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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:41:01 PM
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stamper_ben
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One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
Though I support the idea of electoral votes, I think it is something that needs to be looked at because I believe that it seems to have become one of the checks and balances in our electoral system that has gotten out of hand. It has become a joke and a means for politicians and political parties to play the game of politics and circumvent the actual will of the voting publc.
Mind you, I do not believe it has let us down yet, but the danger is becoming more and more clear with each general election.
I do know that by the time the primaries got down here to Texas it was all over and we didn't get a real say in the fact that McCain was gonna be the GOP candidate. Why is it that a tiny state with a total population less than our largest county had more to do with choosing the candidate?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:41:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: IMA_CHRISTIAN
One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
The United States of America is a republic made up of 50 states. Each state has a number of electoral votes to match the number of congressional representatives based on the state's population. Each state, as a whole, casts their collective vote for the election of the president. Therefore, more populous states have more electoral votes (more say).
If the election was done solely based on the National popular vote, California and New York would always decide the outcome of an election. If every state had the same number of electoral votes, then a block of low population states could always decide the outcome.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:42:28 PM
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One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
The United States of America is a republic made up of 50 states. Each state has a number of electoral votes to match the number of congressional representatives based on the state's population. Each state, as a whole, casts their collective vote for the election of the president. Therefore, more populous states have more electoral votes (more say).
If the election was done solely based on the National popular vote, California and New York would always decide the outcome of an election. If every state had the same number of electoral votes, then a block of low population states could always decide the outcome.
then why do we vote if our vote does not count but only the electorals???
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:47:06 PM
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laura...
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If Obama takes any one of the following, it's over:
Ohio
Florida
Virginia
North Carolina
Indiana
Missouri
Rassmussen (which has had the best track record in recent Presidential elections) has Obama pretty well ahead in states which add up to 260 electoral votes. The list above includes "Undecided" and "Leans Dem" that have at least 10 electoral votes, enough to bring Obama to 270. The Undecided are, of course inside margin of error. The Leans Dem are showing a 5% lead by Obama, which is, IMHO, still within reach.
So McCain would have to win all those states, which seems unlikely. And, he has his own list of "Leans Rep" that have to be won.
I just don't see it happening. Obama, unlike Kerry and Gore (and McCain) appears to have more impassioned supporters and turnout is not going to be a problem.
Living in Ohio I would predict that Ohio will go with Obama. It went to Clinton easily. The last 2 elections with Ohio going to Bush were highly contested and McCain isn't nearly as popular as Bush was. Perhaps the Republicans would have had a better shot at Ohio this year if their candidate hadn't already been decided before Ohio had their primaries.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 2:50:13 PM
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One question -
is the state of Arizona a pink state on the map (less leaning mccain)... or is this just MSNBC propaganda?
also whomever wins the most electoral votes wins, in that state.. this is really goin to sound dumb but,,, why do our votes have to do with the electoral votes,,, and who makes these electoral votes, and if the electoral votes are people other than the voters, then why do we vote??
The United States of America is a republic made up of 50 states. Each state has a number of electoral votes to match the number of congressional representatives based on the state's population. Each state, as a whole, casts their collective vote for the election of the president. Therefore, more populous states have more electoral votes (more say).
If the election was done solely based on the National popular vote, California and New York would always decide the outcome of an election. If every state had the same number of electoral votes, then a block of low population states could always decide the outcome.
then why do we vote if our vote does not count but only the electorals???
Your and my votes determine who our states' electoral votes go to. I live in Ohio. Whichever candidate wins the popular vote in Ohio gets Ohio's electoral votes.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:02:36 PM
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then why do we vote if our vote does not count but only the electorals???
IMA-Christian, and Stamper ben,
(Never thought I would ever be addressing the both of you in the same post)
The answer, I believe, is that we Americans need to start looking at all elections being as important as the general elections.
A better question may be why don't more Americans vote in primaries and whenever they get the chance?
More and more , it seems that the elections that many Americans do not see as important as the general election are the elections that really matter in the general election. Politicans have discovered this flaw in the process. The average American needs to recognize it as well.
Our right to vote does not exist solely in regard to who we choose as president, we need to vote whenever the opportunity presents itself so that "We the People" maintain the ideal that the government exists for us and not a select few in charge of some political party or ideology. "We" decide who repesents "US" best, and who is best qualified to make decisions, for us and our best interests, that we are not able to as a people n a timely manner.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:09:36 PM
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you know speaking of the Electoral college What I think is instersting is that you only need to win the right 11 states to get the 270 electoral votes needed.
If anyone can win CA, TX, NY, FL,PA, IL, OH, NJ, NC, MI, GA giving a person 271 votes.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:15:29 PM
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The answer, I believe, is that we Americans need to start looking at all elections being as important as the general elections. I agree 1000% Leon. I've always said the primaries are even more important than the general election.
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A better question may be why don't more Americans vote in primaries and whenever they get the chance? Because they are led to believe that it is the general election every four years that is the only one that counts. That mindset needs to change.
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More and more , it seems that the elections that many Americans do not see as important as the general election are the elections that really matter in the general election. Politicans have discovered this flaw in the process. The average American needs to recognize it as well. I agree.
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Our right to vote does not exist solely in regard to who we choose as president, we need to vote whenever the opportunity presents itself so that "We the People" maintain the ideal that the government exists for us and not a select few in charge of some political party or ideology. "We" decide who repesents "US" best, and who is best qualified to make decisions, for us and our best interests, that we are not able to as a people n a timely manner. The change we look for, long for (myself anyway) is going to have to happen locally and then evolve outward to the national level. To ignore the local politician is suicide for change. True change anyway.
My gripe is on how the presidential primary process is done. It is stretched out over too long a time IMO. The media focus is on the early states until a front runner is seen, then all the attention goes to that person. I don't like it.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:24:35 PM
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My gripe is on how the presidential primary process is done. It is stretched out over too long a time IMO. The media focus is on the early states until a front runner is seen, then all the attention goes to that person. I don't like it.
Mine too. By the time Ohio had their primaries my vote meant nothing since all the viable republican candidates other than McCain had dropped out of the race. I should have done what half the republicans in Ohio did...switch parties and vote in the democratic primary.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:29:12 PM
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does anyone know the numbers in Arizona... where mccain is from.
according to that map they do on the news, it has turned to a pink state ... not a red.. (less leaning mccain).
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:34:55 PM
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That said, I do have the right to categorize certain words as possibly blasphemous.
Yes, but that doesn't make your calls of what is blasphemous have any merit...
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Blasphemy is taking the things that belong to the Lord and cheapening them and/or attributing the attributes that belong to God only, and give them to someone not deserving, to any man or woman. The name of the Lord is so holy that we should not even in jest agree with the sinners/world the names that belong only to our Lord. That is how I see it. You can choose to agree or disagree with me.. but i truly believe that it is blasphemy.
So when man says he's a believer in Christ and does evil things routinely that is blasphemy in your view, yes?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:35:17 PM
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stamper_ben
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We will know the numbers in all the states on Tuesday night.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:42:35 PM
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That said, I do have the right to categorize certain words as possibly blasphemous.
Yes, but that doesn't make your calls of what is blasphemous have any merit...
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Blasphemy is taking the things that belong to the Lord and cheapening them and/or attributing the attributes that belong to God only, and give them to someone not deserving, to any man or woman. The name of the Lord is so holy that we should not even in jest agree with the sinners/world the names that belong only to our Lord. That is how I see it. You can choose to agree or disagree with me.. but i truly believe that it is blasphemy.
So when man says he's a believer in Christ and does evil things routinely that is blasphemy in your view, yes?
the definition of blasphemy is taking what belongs to God (names and adjectives) and cheapens them ... could be accomplished by giving the names God deserves to a man, and/or joking about God..
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 3:43:39 PM
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So when man says he's a believer in Christ and does evil things routinely that is blasphemy in your view, yes?
that would be called SIN.
BLASPHEMY IS WORDS
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 7:07:58 PM
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So, what has been stopping us?
Maybe it is our blind trust in the media to do much of our thinking for us.
To some extent we must trust them, but we also need todemand they do a far better and more unbiased reporting of the issues, and the news. Twenty-four hour news needs to be more of a place where we get as much information and news as possible rather than the same thing again, and again, and again.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 7:22:25 PM
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So, what has been stopping us?
Maybe it is our blind trust in the media to do much of our thinking for us.
To some extent we must trust them, but we also need todemand they do a far better and more unbiased reporting of the issues, and the news. Twenty-four hour news needs to be more of a place where we get as much information and news as possible rather than the same thing again, and again, and again.
I think the very low ratings of the news broadcasts of the 3 major networks is a subtle message. Also, the very low circulation and readership of papers such as the NY Times, Washington Post, etc also help make that point. (although part of the blame may rest with the teachers' unions and the public schools system being unable to teach children how to read)
Talk radio has also helped balance things out somewhat but Obama and the Dem COngress will soon put an end to that.
I think we need to stop worrying about our 2 party system and worry about the One party system The One will soon provide us with. (sorry I couldn't help that).
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 8:06:43 PM
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I think we need to stop worrying about our 2 party system and worry about the One party system The One will soon provide us with. (sorry I couldn't help that).
That harkens back to George Washington's warning about the dangers political parties back in his Farewel Address in the late 1700s.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 8:20:21 PM
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I think we need to stop worrying about our 2 party system and worry about the One party system The One will soon provide us with. (sorry I couldn't help that).
That harkens back to George Washington's warning about the dangers political parties back in his Farewel Address in the late 1700s.
Yup. They do tend to be rascally little devils.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 10/31/2008 8:47:50 PM
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To me, the only miracles linked to a McCain victory would be:
1) that he pulled it off with a running mate who appears to be all but unqualified; and
2) that any Republican could possibly have thought that by choosing Gov. Palin, they stood a realistic shot of stealing even one Democratic woman's vote. Who thought up that idea?? 
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/1/2008 10:16:54 AM
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Hi - its Saturday morning - big miracle - MSNBC played at 9:00 central time, Mccain's speech in Virginia today.
anyway, i listened to him and mccain was actually positive and i really enjoyed him actually.. He actually told what he is going to do.. well he was fine except in the middle he went back to his picking on obama and getting negative and my stomach churned,, thats what i hate -- negative campaigning - a real turn off.
then he got back to the postive and it was better. Thats my biggest gripe of mccain - all the negativity, i want to hear positives.
well it made me feel a bit better IF mccain would win, about what he is going to do.. this is the first time he has made such a speech.
but msnbc played his whole speech, kudos for msnbc.
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