to do about these issues when he gets elected if he gets elected.
if people are so passionate about these issues, if he gets elected, what are you going to do about the laws he might be able to change? if you are passionate about these issues, you should not stop on Nov 5th. It should make you get out and put feet to your passions and fight to stop the laws he wants to pass.
the big issue seems to be the economy over morals. much of the nation does not follow Christ, and of course they are going to be worried about - not riches - but just getting by each day. People are worried about going to another Great Depression, this worries them. They are not going to go by faith and trust Christ for that if they dont trust him now.. although, maybe starving and losing their job WILL turn them to Christ, as people sometimes do in a crisis.
so who knows, maybe it will turn around for good. People will come to Christ because the new presidency is bringing too much trouble and trials.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:12:58 AM
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abortion is a non-issue in this election anyway
Abortion may be a "non issue" for you in this election that however does not mean you are correct. If Obama wins he is going to strip states rights away. Meaning in our state parents will no longer be required to give concent for their 16 yr old daughter to have an abortion. Manditory counseling and the following 24 hour waiting period will be done away with. The medical requirement that our state has in place will be swept away.
You really don't have much basis to make such a claim like that, what it's true because of hearsay? We all know how easy some of the Christians here take hearsay and turn it into truth, just look at all the the rumored threads about "supposed" policies of Obama such as taking away Christian media... 
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:13:35 AM
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People are worried about going to another Great Depression, this worries them.
It appears to me that the schools no longer teach Economics 101. Otherwise people who fear having another great depression would NOT vote for Obama.
People are choosing to be ignorant about the economy. THEY are the ones who are going to suffer the MOST under an Obama administration. All that I can say is that it's their own fault for desiring to be ignorant and greedy.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:16:02 AM
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You really don't have much basis to make such a claim like that, what it's true because of hearsay? We all know how easy some of the Christians here take hearsay and turn it into truth, just look at all the the rumored threads about "supposed" policies of Obama such as taking away Christian media...
Have you ever read the Freedom of Choice Act?
Obama is very open and honest about his views. He "is" going to sign it "if" you trust his words.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:23:33 AM
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You really don't have much basis to make such a claim like that, what it's true because of hearsay? We all know how easy some of the Christians here take hearsay and turn it into truth, just look at all the the rumored threads about "supposed" policies of Obama such as taking away Christian media...
Have you ever read the Freedom of Choice Act?
Obama is very open and honest about his views. He "is" going to sign it "if" you trust his words.
Here's the summary of the FOCA:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-1173&tab=summary
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:31:16 AM
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People are worried about going to another Great Depression, this worries them.
It appears to me that the schools no longer teach Economics 101. Otherwise people who fear having another great depression would NOT vote for Obama.
People are choosing to be ignorant about the economy. THEY are the ones who are going to suffer the MOST under an Obama administration. All that I can say is that it's their own fault for desiring to be ignorant and greedy.
Thats funny that you would say that - people are voting for Obama because they feel he would be better for the economy, since mccain would carry on president bush's republican type of presidency, and people think bush got us into this economic mess - whether that is a truth or perceived notion.
I even think that. I dont know if you would be interested to let me know why obama would be bad for the economy.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 9:55:04 AM
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Many people don't remember or know about Carter's stagflation and malaise economy. We are nowhere near that. His policies and liberal congress are closer to Carter than Clinton. Some people will be rudely awakened.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 10:08:58 AM
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A follow up on Snopes...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/huntleybrown.asp
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 10:30:16 AM
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If Christ were to cast a ballot, how would he vote?
Huntley Brown, a concert pianist and man of God, says it best...
Why I Can't Vote For Obama
By Huntley Brown
Thanks for sharing this, and this is worth sharing with friends and family. I will support Huntley Brown by purchasing a CD or something.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 10:43:12 AM
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IMHO, since McCain (who, btw, voted in support of the appointments of Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer) is co-leader of the Gang of 14, and the Senate is controlled by Democrats, and will likely gain more seats, abortion is a non-issue in this election anyway. So, IMHO, then because of the aforementioned (which I'm sure people will include if they want to answer me), yes, this time, the economy trumps the abortion issue, since it is a non-issue.
Peace and God bless,
Is it a non-issue to you Lizahana because we will have Democrat controlled Legislative, Executive, and Judicial branches of government that will not let Roe v. Wade be overturned?
Not sure if you read this post (it's too long to repeat) but South Dakota has a bill on the books that will directly challenge Roe v. Wade: Abortion law LINK
John McCain will appoint justices like Alito and Roberts, and Alito has already stated that Roe v. Wade should be revisited. Barack said that he opposed them.
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 10:58:17 AM
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Do you honestly not know what he promised to be his FIRST thing to do if he wins to be?
"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act," Obama speaking before Planned Parenthood
But, honestly, he'd have said something entirely different speaking in front of a different crowd. So who knows. What a candidate (especially that one) says doesn't tell me much. Looking at his record, though, I'm sure it's on the short list.
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People are worried about going to another Great Depression, this worries them.
It appears to me that the schools no longer teach Economics 101. Otherwise people who fear having another great depression would NOT vote for Obama.
People are choosing to be ignorant about the economy. THEY are the ones who are going to suffer the MOST under an Obama administration. All that I can say is that it's their own fault for desiring to be ignorant and greedy.
Well, I think we're all going to suffer. And they may not have taken Econ 101 but they also must've skipped World History 101.
Why will Obama be bad for this economy? Same reason Karl Marx was bad, Stalin was bad . . . Jimmy Carter....redistribution of wealth is disaterous. Food for thought....
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Wall Street Journal: Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of "making work pay," but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you're a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery -- among many -- of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama's 95% illusion to go unanswered.
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Investors Business Daily: Obama's idea of letting people deplete 15% of their 401(k) investment holdings is indicative of the candidate we have come to know, who wants ordinary people to look to the government for money — and not, as has been the trend in recent years, to their investment portfolios. Encourage novice investors to get out and stay out of the stock market right after a historic decline? Only a socialist mind-set would exploit the financial crisis in such a way.
The destructive effects of forced redistribution of wealth are but one application of a universal law. Confiscate more from the "rich" to give to the "poor," and in a matter of years everyone will be very poor indeed, as incentives to produce are destroyed and disincentives to sloth are reduced or eliminated.
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Wealth is not a static "pie" (hello, Obama) to be divided up evenly among the hordes. Wealth is the result of millions and billions of individual transactions by which both the willing buyer and willing seller of goods and services end up better off, again and again, day after day.
Obama has the illusion that he can manipulate the action just enough to even things up. He doesn't understand that you cannot take from the rich without also taking from the poor. He's beset by a poverty mentality.
And Andrew Biggs has written a great deal on why Obama's plans would destroy Social Security:
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"It's interesting that Mr. Obama calls his plan 'Making Work Pay,'" says Mr. Biggs, "because the incentives are just the opposite. By expanding benefits for people whose benefits exceed their taxes, you're increasing their disincentive for work. And you're doing the same at the top of the income scale, where you are raising their taxes so you can distribute the revenue to others."
Even more interesting is what Mr. Obama's "tax cuts" do to Social Security financing. As Mr. Biggs notes, had Mr. Obama proposed to pay for payroll tax relief out of, well, payroll taxes, his plan would never have a chance in Congress. Most members would look at a plan that defunded a trust fund that seniors are counting on for their retirement as political suicide.
And that leads us to the heart of this problem. If the government is going to give tax cuts to 44% of American based on their Social Security taxes -- without actually refunding to them the money they are paying into Social Security -- Mr. Obama will have to get the funds elsewhere. And this is where "general revenues" turns out to be a more agreeable way of saying "Other People's Money."
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 11:54:16 AM
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Jesus did not come for any particular race. He came for the whole world.
I loved this part of Huntley Brown's letter! IMO, if you are voting purely upon the canidates race, ethnicity, gender etc. then you're probably better off not voting at all.
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Voting and Christian Values - 10/23/2008 12:16:04 PM
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IF we had a Christian on the ballot, I would vote for him/her.
IF we lived in a theocracy where God would reign, we would have a different choice of candidates.
IF Jesus taught us to look to the government to change the hearts of men regarding issues like abortion and gay rights, we would have a different choice of candidates.
If I believed that whomever was elected would put "pleasing God" above political partisianship and ambition, I would vote for this fanthom candidate.
Since NONE of the above is correct, I will base my vote on whomever I believe will unite the division caused by the last 8 years and have all of us think of ourselves as "Americans", like we did after 9/11, instead of as repulican or democrat or as conservatives and liberals.
I will vote for the person for whom "Country First" is more than just a political slogan, and whose policies will benefit ALL Americans and not just those who got him elected.
I will base my vote on the person I believe will restore America's reputation as a compassionate world leader who values human rights while still protecting the soverignty of our nation.
I will base my vote on the tone, message and consistency of the presidential campaign over the last 18 months.
I will vote for the individual who acknowledges the tough economic situation that we are in and is truthful about the sacrifices all will have to make in our attempt to undo the consequences of untethered greed.
I will vote for the individual who understands that not talking to leaders of nations until they do what we want, has not worked for us in the past, and understands that agreeing to meet with leaders of rouge nations to let them know the consequences of their continued behavior, is NOT the same inviting them over for tea and sports talk.
I will vote for the individual who understands that a President cannot "parent" a country and that social mores and behavior need to be taught and modeled in the home and not legislated by the government.
More importantly, I will PRAY that God will guide and lead whomever gets elected and that God will use the CHURCH to fulfill HIS mission to make disciples of Jesus Christ (and NOT of a political party).
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 12:30:12 PM
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[quoteI will base my vote on the person I believe will restore America's reputation as a compassionate world leader who values human rights while still protecting the soverignty of our nation. ]
That knows Obama out of the running.
[quoteI will vote for the individual who understands that a President cannot "parent" a country and that social mores and behavior need to be taught and modeled in the home and not legislated by the government. ]
That knocks them ALL out because none of them would agree with you. Otherwise we would not "no laws" in this country.
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IF we had a Christian on the ballot, I would vote for him/her.
Yea! My girl Sarah is going to get your vote.
[quoteI will base my vote on the tone, message and consistency of the presidential campaign over the last 18 months. ]
I could no more disown Rev Wright than I could the black community.
I have seperated myself from Rev Wright. I had no idea that for 20 years he has been preaching BLT from the pulpit and being my friend all these years I had no idea how he felt about white folks.
The last part about praying. Sarah and many of us have been doing that for a long time.
Sarah, "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."
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RE: Is the ecomony really more important than our Chris... - 10/23/2008 12:50:44 PM
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My "christian values" always trump the economy.
Those are the values that up the economy.
All the other world values is the reason we're in this mess.
And, yeah, the only one that fits E70's list is Sarah Palin.
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