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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:10:13 AM
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Jhud
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Nobody is digging into the background of the victim. I think that if this girl is lying about the attacks, then America has the right to know! I never said it couldn't have happen. I have always said that the person who did this to her was crazy and she didn't deserve to be attacked. What troubles me is that her story keeps changing. Reports are popping up everywhere that this may not be true. Even the police are unsure if this happened because she isn't being honest with them. If she was attacked, because her statements don't add up.
Now she is clamimg that man saw her McCain button and that could have been what set him off. She is also saying she was sexually assualted. If someone robbed, beat me, and sexually assualted me, I would make sure I would tell the police ALL of the information. Why leave important information out of your statement?
You know, I am following this story pretty closely, and I don't see this out there. In fact, it would be unusual for the police to give a running news feed of their discussions with a victim until they were done investigating. I would like to know where you are getting your information from?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:10:53 AM
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I googled Ashley Todd and looked at news results. I will put some links up in a couple of minutes!!
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08298/922564-100.stm
Police say inconsistencies in McCain staffer's story
Friday, October 24, 2008
By Jerome L. Sherman, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Police say there are inconsistencies in the story of a McCain campaign staffer who told them she was mugged in Bloomfield on Wednesday night by a man who etched a "B" on her cheek when he saw a McCain sticker on her car.
Ashley Todd, 20, of College Station, Texas, spent five hours with robbery detectives last night at police headquarters, where she took a polygraph test. She told police that a man robbed her as she tried to take money from an ATM machine at Pearl Street and Liberty Avenue around 9 p.m. Wednesday.
Ms. Todd told police she then began walking to her car, which had McCain stickers on it. She told police that although the robber had moved away from her, he became agitated when he saw her car, punched her in the back of the head, pushed her to the ground and carved the letter into her face. Yesterday, she said the man sexually assaulted her, a detail that police said she didn't mention in the initial report.
Police today said that security camera footage from the Citizens Bank doesn't show the incident, but it could have happened outside the camera's range. Police also said they have found no witnesses to the attack. Ms. Todd has said she will return for further interviewing today and will help police create a composite sketch of her attacker.
He is described as a 6-foot 4-inch, 200-pound black man, with medium build and short black hair.
More details in tomorrow's
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:20:34 AM
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steph381
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Nobody is digging into the background of the victim. I think that if this girl is lying about the attacks, then America has the right to know! I never said it couldn't have happen. I have always said that the person who did this to her was crazy and she didn't deserve to be attacked. What troubles me is that her story keeps changing. Reports are popping up everywhere that this may not be true. Even the police are unsure if this happened because she isn't being honest with them. If she was attacked, because her statements don't add up.
Now she is clamimg that man saw her McCain button and that could have been what set him off. She is also saying she was sexually assualted. If someone robbed, beat me, and sexually assualted me, I would make sure I would tell the police ALL of the information. Why leave important information out of your statement?
You know, I am following this story pretty closely, and I don't see this out there. In fact, it would be unusual for the police to give a running news feed of their discussions with a victim until they were done investigating. I would like to know where you are getting your information from?
Where do you go to find your news articles? I'm a person who believes that there is two sides to every story. I would like to read articles that support Ms. Todd's claim. When I search, i keep finding articles that are skeptical. Nobody is confirming that this was a politcally motivated attack. Thanks! 
You may think( i don't know for sure) because I support Obama that I'm biased and like some of his other supporters who believe he can do no wrong. I'm not like that, he is a man and no man is not without sin.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:24:14 AM
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Jhud
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Where do you go to find your news articles? I'm a person who believes that there is two sides to every story. I would like to read articles that support Ms. Todd's claim. When I search, i keep finding articles that are skeptical. Nobody is confirming that this was a politcally motivated attack. Thanks!
You may think( i don't know for sure) because I support Obama that I'm biased and like some of his other supporters who believe he can do no wrong. I'm not like that, he is a man and no man is not without sin.
Well, there seems to be all sorts of stuff flying around out there as expected in a politically charged story - I am waiting for it to come from more official sources.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 11:45:18 AM
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Where do you go to find your news articles? I'm a person who believes that there is two sides to every story. I would like to read articles that support Ms. Todd's claim. When I search, i keep finding articles that are skeptical. Nobody is confirming that this was a politcally motivated attack. Thanks!
You may think( i don't know for sure) because I support Obama that I'm biased and like some of his other supporters who believe he can do no wrong. I'm not like that, he is a man and no man is not without sin.
Well, there seems to be all sorts of stuff flying around out there as expected in a politically charged story - I am waiting for it to come from more official sources.
What would be consider an offical source? I believe that newspaper, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, would be a pretty reliable source. I understand that blogs are not the best place to find stories, but why do you believe that this source was not offical?
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:00:51 PM
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Jhud
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What would be consider an offical source? I believe that newspaper, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, would be a pretty reliable source. I understand that blogs are not the best place to find stories, but why do you believe that this source was not offical?
I didn't see that link before I posted that.
It's still being investigated an there are all kinds of stories flying around; I am not sure why the police would be giving a running narrative of the facts in the middle of it, we'll see how it plays out.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:07:47 PM
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if it turns out any part of this story involving Obama's name is a hoax, I promise I'll be one of the first to condemn Ashley Todd for it.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 12:34:30 PM
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A backwards "B", huh? Like, the kind you'd carve if you did it in front of a mirror?
Okeydokey.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:12:53 PM
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stamper_ben
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A backwards "B", huh? Like, the kind you'd carve if you did it in front of a mirror?
Okeydokey.
Yeah, conservatives are well known self-mutilators... Known to give ourselves black eyes and bruises... Whipping ourselves in a frenzy.
Or you could look at the B as being done from above. But that might just stretch the liberal imagination...
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:18:05 PM
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Nobody is digging into the background of the victim. I think that if this girl is lying about the detalis of the attack America has the right to know! I believe the attack happened but was not politcally motivated. I never said it couldn't have happen. I have always said that the person who did this to her was crazy and she didn't deserve to be attacked. What troubles me is that her story keeps changing. Reports are popping up everywhere that this may not be true. Even the police are unsure if this happened because she isn't being honest with them. If she was attacked, because her statements don't add up.
Now she is clamimg that man saw her McCain button and that could have been what set him off. She is also saying she was sexually assualted. If someone robbed, beat me, and sexually assualted me, I would make sure I would tell the police ALL of the information. Why leave important information out of your statement?
My comment was more to the point of the mere suggestion that the victim be investigated. Look what happended to Joe the plumber. The guy asked a simple question and the media turned him into a liar, a McCain plant, etc. Joe became the scapegoat. That being said, while you seem to want more stories from the news media, the case is still under investigation. Police should not be sharing all these details until the investigation is concluded. Sems to me that this is more proof that the media can no longer be trsuted. They, all too often, make things up just to get the story out there.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:20:16 PM
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This is awful, but, fruits and nuts are not along party lines. Well actually lots of them on the obama trail, but, lots of nuts in the world today. I do not think everyone who supports Sen. Obama is nuts. I disagree politically with them, and somewhat spiritually, but, I do believe they are my breathren. The ones that claim Jesus as Lord. It is the Judgment seat of Christ where we will give account, including myself for the choices we make. I do not stand there beside the throne with Christ and judge hearts. I was not giveen permission for that (LOL). Now do not get me wrong I am a conservative that believes BO is not a good man, but, I do not think all Dem. are bad people. I would have to think that about mom, dad, and in-laws (LOL) though my parents are not voting in this election. LOve You all. 
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:26:20 PM
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huangshan
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Look what happended to Joe the plumber. The guy asked a simple question and the media turned him into a liar, a McCain plant, etc. Joe became the scapegoat. That being said, while you seem to want more stories from the news media, the case is still under investigation. Police should not be sharing all these details until the investigation is concluded. Sems to me that this is more proof that the media can no longer be trsuted. They, all too often, make things up just to get the story out there.
McCain made Joe the plumber into a talking point during the debate. The media investigated said talking point. I'm sure it'd be politically useful for the press to shut up about all this stuff until after the election, but...
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:35:57 PM
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McCain made Joe the plumber into a talking point during the debate. The media investigated said talking point. I'm sure it'd be politically useful for the press to shut up about all this stuff until after the election, but... I think you missed the "talking" point altogether. It wasn't about the plumber, it was about the candidate's answer to his question.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:53:14 PM
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Good lord.
And they say the REPUBLICANS are creating a lynch mob mentality...
Poor woman.
Would that be this lady?
If you view a picture of her on Breitbart (just for the pic, not the source per se), it's interesting that the robber was able to carve the B backwards-maybe he held a mirror up to her face to do it. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D940EL380&show_article=1
Is it possible that this was a legitimate attack-no question. It just seems like a lot of "loose ends" with this story that really look suspicious-especially given the very clear racial overtones of the story (not to mention the fact that the alleged attack happened within proximity of an ATM-almost all ATM's today are in well lit camera monitored areas and there were NO facts to corroborate her story-sounds a little interesting to me.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:56:44 PM
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huangshan
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A backwards "B", huh? Like, the kind you'd carve if you did it in front of a mirror?
Okeydokey.
Yeah, conservatives are well known self-mutilators... Known to give ourselves black eyes and bruises... Whipping ourselves in a frenzy.
Or you could look at the B as being done from above. But that might just stretch the liberal imagination...
I dunno, it seems like when a failure of imagination is brought up, it's typically in defense of something absurd, like 9/11 inside jobbers or JFK legends. Maybe her assailant carved it backwards so that we'd all think sh did it to herself! 
In other news, she apparently faked it and as such, I believe EStan has some condemning to do: http://kdka.com/
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 1:58:32 PM
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Let the cops finish their investigation. If it turns out she's a liar upon conclusion of the investigation, then we can beat her up in discussion. In the mean time, it seems the media is playing us. Another clear example of how the media influences our thinking.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:02:22 PM
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Well, it looks like I was wrong for believing this story and this person.
Not only wrong, but spectacularly and absolutely wrong.
My sincere apologies for getting caught up in the heat of the story; I like to be right, but when I am wrong, I try to be as publicly and completely wrong as possible so as to leave no doubt.
No excuses, just wrong.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:04:04 PM
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she has a myspace or facebook whatever, and she wrote in there "Lying is fun" ...
and her story keeps changing.
More amazing than that ,, are my fellow christians here, jumping on the bandwagon, and believing her story right off the bat.
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RE: Latest McCain Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:05:29 PM
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Well, it looks like I was wrong for believing this story and this person.
Not only wrong, but spectacularly and absolutely wrong.
My sincere apologies for getting caught up in the heat of the story; I like to be right, but when I am wrong, I try to be as publicly and completely wrong as possible so as to leave no doubt.
No excuses, just wrong.
So that means the title of the thread will be changed to "Latest McCain Campaign Initiative"?
You could even edit "I wonder how deep the hatred of Obama supporters really goes?" to "I wonder how deep the masochistic desperation of McCain supporters really goes?"
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RE: Latest McCain Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:08:59 PM
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So that means the title of the thread will be changed to "Latest McCain Campaign Initiative"?
You could even edit "I wonder how deep the hatred of Obama supporters really goes?" to "I wonder how deep the masochistic desperation of McCain supporters really goes?"
No, best to leave it up there as a reminder not to abandon healthy skepticism for partisan rancor; I am willing to be the poster boy.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:12:04 PM
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EStan
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I guess I need to rent a Jerry Lewis movie tonight!
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:16:17 PM
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Just goes to show there are disturbed people on both sides of the aisle. This woman needs some professional help.
(Interestingly, Michelle Malkin was saying she thought the whole thing smelled fishy last night.)
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:18:40 PM
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Jhud
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Jack, I believe you have a little WorldNutDaily demon that occasionally takes over. Or maybe it's just the prospect of having Al Franken as a Senator getting to you.
Al Franken and Obama. I think that would certainly stand up as insanity defense in any court of law.
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RE: Latest Obama Campaign Initiative - 10/24/2008 2:20:11 PM
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blue1914
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Well, it looks like I was wrong for believing this story and this person.
Not only wrong, but spectacularly and absolutely wrong.
My sincere apologies for getting caught up in the heat of the story; I like to be right, but when I am wrong, I try to be as publicly and completely wrong as possible so as to leave no doubt.
No excuses, just wrong.
I don't know that that's been proven yet, though I do so appreciate the tone which you are striking and your willingness to acknowledge a potential mistake. It's refreshing and encouraging (to me) to see that we ARE indeed Christians and fairness is important to us.
That said-it's entirely possible that the woman was indeed the victim of an attack and her attacker will be found. The results of a polygraph have not been released yet nor do we even know the full story. Myspace and Facebook pages have been spoofed in the past-who knows what the real story is just yet?
What IS so key to your recent statements has been your willingness to look at this issue from a lens of true fairness - and I SO appreciate you for that. It may not mean much, but thank you for being willing to look at the possibility that there is such as thing as partisan bias and being willing to call even yourself on it.
Thank you!
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Or maybe it's just the prospect of having Al Franken as a Senator getting to you. 
