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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 7:36:52 PM
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IMA_CHRISTIAN
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Peter Gunn - yes, your posts totally let me know that your loving mccain!
now, since im apparently influenced by MSNBC ,,,and they have already gave the polls (which includes Zogbys - one that mccain said he would have confidence in)... can you tell me how the numbers are running - are they for or against mccain?
if msnbc is correct, then the way it looks, if mccain wins, it will be a miracle. or else people have lied re the polls they answered.
Well, duh! Of course I'm for McCain! I'm still not clear on what that has to do with the topic of this thread. I think some people just go around looking for a fight, no matter what the subject matter.
Again, and I'll try to use little words...according to one online dictionary, a "miracle" is "a marvellous event manifesting (which means showing) a supernatural (which means not of this world) act of a divine (godlike) agent (representative)".
Still sounding partisan?
Anything God does = miracle
God intervenes = miracle
God intervenes by putting ALL leaders in place = miracle
McCain wins = miracle
Obama wins = miracle
Barr wins = miracle
Nadar wins = miracle
Other ones whose names I don't remember win = miracle
A liberal understanding this concept = miracle
thats coz you claimed you are nonpartisan back there and got insenced when someone accused you of it.. thats why i said what is so obvious around here.. but your not the only one.. I forgive you. May the Lord help you get thru your love for mccain. ;)
by the way, i was watching the numbers, they are pretty close 43% vs 44% type numbers.. i cant figure out what this poll was, but it was interesting,, the candidates are off by only 1 or 3 points. that suggests that these polls that showed one candidate vs another off or up by 9 points ,, might not be realistic.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 9:50:20 PM
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Hmmm today they are saying that mccain could have a chance to win tuesday despite the polls because of the electoral states that are a toss up. i guess these are the states that are not strongly mccain nor obama.
so it could happen.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 9:56:48 PM
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God's choice will prevail on Tuesday, regardless of whether His choice is the same as yours or mine.
Kinda defeats the purpose of an election, doesn't it? Further, there is nothing miraculous or divine about politics.
Just like in the Bible, huh?
Oh, that's right...we don't like that book.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 9:58:21 PM
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God's choice will prevail on Tuesday, regardless of whether His choice is the same as yours or mine.
Kinda defeats the purpose of an election, doesn't it? Further, there is nothing miraculous or divine about politics.
Just like in the Bible, huh?
Oh, that's right...we don't like that book.
I dont know about you, but I love the Word of God and believe in it 100%. Just read some of my posts that tell you that its up to God who will decide who will win. (per the book of Daniel where God says he puts kings up and takes them down). God is soverieign.. I will never deny that,, nor have I.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 10:01:43 PM
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God's choice will prevail on Tuesday, regardless of whether His choice is the same as yours or mine.
Kinda defeats the purpose of an election, doesn't it? Further, there is nothing miraculous or divine about politics.
Just like in the Bible, huh?
Oh, that's right...we don't like that book.
I dont know about you, but I love the Word of God and believe in it 100%. Just read some of my posts that tell you that its up to God who will decide who will win. (per the book of Daniel where God says he puts kings up and takes them down). God is soverieign.. I will never deny that,, nor have I.
Careful, there...you're contradicting the folks on your side. 
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/2/2008 10:50:17 PM
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Careful, there...you're contradicting the folks on your side.
hey Im on the side of Jesus Christ!
by the way,, if Obama gets in office, and if he comes by in a cart, and I hear the music and they tell me to bow when I hear the music,
and if the staff of Obama comes by and makes us all line up, and we have to take some incense and put it in a dish, and have to say "obama is lord"...
then I must ... and will ................... REFUSE!
I will never ever call him those names that some of ya'll sarcastically make fun of. (maybe not you Peter Gunn, but whomever is doing that blasphemous thing)
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 2:49:33 AM
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IMA,
We aren't blaspheming when we call Barack "messiah". The word simply means "anointed one", or "chosen one". This isn't a title that can ONLY be attributed to Jesus, just like "king", "lord", "master", "ruler" etc., are all terms that can be applied to any human who happens to be such. We are only poking fun at those who are elevating a mere MAN to a status he doesn't occupy. It is our little way of pointing out how silly some folks are with their devotion to a MAN. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I love the Lord my God and recognize Jesus as the "capital M" Messiah.
Does that make sense?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 6:53:49 AM
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IMA,
We aren't blaspheming when we call Barack "messiah". The word simply means "anointed one", or "chosen one". This isn't a title that can ONLY be attributed to Jesus, just like "king", "lord", "master", "ruler" etc., are all terms that can be applied to any human who happens to be such. We are only poking fun at those who are elevating a mere MAN to a status he doesn't occupy. It is our little way of pointing out how silly some folks are with their devotion to a MAN. I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I love the Lord my God and recognize Jesus as the "capital M" Messiah.
Does that make sense?
hi - I understand that others have said that you are poking fun at the peopel who use that. However, well maybe its just me ... have you all prayed about this and asked the LORD if that is a title that He is ok with you all using even in jest? check out the following verse -
Ephesians 5:4
"Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks"
What happened in the Old Tetament when people made light of God's holy name? remember that true story when those men were walking & bringing in the Ark of the Covenent, and the men tripped and other men who were not allowed to carry it started to right it, and they got struck down dead? Because they were not allowed to touch it, only the priests.
the things of God are holy holy holy and reserved ONLY for Him.. Its called honoring God.
I suppose calling a mere sinful man a messiah - even in joking - is akin to making a comedy sketch out of the crucifixion of Jesus and having a good laugh at the skit. you may say "hey its only a comedy skit" but i would not think it is very funny and is also disrespectful to our Savior who went thru much pain, and shame, and bore the wrath of God on Himself. therefore, i woudl not even make fun of that even if you call it a "comedy sketch"
have you heard of any of the major preachers use such "sarcasm" or "comedy" in thier sermons? i dont think they do. I know Paul Washer or John McArthur or James (the one that just died - i cant think of his name).. I think they reverence the name and attributes of God and do not dare make jest at it, even in sarcasm to make a point.
actually i did hear a similar sermon - you know the world hates Jesus. the world is who put the nails in Jesus hand. To agree with the world you would also love the nails put into Jesus hand to cause him pain, you would also love the crown of thorns they squished into his precious forehead.. you would also be laughing along with the world when they made fun of Him on the cross. no, i dare not agree with the world on things that take away the holiness and reverance of our Lord Jesus.
i also dont make cute Jesus jokes, nor do i say "hey jesus is my home boy" I think we have lost much of the reverance for the holy things of God nowadays. And it is important enough for me to say it. it offends me. remember some jokes are not funny, i.e. fat jokes aimed at a fat person. again, has anyone asked the Lord if He thought these things are funny?
I think God is sensitive to how we use these things.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 10:49:39 AM
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IMA,
Again, "messiah" is just a normal word. It is Hebrew for "chosen one" or a title for a person "anointed for a purpose". Think of it this way: Jesus was often called "teacher", but that doesn't disqualify the title "teacher" from ever again being used by mankind.
Now, if Christians began making fun of 0bama by calling him "Yahweh" or "I AM"; i.e. a personal name of God, that may be a different story. But simply making a joke because a politician thinks they are the chosen one is by no means "filthy" or "coarse".
Also, you do know that Jesus was the master of sarcasm and also a pretty funny comedian, right? I've never heard Paul Washer, but I have lsitened to John MacArthur for over a decade and he uses a lot of sarcasm and jokes around quite frequently.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 10:55:05 AM
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IMA,
Again, "messiah" is just a normal word. It is Hebrew for "chosen one" or a title for a person "anointed for a purpose". Think of it this way: Jesus was often called "teacher", but that doesn't disqualify the title "teacher" from ever again being used by mankind.
Now, if Christians began making fun of 0bama by calling him "Yahweh" or "I AM"; i.e. a personal name of God, that may be a different story. But simply making a joke because a politician thinks they are the chosen one is by no means "filthy" or "coarse".
Also, you do know that Jesus was the master of sarcasm and also a pretty funny comedian, right? I've never heard Paul Washer, but I have lsitened to John MacArthur for over a decade and he uses a lot of sarcasm and jokes around quite frequently.
Manimal.. sorry i have a different view of God.. i dont think he is worthy of comedy, sarcasm, etc. i would not even call him a comedian.
can you tell me where the gospels paint jesus in the light you have explained to me please?
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 11:10:48 AM
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IMA,
I would respectfully assert that you don't have a full picture of God then! Jesus wasn't just some stern, dour, serious sourpuss! He was fully man as well as fully God and full of humor and good cheer! He made man in His image, and part of that image is a sense of humor!
I am at work, so I can't dedicate the time to put together an entire essay, but here is one off the top of my head:
In Mt 19.24; Mk 10.25; Lk 18.25, Jesus makes His "straining out a gnat to swallow a camel" statement. I think this is hilarious, because what Jesus did was to use the words "gnat" and "camel", which sound very very similar in Aramaic, to poke fun of the way the Pharisees followed the Levitical prescription to strain unclean gnats out of the wine but swallowed an even bigger unclean Levitical animal, the camel.
Maybe others could bring up some examples of Jesus' sarcasm, irony, and satire while I am at work today.
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RE: Next Tuesday - could there be a miracle? - 11/3/2008 11:18:48 AM
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IMA,
I would respectfully assert that you don't have a full picture of God then! Jesus wasn't just some stern, dour, serious sourpuss! He was fully man as well as fully God and full of humor and good cheer! He made man in His image, and part of that image is a sense of humor!
I am at work, so I can't dedicate the time to put together an entire essay, but here is one off the top of my head:
In Mt 19.24; Mk 10.25; Lk 18.25, Jesus makes His "straining out a gnat to swallow a camel" statement. I think this is hilarious, because what Jesus did was to use the words "gnat" and "camel", which sound very very similar in Aramaic, to poke fun of the way the Pharisees followed the Levitical prescription to strain unclean gnats out of the wine but swallowed an even bigger unclean Levitical animal, the camel.
Maybe others could bring up some examples of Jesus' sarcasm, irony, and satire while I am at work today.
I'd like to hear more if you can think of some.. I just cant compare Jesus to DAvid letterman, dane cook, etc... thats making Jesus too disrespected. but if you have some more, lets hear em. if you want to spend time to do so. thank you.
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