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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 5:37:21 PM
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leonfigg3
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In the end, GOD will indeed have the final word.
Miracles are already happening since this is the first time I find myself in angreement with Evangel 70 about.
However, having said that, I think the real test will come after the election. After the election Tuesday, is this country going to come together briefly to celebrate the fact that we survived another election, like we came together briefly after 9/11?
On Wednesday, are we still going to be friendly towards each other and willing to discuss matters, or are we going to return to being at each other's throats economically, politically, and even racially about one issue or another?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 5:56:09 PM
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The polls have vareying results some polls have a very small margin between the candidates and others have Obama with a big lead. The Obama campaign has done a good job in presenting one set of polls through the media and suppressing the others.
The information given out has been distorted to favor Obama for the purpose of discouraging the Mccain supporters.
Bush was behind in the polls too and ended up winning the election in his first campaign.
All the nations of the Earth belong to the Lord, and he puts in charge who ever he pleases. In the United States we have gotten the strange idea that man orders his own steps nothing could be further from the truth.
Mark my words the final choice is in the hands of God. We Christians need to fast and pray and seek the one with true authority to whom we access through the blood of the lamb.
This is like the days of Easter. When the Jews were threatened with extermination they fasted and prayed and God delivered them.
For some reason saints have forgotten the power of our God.
Obama is not almighty, but the Lord is.
Let us who are called by the name of the Lord humble ourselves and pray and turn from our wicked ways, so that our God can heal our land.
I can not speak for anyone else reading this message, but I do believe that Christ still does that which seems impossible.
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i personally will be shocked if mcain wins. it would be the shockeroo of the year. this is going to be an exciting end of campaign.
then we can all settle down and go back to fighitng about Calvinism, Arminianism, atheists, and other assorted topics.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 5:58:13 PM
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Dubya
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In all seriousness, I doubt that God would bless the very man who mocked HIS son by attributing the title of messiah and "The One" to Obama. John McCain and Sarah Palin will have to answer to God as to how they represented "Christianity" to the world in this campaign. And before the righties have a meltdown....the same would apply to Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
In the end, GOD will indeed have the final word.
Evangel, thank you.. i have voiced my concern over people here agreeing to call someone a name only reserved for Jesus Christ. they were tyring to be sarcastic, but i still think it is very offensive and blasphemous and there is no excuse for it. not even sarcasm.
In general, I agree with you IMA... but it was Obama supporters who called him "The One" - Oprah Winfrey; "The Messiah" - Louis Farrakhan; "A gift from God" - Nancy Pelosi. If you detect a tone of mocking from McCain supporters it is well deserved.
By the way, you might want to brush up on the Old Testament - David was Messiah, Solomon was Messiah, Rehoboam was Messiah, etc. Messiah means "annoited one" or "chosen one".
What is really offensive is someone not fully acquainted with the Bible trying to use it to accuse others of "blasphemy".
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 6:10:20 PM
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Here's the miracle: some people are so self-deluded that they think a vote for McCain is a vote for conservatism, or that a vote for Obama is a vote for change.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 6:30:19 PM
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By the way, you might want to brush up on the Old Testament - David was Messiah, Solomon was Messiah, Rehoboam was Messiah, etc. Messiah means "annoited one" or "chosen one".
What is really offensive is someone not fully acquainted with the Bible trying to use it to accuse others of "blasphemy".
Perhaps we're reading different bibles. MY bible doesn't have anyone referring to David as the messiah or Solomon as the messiah.
McCain went out of his way to infer the Obama was some sort of messiah figure in one of his early attack ads. If he were truly a Christian would he resort to mocking the Christian faith simply to win an election? I'm not calling him a blasphemer. The WORD OF GOD is.
"If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels." Mark 8:38
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 6:33:44 PM
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Mmm. I would say there's a difference between saying that someone is "some sort of messiah figure" and actually calling someone "the Messiah".
"some sort of messiah figure" happens in literature all the time.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 6:37:31 PM
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If McCain wins, I wouldn't call it a miracle. Given how biased the media has been and how skewed some of the polling data is, it's difficult to determine exactly what the majority of Americans want/think/how they'll vote. And that's why we won't really know until next Tuesday (hopefully!).
What we do know is what Laura wisely posted:
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Regardless of who wins it is a sovereign act of God. God raises up leaders and removes leaders. And regardless of who's elected it is God who is in control.
Proverbs 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 7:06:22 PM
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Dubya
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By the way, you might want to brush up on the Old Testament - David was Messiah, Solomon was Messiah, Rehoboam was Messiah, etc. Messiah means "annoited one" or "chosen one".
What is really offensive is someone not fully acquainted with the Bible trying to use it to accuse others of "blasphemy".
Perhaps we're reading different bibles. MY bible doesn't have anyone referring to David as the messiah or Solomon as the messiah.
Try Hebrew... the original language of the OT.
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McCain went out of his way to infer the Obama was some sort of messiah figure in one of his early attack ads. If he were truly a Christian would he resort to mocking the Christian faith simply to win an election? I'm not calling him a blasphemer. The WORD OF GOD is.
This had been debated at length in another thread... Obama and his supporters had adopted this before he was even nominated... long before McCain was the Republican nominee.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 7:12:55 PM
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I tell ya, if mccain wins, will it be a miracle from God, or are the polls, newspapers, etc... just slanted toward obama?
Again, not picking on Mccain, or using wishful thinking/whatever,,, but even you mccain supporters, please tell me can mccain still win with all the gllom and doom that we see in the news about him?
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or are the polls, newspapers, etc... just slanted toward obama?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 7:31:20 PM
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In general, I agree with you IMA... but it was Obama supporters who called him "The One" - Oprah Winfrey; "The Messiah" - Louis Farrakhan; "A gift from God" - Nancy Pelosi. If you detect a tone of mocking from McCain supporters it is well deserved.
By the way, you might want to brush up on the Old Testament - David was Messiah, Solomon was Messiah, Rehoboam was Messiah, etc. Messiah means "annoited one" or "chosen one".
What is really offensive is someone not fully acquainted with the Bible trying to use it to accuse others of "blasphemy".
interesting - thank you. I appreciate the definitions you provided - I learned something new.
That said, I do have the right to categorize certain words as possibly blasphemous. Blasphemy is taking the things that belong to the Lord and cheapening them and/or attributing the attributes that belong to God only, and give them to someone not deserving, to any man or woman. The name of the Lord is so holy that we should not even in jest agree with the sinners/world the names that belong only to our Lord. That is how I see it. You can choose to agree or disagree with me.. but i truly believe that it is blasphemy.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 7:52:47 PM
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In general, I agree with you IMA... but it was Obama supporters who called him "The One" - Oprah Winfrey; "The Messiah" - Louis Farrakhan; "A gift from God" - Nancy Pelosi. If you detect a tone of mocking from McCain supporters it is well deserved.
By the way, you might want to brush up on the Old Testament - David was Messiah, Solomon was Messiah, Rehoboam was Messiah, etc. Messiah means "annoited one" or "chosen one".
What is really offensive is someone not fully acquainted with the Bible trying to use it to accuse others of "blasphemy".
interesting - thank you. I appreciate the definitions you provided - I learned something new.
That said, I do have the right to categorize certain words as possibly blasphemous. Blasphemy is taking the things that belong to the Lord and cheapening them and/or attributing the attributes that belong to God only, and give them to someone not deserving, to any man or woman. The name of the Lord is so holy that we should not even in jest agree with the sinners/world the names that belong only to our Lord. That is how I see it. You can choose to agree or disagree with me.. but i truly believe that it is blasphemy.
Then take it up with the Democrat supporters of Barak Obama. That was where the use of the term you find so offensive originated. But of course they were only joking... so that is probably excusable in your mind. Whereas we were actually mocking Obama and his suporters for their words and actions.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 7:56:00 PM
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Then take it up with the Democrat supporters of Barak Obama. That was where the use of the term you find so offensive originated. But of course they were only joking... so that is probably excusable in your mind. Whereas we were actually mocking Obama and his suporters for their words and actions.
Thank you and i dont have to even go that far.. folks are using that term here in this forum!
No, it is not ok for it to come out of anyone's mouth... this is a non-partisan issue, it is an issue with my religious beliefs and my respect for God. so no, it is NOT ok to joke, no matter who it comes from or what label you slap on them. and its not ok with me to justify yourself and say "oh we did it in this or that situation" no.. if you are joking then i hold you responsible for YOUR own actions.
remember, what i said on another thread... PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!! :)
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 8:55:19 PM
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Here is what I see, kind of strange. I cannot see Obama winning, not in my minds eye, but reality is another thing. I cannot see John McCain and Sarah Palin just fading away either.
What do you think, that they will jump into Barack's trunk as he drives up Pennsylvania Av.?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 9:07:16 PM
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Wow. If you were calling the election this early I was going to have to ask who did the counting? ...ACORN?
I predict it's going to be much closer than you think and it maybe well into Wednesday before results are final. God's in control of it all -- I'm praying His blessing fall on the McCain/Palin ticket, though.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 10:11:06 PM
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IMA, the polls are within their margins of error
Not in enough states that McCain needs to win - he's trailing outside the averaged margin-of-error in VA, PA, OH, IA, MN, WI, MI, NM, NV, NH, and CO.
The only key swing states where McCain and Obama are statistically deadlocked are FL, NC, and IN.
I suspect we'll know early whether it will be an early or late Election Night.
If Obama takes OH, PA, and VA, McCain's back will be against the wall right away. But if Obama takes FL too (although I suspect he won't), that's it.
McCain's done.
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When folks are in the privacy of the voting booth, their better senses will win out, they won't have to lie to the pollsters and others so as not to look racist, and will vote for the future of the good ole USA. That vote will be for McCain.
Here's the problem with that theory - in several swing states, the percentage of remaining undecideds is less than the margin by which McCain trails Obama.
So even if every single one of those undecided voters went for McCain (which is almost impossible), he would still lag behind Obama in the final state tally.
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I think it is possible that McCain will win, and I will credit it as a miracle if it happens!
There's nothing supernatural about an election.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/30/2008 10:24:45 PM
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The Dems have to show up in VASTLY larger numbers than in 2004 for any of these polls to be reflecting reality. And a lot of Repubs have to stay home.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 1:04:58 AM
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An Obama win seems to rely on everyone that Acorn, and other similar groups got registered, actually turn out to vote, provided of course that their registraaton is valid. However, there is also the notion going around that Obama is practically sure of of winning which may cause many of these same registered voters to stay home, thus insuring his defeat.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 1:15:00 AM
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The fact that a man with dark skin and a middle eastern name is way ahead of a war veteran, all American billionaire that has tons of experience might lead some to conclude that the miracle is already happening.
Seriously, just beating the Clinton machine was amazing.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 1:39:31 AM
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The fact that a man with dark skin and a middle eastern name is way ahead of a war veteran, all American billionaire that has tons of experience might lead some to conclude that the miracle is already happening.
Seriously, just beating the Clinton machine was amazing.
Not really considering who he had on his side-most of the Democratic Party that was looking for a reason to separate themselves from the Clinton legasy.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 9:12:52 AM
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The fact that a man with dark skin and a middle eastern name is way ahead of a war veteran, all American billionaire that has tons of experience might lead some to conclude that the miracle is already happening.
Seriously, just beating the Clinton machine was amazing.
Not really considering who he had on his side-most of the Democratic Party that was looking for a reason to separate themselves from the Clinton legasy.
It was the very left wing of the party that wanted to wrest control away from the Clinton's who they thought were too conservative.
They won.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:00:14 PM
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IMA, the polls are within their margins of error
Not in enough states that McCain needs to win - he's trailing outside the averaged margin-of-error in VA, PA, OH, IA, MN, WI, MI, NM, NV, NH, and CO.
The only key swing states where McCain and Obama are statistically deadlocked are FL, NC, and IN.
I suspect we'll know early whether it will be an early or late Election Night.
If Obama takes OH, PA, and VA, McCain's back will be against the wall right away. But if Obama takes FL too (although I suspect he won't), that's it.
McCain's done.
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When folks are in the privacy of the voting booth, their better senses will win out, they won't have to lie to the pollsters and others so as not to look racist, and will vote for the future of the good ole USA. That vote will be for McCain.
Here's the problem with that theory - in several swing states, the percentage of remaining undecideds is less than the margin by which McCain trails Obama.
So even if every single one of those undecided voters went for McCain (which is almost impossible), he would still lag behind Obama in the final state tally.
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I think it is possible that McCain will win, and I will credit it as a miracle if it happens!
There's nothing supernatural about an election.
If Obama takes any one of the following, it's over:
Ohio
Florida
Virginia
North Carolina
Indiana
Missouri
Rassmussen (which has had the best track record in recent Presidential elections) has Obama pretty well ahead in states which add up to 260 electoral votes. The list above includes "Undecided" and "Leans Dem" that have at least 10 electoral votes, enough to bring Obama to 270. The Undecided are, of course inside margin of error. The Leans Dem are showing a 5% lead by Obama, which is, IMHO, still within reach.
So McCain would have to win all those states, which seems unlikely. And, he has his own list of "Leans Rep" that have to be won.
I just don't see it happening. Obama, unlike Kerry and Gore (and McCain) appears to have more impassioned supporters and turnout is not going to be a problem.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:07:51 PM
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One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:36:02 PM
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One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
Though I support the idea of electoral votes, I think it is something that needs to be looked at because I believe that it seems to have become one of the checks and balances in our electoral system that has gotten out of hand. It has become a joke and a means for politicians and political parties to play the game of politics and circumvent the actual will of the voting publc.
Mind you, I do not believe it has let us down yet, but the danger is becoming more and more clear with each general election.
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