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christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 1:52:28 PM
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pryze
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what are your ideas on this topic is it a problem to listen to secular music one of my readers on my blog at www.youngpryze.bogspot.com said this "Its based on your convictions and if curtain songs put you in bondage there is no need to listen to it..
We are free in christ so if music or movies put you in bondage there is no need to listen to or watch it...Its more of casting down every IMAGINATION that exalts its self above the knowledge of christ.." which is the explanation im leaning toward and find to be the most bible based what do you think?
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:03:07 PM
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what are your ideas on this topic is it a problem to listen to secular music one of my readers on my blog at www.youngpryze.bogspot.com said this "Its based on your convictions and if curtain songs put you in bondage there is no need to listen to it..
We are free in christ so if music or movies put you in bondage there is no need to listen to or watch it...Its more of casting down every IMAGINATION that exalts its self above the knowledge of christ.." which is the explanation im leaning toward and find to be the most bible based what do you think?
One of the first things I cut off when I was coming into a deeper knowledge of the Lord, was secular music that didn't directly glorify Him. They went hand-in-hand, and that's my experience.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:07:18 PM
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Your car doesn't directly glorify God either, so I assume you walk everywhere you go?
This is the newest chapter in what has become a very tired argument.
I listen to both Christian and secular music, because I find material of worth in both camps. I also find my share of dreck in both camps.
I'd rather listen to an honest, heartfelt, sincere secular love song than a shallow Christian song any day of the week.
Look for the good wherever you can find it. Truth and God's presence doesn't have to be a gospel tract in order to be acceptable....
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:17:52 PM
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Your car doesn't directly glorify God either, so I assume you walk everywhere you go?
This is the newest chapter in what has become a very tired argument.
I listen to both Christian and secular music, because I find material of worth in both camps. I also find my share of dreck in both camps.
I'd rather listen to an honest, heartfelt, sincere secular love song than a shallow Christian song any day of the week.
Look for the good wherever you can find it. Truth and God's presence doesn't have to be a gospel tract in order to be acceptable....
Ah, but that is what you are wrong. I sense that you have grown calloused to this subject, but I will say up front that simply I believe you are walking in error. I control where my car goes every time I get in it. It is not an object with a will or a mind, therefore as long as I am taking my car to glorify God, my car does in fact directly glorify God. However, unlike my car, the music I listen to does have a will and a mind because it is a direct expression of such--the will and mind of those who are singing/playing the music.
I'd rather listen to heartfelt, honest, sincere Christian music than heartfelt, honest, sincere secular music any day.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:18:54 PM
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For me music has two parts, rhythm and lyrics. I may not like the lyrics but the rhythm of both styles appeal to me.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:23:05 PM
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I sense that you have grown calloused to this subject, but I will say up front that simply I believe you are walking in error.
And some Scripture to prove your point would be found.....
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I'd rather listen to heartfelt, honest, sincere Christian music than heartfelt, honest, sincere secular music any day.
Unfortunately, not all Christian music is good, and not all secular music is bad. You say you find me in error, I find you to be spiritually throwing the baby out with the bath water. God can and will use whatever He chooses to accomplish His purposes. And He can in fact use secular music (I know He has in my own life, and I'm sure many others will agree...)
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:26:12 PM
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I'd rather listen to heartfelt, honest, sincere Christian music than heartfelt, honest, sincere secular music any day.
Me too. It's a shame that there isn't too much out there these days.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:30:21 PM
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I listen to both as well. Before I was converted, I listened to hard rock/alternative/metal. Now, just 4 years later, I cannot stand to listen to it anymore. What I do listen to is the more melodious secular music, which is uncommon in the modern alternative or rock. I still listen to the classics of like Pearl Jam, but I actually listen to stuff much easier than that like 38 Special or John Mellencamp, and the Who.
At the same time, I like to listen to some of the christian music, but consider a lot of the pop stuff lame. I never did like the pop sound. My absolute favorites are Casting Crowns, and Jeremy Camp. I also got a couple of cds with a collection of artists like Open the Eyes of My Heart, and I Can Only Imagine, which I got from through Time Life Collections.
Every now and again, I'll throw on Collective Soul or Third Day.
It's funny, because songs that I used to sing along to at the top of my lungs, and dance around to, I cannot handle listening to now. Kind of like Queen, or Motley Crue, or Poison, Lynrd Skynrd and Aerosmith. I guess the Holy Spirit doesn't enjoy that stuff; it doesn't flow or whatever. It just seems abrasive to me now.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:37:48 PM
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And some Scripture to prove your point would be found.....
And you didn't think I would get any... did you. Will you consider it?
Ephesians 5:18-21
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Now, Paul's directive is in response to an alternative to becoming drunk on booze--but it is good advice nonetheless, and linked with "being filled with the Spirit." Paul specifically said psalms, hymmns, and spiritual songs... and that's because that is what glorifies God--"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."
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Unfortunately, not all Christian music is good, and not all secular music is bad. You say you find me in error, I find you to be spiritually throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I would recommend only listening to good Christian music.
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God can and will use whatever He chooses to accomplish His purposes. And He can in fact use secular music (I know He has in my own life, and I'm sure many others will agree...)
The Lord is merciful, and He does work in mysterious ways.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:41:18 PM
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Moving from General Faith to Music.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:41:42 PM
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I'd rather listen to heartfelt, honest, sincere Christian music than heartfelt, honest, sincere secular music any day.
Me too. It's a shame that there isn't too much out there these days.
Im amazed at how many "Dead Heads" still listen to the old stuff.
That is to say... when you don't think there is any good new stuff coming out, then the old is still available. :)
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:42:12 PM
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Ephesians 5:18-21
I see no prohibition on secular music there.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:42:53 PM
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Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Is the definition of hymn and psalm specifically religious? (In the original, I mean.) Wondering why spiritual was used if so.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:46:33 PM
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Bravo, you're one of the few who actually made an attempt at providing some Scriptural support.
Unfortunately, it still doesn't preclude secular music. There are any number of secular songs that are just as edifying, and sometimes moreso, than what Christian music offers.
Example, I'd take ASIA's "Ready To Go Home" over the inane "Cartoon Song" any day of the week. A cursory glance at the lyrics of both and you'll get my meaning.
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I would recommend only listening to good Christian music.
And I would recommend listening to music that is positive and uplifting, be it Christian or secular....
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:46:57 PM
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Ephesians 5:18-21
I see no prohibition on secular music there.
Nor do I.
1 Corinthians 10:23
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:50:22 PM
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I listen to music of most ALL genres..(motown/60s R&B), and then pop like U2, my "homeboy" Bob Seger, classical (Shostakovich, in particular), blues (Robert Johnson, BB King...Iam going to a BB King concert next month!!!!)....and, then there's Jazz....particularly Wynton Marsalis. How would Jazz fall into the "christian music/secular music" issue? I would think it falls into the "OTHER" category. Some will likely call it "secular" because it's NOT overtly "Christian", with the lyrics and all (or lack thereof).....
"Christian Music"? Of all the times I have tried to listen to "Christian music", it's always been too "adult contemporary"/girly sounding. OR, too "heavy metal/alternative" sounding.......Who in the "Christian Music" world comes close to the talent such as a Wynton or a BB? Is there a Christian "Blues" singer that approaches the ability of a Stevie Ray Vaughan or Elmore James? That really all depends on your personal preferences....and personal opinion.
which all of this "christian music/secular music" debate for the last several decades has revolved around: PERSONAL preferences and opinion. And, then there's people who use the bible, twisting scripture and such, to try to tell others that THEIR "preferences" and "opinons" aren't "as good" as theirs....
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:54:54 PM
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stellaluna,
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Is the definition of hymn and psalm specifically religious? (In the original, I mean.) Wondering why spiritual was used if so.
I've done extensive work on the Greek of this passage, and I can assure you they were specifically religious.
DannyBoy02,
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1 Corinthians 10:23
That's in the context of not causing fellow believers to stumble. Paul is saying that just because something is fine for you doesn't mean it will be fine for everyone else - which I totally agree with. I have no problem with a fellow Christian saying, "To me, personally, listening to secular music is a bad thing." My issue is when that becomes, "Because I have a problem with it, so should everyone else!"
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 2:56:15 PM
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And I would recommend listening to music that is positive and uplifting, be it Christian or secular....
Okay, I will say that I don't believe all secular music is bad... nor do I believe that just because a Christian wrote/produced a song it is good. We are all capable of sinning, as I'm sure you know. I am, you are, we are.
However, I guess that is where discrection must come in. I don't think it is wise to just be *caught up* in the moment, or in a melody. It should be with a purpose on a person (Jesus). I'm not saying you are evil or anything for listening to secular music, I'm just saying that by in large, it is unprofitable to the Christian mind or spirit.
It's true, you can build house out of old lumber with below-par materials, and it can be a nice house. However, you can build a better house out of new lumber and with better materials.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 3:06:56 PM
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stellaluna,
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Is the definition of hymn and psalm specifically religious? (In the original, I mean.) Wondering why spiritual was used if so.
I've done extensive work on the Greek of this passage, and I can assure you they were specifically religious.
DannyBoy02,
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1 Corinthians 10:23
That's in the context of not causing fellow believers to stumble. Paul is saying that just because something is fine for you doesn't mean it will be fine for everyone else - which I totally agree with. I have no problem with a fellow Christian saying, "To me, personally, listening to secular music is a bad thing." My issue is when that becomes, "Because I have a problem with it, so should everyone else!"
It's in the context of what is lawful but not beneficial or edifying. There are many things that are not prohibited... per say... but are not beneficial. I believe secular music, more often than not, is one of those things.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 3:20:59 PM
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Not too, long after the Lord saved me. I remember sewing for our 2 young daughters. And I needed some music to sew by. I turned on the radio. The reception was not great, since we lived among a forested hill outside a very small town. But it was at that point, I realized I could not listen to continueous secular music, again...
It brought bad memories of my darker past, (the sin Jesus took for me). Many of the songs played as theme songs to my former life. So, I searched for a Christian station.
Most of the music was boring then, compared to what my ears had once celebrated, but when I listened FOR the Lord, the music became sweeter to my soul. And the lyrics were just what I needed to praise God with, and keep me focused on him! And..
When Amy Grant and Michael W. Smith came on board..it was like, WOW! Christian music that didn't come off "churchy," but had the same passion for the Lord!
I listen to Kdove.us...and KLove.com. They have me rockin' with the Lord, praising him while singing along.
I don't run for cover in stores that play secular music...but many times the satan has used it to bring back horrible flashbacks from my past. I thank God, I can be refreshed with his word in my ears when I reach the car radio...or CD player.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 3:45:10 PM
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Same thread, different day.
Hey, here's an idea.: don't listen to secular music...and don't eat secular food, do not live in a secularean-built house, no secular radio, tv, news nor entertainment of ANY kind, don't wear secular-made clothes, etc...and by all means, avoid contact with all secular people.
'Cause THAT'S what Jesus would have done... 
Your attempt to make a joke was successful.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 4:07:15 PM
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i think if you are convicted by the holy spirit to turn away from secular music then you should pay attention to that. i was convicted of this same thing so i do not listen to it. nor do i like it anymore. the words are very wicked and speak out against anything the loed has written in his word for us.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 4:14:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: tafkam
And some Scripture to prove your point would be found.....
And you didn't think I would get any... did you. Will you consider it?
Ephesians 5:18-21
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Now, Paul's directive is in response to an alternative to becoming drunk on booze--but it is good advice nonetheless, and linked with "being filled with the Spirit." Paul specifically said psalms, hymmns, and spiritual songs... and that's because that is what glorifies God--"Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."
Well, the way that I always understood the verse was that to be filled with the Spirit will cause us to be under the influence of the Spirit, just like being filled with the wine will cause us to be under it's influence. The natural result of being filled with the Spirit is speaking to each other in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, which in turn will cause a deeper awareness of His presence and will. It's like a symbiotic relationship, and results in submission to His will, rather than living by our own strength. I guess this is the point that you are trying to make?
The reference to being drunk with wine, in which is dissipation (as the nkjv puts it) means that we are put under it's influence, and it's influence is on our flesh. Being filled with the Spirit is a result of submitting to His will, rather than the will of our flesh. It leads to greater awareness of Him and His will, so that we can obey with the help of the fruit that He produces (peace and love in particular)
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Unfortunately, not all Christian music is good, and not all secular music is bad. You say you find me in error, I find you to be spiritually throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I would recommend only listening to good Christian music.
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God can and will use whatever He chooses to accomplish His purposes. And He can in fact use secular music (I know He has in my own life, and I'm sure many others will agree...)
The Lord is merciful, and He does work in mysterious ways.
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RE: christian music vs. secular music - 10/24/2008 4:25:46 PM
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The music I listen to does have a will and a mind because it is a direct expression of such--the will and mind of those who are singing/playing the music.
The listener is one who can excercise their will too. Music has no power to take you over unless you let it. I can watch a police murder mystery and have no desire to kill anyone. I can listen to a song about anything and it still doesn't influence my values.
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I'd rather listen to heartfelt, honest, sincere Christian music than heartfelt, honest, sincere secular music any day.
Good for you and I respect your choice! Now please show some respect to ours! No one here will tell you to give up the music you choose to listen to. But I take exception to the insinuation that people are "less Christian" if they listen to secular music!
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