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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 8:55:52 PM
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Dubya
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And Obama said to "get in their face". Your point being?
And as previously noted, the Secret Service said that nobody said that.
True, it was a metaphor, but it was a porr choice at that, however I still stand by what I said. There are videos of the hateful things that were said and done at the rallies that are available on the web for you to see for yourself at those. I can pm those to you if you like but back to the thread.
There have been other crimes done to Obama supporters, so are all of the McCain/Palin supporters nuts as well?
Poor Obama and his supporteres. We all must give them special consideration and understanding. They are just being mis-understood. Their threats and claims do not mean what they clearly mean. We can not hold Oboma or any of his supporters responsible for what they do or say. However, we MUST hold McCain and Palin responsible for everything every one of their suppporters say and do even when a number of witnesses on the scene say no such thing happened.
"It's not the facts that matter... it's the seriousness of the charge."
That sounds vaguely familiar.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 9:24:57 PM
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I still think that the B is backwards. She also said she would go to the hospital the next day? I still don't understand that, but I'm just happy she received medical attention.
I believe the B is upside down, he probably carved it standing over the top of her head (maybe he squatted by the hairline at the top of the head) so that the top of the letter would be closer to the chin and the bottom nearer to the hairline.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 9:51:11 PM
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I still think that the B is backwards. She also said she would go to the hospital the next day? I still don't understand that, but I'm just happy she received medical attention.
I believe the B is upside down, he probably carved it standing over the top of her head (maybe he squatted by the hairline at the top of the head) so that the top of the letter would be closer to the chin and the bottom nearer to the hairline.
Now that you stated this, it did cause me to go back and look at it again. I think you may be right.
So after looking at all different scenarios are people still convinced that it was an Obama supporter? I'm not ruling it out (people are crazy), but I highly doubt that this attack was politcally motivated.
Maybe it was B for Bush?!?!?!
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 10:31:57 PM
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Dubya
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I still think that the B is backwards. She also said she would go to the hospital the next day? I still don't understand that, but I'm just happy she received medical attention.
I believe the B is upside down, he probably carved it standing over the top of her head (maybe he squatted by the hairline at the top of the head) so that the top of the letter would be closer to the chin and the bottom nearer to the hairline.
Now that you stated this, it did cause me to go back and look at it again. I think you may be right.
So after looking at all different scenarios are people still convinced that it was an Obama supporter? I'm not ruling it out (people are crazy), but I highly doubt that this attack was politcally motivated.
I think it was motivated by what motivates every thug... getting someone else's money.
Kinda sounds like a certain presidential candidate.
Carving his messiah's initial in the victim's face was cruel and unnecessary because he got her money... I can only conclude that the bumper-sticker incited his rage.
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Maybe it was B for Bush?!?!?!
Now that is really a little ridiculous - even for a mindless Obama supporter.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 10:42:58 PM
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I still think that the B is backwards. She also said she would go to the hospital the next day? I still don't understand that, but I'm just happy she received medical attention.
I believe the B is upside down, he probably carved it standing over the top of her head (maybe he squatted by the hairline at the top of the head) so that the top of the letter would be closer to the chin and the bottom nearer to the hairline.
Now that you stated this, it did cause me to go back and look at it again. I think you may be right.
So after looking at all different scenarios are people still convinced that it was an Obama supporter? I'm not ruling it out (people are crazy), but I highly doubt that this attack was politcally motivated.
I think it was motivated by what motivates every thug... getting someone else's money.
Kinda sounds like a certain presidential candidate.
Carving his messiah's initial in the victim's face was cruel and unnecessary because he got her money... I can only conclude that the bumper-sticker incited his rage.
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Maybe it was B for Bush?!?!?!
Now that is really a little ridiculous - even for a mindless Obama supporter.
Mindless??? Who exactly are you calling mindless?
If you were talking about the robber, it hasn't been confirmed that this person was an Obama supporter.
Some reports are reporting that this could be a hoax. The girl may have done this to herself. Just google her name and all sorts or reports pop up. I will be waiting to hear the true story hopefully by tomorrow.
TMZ is reporting that they have spoken to Pittsburgh PD and they are saying that they are highly skeptical of the claims in this story. Sullivan also has this note from a reader that gets right to the point:
All and all I have said that I hope this young lady is well and that I hope that they catch the person who did this to her. NO ONE deserves to be attacked.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 10:53:53 PM
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Dubya
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Mindless??? Who exactly are you calling mindless?
If you were talking about the robber, it hasn't been confirmed that this person was an Obama supporter.
Some reports are reporting that this could be a hoax. The girl may have done this to herself. Just google her name and all sorts or reports pop up. I will be waiting to hear the true story hopefully by tomorrow.
TMZ is reporting that they have spoken to Pittsburgh PD and they are saying that they are highly skeptical of the claims in this story. Sullivan also has this note from a reader that gets right to the point:
All and all I have said that I hope this young lady is well and that I hope that they catch the person who did this to her. NO ONE deserves to be attacked.
It is good to see that you agree that no one deserves to be attacked like this.
But what I don't understand is your complete reluctance to accept that one of The One's supporters could do this. You even go as far as to assert it could be "B" for Bush.
As if that wasn't the most ridiculous claim I ever heard you then speculate that the victim could have done it to herself.
You are really going to great lengths to defend this thug (the thief not Obama). It really amazes me.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 11:04:14 PM
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"The latest Obama Campaign Initiative"?
Give me a break Jhud.
I seriously thought you were better than this.
Especially after there's been so much complaining about people generalizing about McCain supporters based on the comments of individuals at rallies.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 11:07:37 PM
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If "Person A" (an Obama/McCain supporter) assaults "Person B" (an Obama/McCain supporter) the politics of either party are irrelevant.
What matters is the crime at hand.
I recall you being in support of hate crimes...
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 11:14:25 PM
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Mindless??? Who exactly are you calling mindless?
If you were talking about the robber, it hasn't been confirmed that this person was an Obama supporter.
Some reports are reporting that this could be a hoax. The girl may have done this to herself. Just google her name and all sorts or reports pop up. I will be waiting to hear the true story hopefully by tomorrow.
TMZ is reporting that they have spoken to Pittsburgh PD and they are saying that they are highly skeptical of the claims in this story. Sullivan also has this note from a reader that gets right to the point:
All and all I have said that I hope this young lady is well and that I hope that they catch the person who did this to her. NO ONE deserves to be attacked.
It is good to see that you agree that no one deserves to be attacked like this.
But what I don't understand is your complete reluctance to accept that one of The One's supporters could do this. You even go as far as to assert it could be "B" for Bush.
As if that wasn't the most ridiculous claim I ever heard you then speculate that the victim could have done it to herself.
You are really going to great lengths to defend this thug (the thief not Obama). It really amazes me.
Did you read my first post? I said that there could be a possiblity that this person did this because they supported Obama. I also said that after futher review I personally don't think that this was the case. I never once defended the thief for his action. I have always said that this was wrong. Where you got this assumption from, I will never know! That amazes me! I have said that this has not been confirmed that this is a Obama supporter.
I'm just not convinced that the thief just happened to notice a bumper sticker on a car and assumed that it was her car and went back to attack her. Things don't add up, just google and you will see that even the police are skeptical about her story.
I believe she was attacked but I think she added the extra part about the bumper sticker. I'm entitled to my opinion. You have a different opinoin. That's cool. You really amaze me your negative attitude.
The letter B could have stood for many different things. B-word (female dog), Barack, Bush. It could have stood for a gang (The Bloods) who knows what the B stood for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why are you so convinced that this was an Obama supporter? I gave reasons why I think her story doesn't add up. What about her story makes you so sure that this was attack was politcally motivated?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/23/2008 11:56:12 PM
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Did anyone even read any of the details of this case?
Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, was using an ATM at Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street in Bloomfield just before 9 p.m. Wednesday when a man approached her, put a knife to her throat and demanded $60, police said.
Todd handed the man $60 she had in her pocket and stepped away from him, investigators said. The man then noticed the bumper sticker on the woman's car, which was parked in front of the ATM. The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain and punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said.
"He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain," said police Chief Nate Harper.
The man then carved the "B" into Todd's right cheek. Todd, who isn't familiar with the area, drove to a friend's house nearby and told her friend she wasn't sure of the exact location where the robbery took place but remembered a green sign above the ATM. The friend called police and the officer met them on Cypress Street in Bloomfield, police said.
The assault was obviously politically motivated; there is no doubt about the message this thug was trying to send.
The fact is just last week the leftist posters on this board were trying to make a case that a single, anonymous person at a rally of thousands yelling "Kill Him", (who has since proved fictitious), constituted proof that McCain's campaign was stirring up hatred against Obama.
And now we have a case where an Obama supporter is carving up the face of a woman because she supported McCain, and you are now saying the way Obama has run his campaign has nothing to do with it.
Well that fact would make you disingenuous hypocrites.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:23:17 AM
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A 20 year old Republican volunteer worker has reportedly been attacked by an Obama supporting mugger in Pittsburg.
Ashley Todd, 20 from Texas, alleges that she was robbed at knifepoint at an ATM and knocked down by a man who then carved a “B” in her face after noticing a sticker for John McCain on her car. The story first came to prominence from the SarahsArmy blog, then picked up by the Drudge Report who initially claimed Todd was a McCain campaign worker.
Police have told the media that they are exploring all angles, including the alleged political side.
Besides the timing this close to the election, the story raises some interesting questions. Was the attack on Todd politically motivated, or is it an elaborate hoax?
Great, now Obama supporters are attacking victims of crimes. That's just sick.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:25:04 AM
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Shouldn't be surprising after their blitzkrieg on Joe the Plumber. *shrug* Talk about intimidation...
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:29:26 AM
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A 20 year old Republican volunteer worker has reportedly been attacked by an Obama supporting mugger in Pittsburg.
Ashley Todd, 20 from Texas, alleges that she was robbed at knifepoint at an ATM and knocked down by a man who then carved a “B” in her face after noticing a sticker for John McCain on her car. The story first came to prominence from the SarahsArmy blog, then picked up by the Drudge Report who initially claimed Todd was a McCain campaign worker.
Police have told the media that they are exploring all angles, including the alleged political side.
Besides the timing this close to the election, the story raises some interesting questions. Was the attack on Todd politically motivated, or is it an elaborate hoax?
Great, now Obama supporters are attacking victims of crimes. That's just sick.
Nobody is attacking her. I just want to know the truth. The story keeps changing. But oh well, like I said in my last post, some people hate to be wrong. I bet if this did turn out to be a hoax people would still find someway to make this Obama's fault. What's sick is that SOME people are so narrow minded and dislike Obama so much they try to blame everything on him.
If this is truly confirmed to be a politcal motivated attack, then I do agree that some Obama supporters are going too far. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:48:51 AM
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Nobody is attacking her. I just want to know the truth. The story keeps changing. But oh well, like I said in my last post, some people hate to be wrong. I bet if this did turn out to be a hoax people would still find someway to make this Obama's fault. What's sick is that SOME people are so narrow minded and dislike Obama so much they try to blame everything on him.
I would say the much bigger problem is that no one blames Obama for anything; he isn't responsible for who he spends his time with, he isn't responsible for who gives him money, he isn't responsible for what his supporters do and write, everytime something negative is associated with him, people are being unfair to him. Is this how he is going to run his administration?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:31:29 AM
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Cheap shot.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:18:38 AM
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The assault was obviously politically motivated; there is no doubt about the message this thug was trying to send.
The fact is just last week the leftist posters on this board were trying to make a case that a single, anonymous person at a rally of thousands yelling "Kill Him", (who has since proved fictitious), constituted proof that McCain's campaign was stirring up hatred against Obama.
And now we have a case where an Obama supporter is carving up the face of a woman because she supported McCain, and you are now saying the way Obama has run his campaign has nothing to do with it.
Well that fact would make you disingenuous hypocrites.
How exactly is this Obama's fault?
Speaking only for myself, I think the problem with the statements at the McCain rallies wasn't that they happened (there's crazies on both sides, after all), but rather that they happened at an official McCain event without being renounced (or at least at first). So I fail to see the parallel here. My only beef with McCain was that he initially wasn't putting such things in check. To his credit, however, McCain ultimately did put such things into check (as he did at the Lakeville MN rally, for example), and his campaign has been very good about renouncing such things since then. McCain supporters themselves also have been very good lately about putting such things in check themselves (as the recent video of Muslim Supporters of McCain attests).
So as an Obama supporter, I will state right here and now that I don't think McCain is personally responsible for what his supporters do, and that any liberal who is making this claim in this stark of a manner is wrong. IF they occur at his rally or by one of his cohorts, he should obviously denounce them. But McCain really has no control over what some insane idiot decides to do in his name any more than Obama does. There's idiots on both sides.
But one would also have to be an idiot to believe that robbing and carving up people is Obama's latest "campaign initiative", and that this somehow reflects on all Obama supporters, so I assume you are being facetious in your thread title to make a point. If not, by framing the discussion in the way you are you are showing yourself to really be no better than those people you are railing against. Your argument's the exact same as theirs, and every bit as cheap, it's only the names and political positions that are switched around.
The title you chose for this thread is exactly the sort of headline the Daily Kos would chose if this was a story about a McCain supporter assaulting an Obama supporter. I know how much you detest Kos' sort of politics so I'm surprised to see you engaged in them.
For what it's worth the Obama campaign released the following statement on the incident:
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Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_594939.html
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:51:00 AM
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So as an Obama supporter, I will state right here and now that I don't think McCain is personally responsible for what his supporters do, and that any liberal who is making this claim in this stark of a manner is wrong. IF they occur at his rally or by one of his cohorts, he should obviously denounce them. But McCain really has no control over what some insane idiot decides to do in his name any more than Obama does. There's idiots on both sides.
Yes, well you are about a couple of weeks late on this one. But it served it's purpose, so I guess it doesn't matter.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 5:22:09 AM
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Some reports are reporting that this could be a hoax. The girl may have done this to herself. Just google her name and all sorts or reports pop up. I will be waiting to hear the true story hopefully by tomorrow.
TMZ is reporting that they have spoken to Pittsburgh PD and they are saying that they are highly skeptical of the claims in this story. Sullivan also has this note from a reader that gets right to the point:
Here we go again. Lets dig into the background of the victim. It's bad enough she was muggde and assaulted. Now, if the media follows Stephs train of thought, she's going to be victimized all over again.
If this is how Obama supporters are going to treat those who disagree, I hate to see what happens when/if he's elected. Looks like the first amendment will get trampled before the second.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 8:55:54 AM
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I have to admit, when I first heard about this, my first thought was "she made it up, in support of McCain." I seriously doubted the veracity of the story, because we've all heard about stuff like this happening, when it turns out the 'victim' was also the 'perp'.
But honestly, who in her right mind would intentionally carve a letter into her face, just to gain votes for McCain? I now think her story is how it happened - and there's definitely a disturbed robber out there that needs to be brought to justice!
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 8:59:46 AM
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You guys have taken a news story and have decided what the letter B means.
B could mean anything.
The silliest part about all this is that someone decided B means Obama or Barack or something, and co-incidentally the victim had a mccain sticker...
B a long time ago meant another word for female dog.
but no, you have already decidecd its an obama thing.
That is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
even before the guy gets tried in court, you have all decided to read his mind and decide.
NOW YOU KNOW WHY I REFUSE TO VOTE MCCAIN IF THIS IS WHAT THIS DOES TO YOUR RATIONAL THINKING!
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 9:04:09 AM
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You guys have taken a news story and have decided what the letter B means.
B could mean anything.
The silliest part about all this is that someone decided B means Obama or Barack or something, and co-incidentally the victim had a mccain sticker...
B a long time ago meant another word for female dog.
but no, you have already decidecd its an obama thing.
That is the most ridiculous thing i ever heard.
even before the guy gets tried in court, you have all decided to read his mind and decide.
NOW YOU KNOW WHY I REFUSE TO VOTE MCCAIN IF THIS IS WHAT THIS DOES TO YOUR RATIONAL THINKING!
Please calm down. You need to read the victim's statement to police again, particularly this part:
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The man then noticed the bumper sticker on the woman's car, which was parked in front of the ATM. The man became very angry, made comments to Todd about John McCain and punched her in the back of the head, knocking her to the ground, police said.
"He continued to kick and punch her repeatedly and said he would teach her a lesson for supporting John McCain," said police Chief Nate Harper.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:05:35 AM
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Some reports are reporting that this could be a hoax. The girl may have done this to herself. Just google her name and all sorts or reports pop up. I will be waiting to hear the true story hopefully by tomorrow.
TMZ is reporting that they have spoken to Pittsburgh PD and they are saying that they are highly skeptical of the claims in this story. Sullivan also has this note from a reader that gets right to the point:
Here we go again. Lets dig into the background of the victim. It's bad enough she was muggde and assaulted. Now, if the media follows Stephs train of thought, she's going to be victimized all over again.
If this is how Obama supporters are going to treat those who disagree, I hate to see what happens when/if he's elected. Looks like the first amendment will get trampled before the second.
Nobody is digging into the background of the victim. I think that if this girl is lying about the detalis of the attack America has the right to know! I believe the attack happened but was not politcally motivated. I never said it couldn't have happen. I have always said that the person who did this to her was crazy and she didn't deserve to be attacked. What troubles me is that her story keeps changing. Reports are popping up everywhere that this may not be true. Even the police are unsure if this happened because she isn't being honest with them. If she was attacked, because her statements don't add up.
Now she is clamimg that man saw her McCain button and that could have been what set him off. She is also saying she was sexually assualted. If someone robbed, beat me, and sexually assualted me, I would make sure I would tell the police ALL of the information. Why leave important information out of your statement?
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