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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 2:24:26 PM
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Since no one answered, perhaps because of my poor spelling, I think that we sell the gifts short. We tend only to look at the gifts listed in Paul's writings or at the gifts (or "gifts") that are public, in our faces, loud, rambunctious, public, persuasive. But there are certainly more gifts than these.
I believe that there are gifts of the H Spirit already at work in those whom He has called before they answer the call and that the H Spirit will expand and use to these gifts to glory of G-d after they becme believers. (I also understand that there are gifts of the human spirit that look like those gifts.) Further, I think we limit the H Spirit, His work, and when He has worked, with regard to the gifts of the H Spirit and His other works.
The H Spirit came upon 70 elders, and they prophesied -- in the early Scriptures, something that many don't know and/or deny:
Num 11:25 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed {Him} upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied.
The H Spirit came upon Joshua, and he led Israel:
Num 17:18 So the LORD said to Moses, "Take Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him;
Deut 34:9 Now Joshua the son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom
The H Spirit came upon persons who could sew and embroider:
Ex 28:3 "You shall speak to all the skillful persons whom I have endowed with the spirit of wisdom, that they make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister as priest to Me."
The H Spirit came upon persons who could build and make instruments for the Tabernacle:
Ex 31:3 "I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all {kinds of} craftsmanship
Ex 35:31 "And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship;
I think that our selling the H Spirit short in the gifts is the main cause of people thinking that those who sing, write music and songs, and teach should do it for nothing, because they are using a gift of the H Spirit, but the gifts of the H Spirit are many and the workman is worthy of his/her due pay.
Happens to agree with you.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 2:25:45 PM
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I justa don't see how the Spirit can give gifts to non spirited filled folks. Light has no association with darkness...
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 2:32:50 PM
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Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts?
1 Corinthians 2:14
14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The things of the Spirit include the gifts of the Holy Spirit so my answer to the OP would be "No". The gifts of the Holy Spirit cannot be given to those who don't possess the Holy Spirit. However, the gifts of the Holy Spirit can be immitated by demonic influences.
1 John 4:1
Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 3:32:15 PM
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no  but I still respect you.
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Okay. So I will ask something. Is embroiderying a gift of the spirit? Is carpentry? The gift you are actually describing here, is not the end result of said gift, but rather the ABILITY AND SKILL to do so.
Before you answer yes or no, check the Bible. Neither of these are listed in the two major "gifts" chapters, but check what the rest of the Bible says.  
Since no one answered, perhaps because of my poor spelling, I think that we sell the gifts short. We tend only to look at the gifts listed in Paul's writings or at the gifts (or "gifts") that are public, in our faces, loud, rambunctious, public, persuasive. But there are certainly more gifts than these.
I believe that there are gifts of the H Spirit already at work in those whom He has called before they answer the call and that the H Spirit will expand and use to these gifts to glory of G-d after they becme believers. (I also understand that there are gifts of the human spirit that look like those gifts.) Further, I think we limit the H Spirit, His work, and when He has worked, with regard to the gifts of the H Spirit and His other works.
The H Spirit came upon 70 elders, and they prophesied -- in the early Scriptures, something that many don't know and/or deny:
CAME UPON...DID NOT INDWELL
Num 11:25 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed {Him} upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied.
Just so, WHEN the Spirit rested upon them they prophesied. It was not something they were always able to do. It was UPON them....not IN them.. Difference from then, to NT times (including current believers)The gifts of the Holy Spirit described in the NT are through the indwelling Holy Spirit. Please read the quote you wrote again.........in the OT the Holy Spirit was not indwelling but rather RESTED UPON. It was not permanent and things could change ie' King Saul. Not the same thing:
Indwelling vs resting upon
The H Spirit came upon Joshua, and he led Israel:
Num 17:18 So the LORD said to Moses, "Take Joshua the son of Nun, a man in whom is the Spirit, and lay your hand on him;
Deut 34:9 Now Joshua the son of Nun was filled with the spirit of wisdom
Joshua was called for a specific purpose .... as were those who built the Tabernacle......PLEASE SEE THE DIFFERENCE......the Holy Spirit in the NT is for ALL believers.....not just those called for a specific purpose.
"Now Joshua, son of Nun, was filled with the spirit of wisdom because Moses had laid his hands on him.: Deut. 34:9 Just so. Please see the difference here; Joshua was NOT filled with the Holy Spirit the way we are today (if indeed, we are filled with the Holy Spirit but as we know that is another controversy and def another thread) The man was filled with 'THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM" and this was BECAUSE Moses had laid his hands on him. Moses 'transferred' this gift to Joshua. It was not an infilling like we have in the NT....he was not sealed as are believers described as being sealed by the Holy Spirit.
The H Spirit came upon persons who could sew and embroider:
Ex 28:3 "You shall speak to all the skillful persons whom I have endowed with the spirit of wisdom, that they make Aaron's garments to consecrate him, that he may minister as priest to Me." See? Endowed with the spirit of wisdom to make the garments...not endowed with the gift of making the garments...it is the wisdom to do so that is the gift (acutally much more in line with how the gifts are described in the NT)
Again, God is endowing FOR A SPECIAL AND UNIQUE PURPOSE....
The H Spirit came upon persons who could build and make instruments for the Tabernacle:
Ex 31:3 "I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all {kinds of} craftsmanship
Ex 35:31 "And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship;
Again, for a specific purpose....not sealed as are Christians today. These people were 'talented' and God marked those gifts (that He had given anyway) and used them for His purpose and gave them an extra edge by filling them with His Spirit for the work He gave them to do.I think that our selling the H Spirit short in the gifts is the main cause of people thinking that those who sing, write music and songs, and teach should do it for nothing, because they are using a gift of the H Spirit, but the gifts of the H Spirit are many and the workman is worthy of his/her due pay.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 3:58:56 PM
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no but I still respect you.
It certainly depends upon your theology. I believe I was called to be His from long before I was born, that the H Spirit prepared me to become His, that He gifted me according to His intended use in the Kingdom, that He was given to me upon salvation, and that He began to expand and tone up the gifts He had given me at that time.
I know when the H Spirit comes upon me and guides my talents for His use. I know when my talents are taken out of my hands and are guided by Him.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 10:14:24 PM
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One must remember that in the OT, the Spirit came upon a person for a season and for a purpose and then left that individual. Under the NT, when a person recieves Christ the HS comes to permantly dwell in an individual.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 11:21:40 PM
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no but I still respect you.
It certainly depends upon your theology. I believe I was called to be His from long before I was born, that the H Spirit prepared me to become His, that He gifted me according to His intended use in the Kingdom, that He was given to me upon salvation, and that He began to expand and tone up the gifts He had given me at that time.
I know when the H Spirit comes upon me and guides my talents for His use. I know when my talents are taken out of my hands and are guided by Him.
I don't think we are talking about the same thing. Yes, God does know those who are His.... but that is not just your belief. Scripture teaches that, so I believe, in accord with Scripture, that God knows those who are His.
The question asked by the OP is: Do non-Christians have spiritual gifts.
The question was not does God know those who are His and does He guide the talents of believers. So, the answer is NO...non-Christians do NOT have spiritual gifts. I was trying to show the difference between the Old and New Testament with regards to the Holy Spirit. The question is about UNBELIEVERS...not those who are believers.
So, I think I'll just let this go......I prefer to line up what I believe with what God's word actually says....I think saying 'something depends on your theology is a copout.' It's not my theology....I gave examples from Scripture. It's not my interpretation. It's black and white. Scripture is plain on the gifts.....and they are not given to non-believers.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 10/31/2008 11:23:52 PM
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One must remember that in the OT, the Spirit came upon a person for a season and for a purpose and then left that individual. Under the NT, when a person recieves Christ the HS comes to permantly dwell in an individual.
Just so. As I plainly showed in my answer, Post 29. It's dangerous to play into what you want something to say. We need to line up what we think with the Bible, not look for what we think supports what we believe.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 12:01:01 AM
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One must remember that in the OT, the Spirit came upon a person for a season and for a purpose and then left that individual. Under the NT, when a person recieves Christ the HS comes to permantly dwell in an individual.
Just so. As I plainly showed in my answer, Post 29. It's dangerous to play into what you want something to say. We need to line up what we think with the Bible, not look for what we think supports what we believe.
Ok... How many Christians were their in the Old Testament. None. That's in the time before Christ. As was well-posted, there were individuals then that were moved by the Spirit of God- the Holy Spirit, and they were not Christians. They were righteous, God-fearing, and whatever else you find describing pleasing to God. Surely they were also gifted by His Spirit, and they knew of He that was to come in the future. How can this be contested?
People were first called Christians in the times of the New Testament. These people were NOT known for having evidence of the Holy Spirit alive inside them. Bob the Teacher. Heather the Helper. That wasn't it. What they were known for was in seeking to follow Christ's teachings, to live a life pleasing and acceptable to God. They learned and realized more of the FRUIT of the Spirit in their life- love, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control. They accepted and realized there was no penalty for practicing such things in their life. Then, in addition to that, a person born anew in the Spirit received a spiritual gift- additional testimony of a changed life- and also something that would be needed in the building up of the body of Christ on earth- His church. Sure, it can be used in everyday life too.
All that said, and defining a spiritual gift as being from Jesus through the Holy Spirit, no, someone not a believer of Christ, not having become a new creation in Him, this person of today does not have a spiritual gift. If it's been called a special power- a spiritual power, that's what it is- but it's not from God- God doesn't give powers. He also did not limit giving spiritual gifts or empowerments only to people of the New Testament that followed Christ's acension following a promise to return again.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 12:54:10 AM
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No, I don't believe non-believer's have Spiritual gifts. I mean how can they have spiritual gifts if the Holy Spirit isn't in them. I do believe they may have talents that can be used in conjunction with the spiritual gifts they aquire once they accept Christ as their Saviour, though.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 11:22:52 AM
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After glancing through everyone's posts, and forgive me for missing someone's point, I didn't see a clear definition that anyone agreed with of what a "spiritual" gift was. Is it something beyond talent? Is it an act given from the heart such as compassion or forgiveness? I believe that a non-Christian can exhibit these gifts. There are plenty of people out there that care for others and display these types of qualities that can be compared to any Christian, are these just fortunate traits that are similar? So, what is a clear definition of a Spritual Gift? Prophesying, speaking in tongues, or other obscure gifts that only a rare occurance can be noted? I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to get clarification of what is really being discussed.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 1:40:33 PM
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After glancing through everyone's posts, and forgive me for missing someone's point, I didn't see a clear definition that anyone agreed with of what a "spiritual" gift was. Is it something beyond talent? Is it an act given from the heart such as compassion or forgiveness? I believe that a non-Christian can exhibit these gifts. There are plenty of people out there that care for others and display these types of qualities that can be compared to any Christian, are these just fortunate traits that are similar? So, what is a clear definition of a Spritual Gift? Prophesying, speaking in tongues, or other obscure gifts that only a rare occurance can be noted? I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to get clarification of what is really being discussed.
1 Cor. 12 4-11
To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, message of knowledge, faith, miraculous powers, prophecy, distinguishing between spirits, speaking in different kinds of tongues and interpretation. All these are the work of one and the same Spirit and He gives them to each one, just as He determines.
So how can a non-Christian exhibit these gifts? I dont believe they can. Many may disagree...but from my own experience, before the Lord saved me, I had compassion and forgiveness as you have stated here in your post, but they are "not spiritual" gifts according to the Word of God.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 1:56:56 PM
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Again, not to ruffle any feathers, I still find it odd that there is an opinion that non-Christians can possibly have "spiritual" gifts. The verse quoted above lays out a few that can trancend any persons belief system, whether they be Christian or not. I haven't yet met a person who can say they have recieved the gift of speaking in tongues, or even miraculous powers. I consider myself a believer, however, I think that some tend to cling to the literal word of the text and not consider the true meaning of the whole, we confine it within limitations of our understanding. I contend that even though a person may not have been saved on earth, God works within them.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 2:06:21 PM
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Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts?
No!!
1 "Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." I Corinthians 12
I submit that any man who has not accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior does not have the Holy Spirit and therefore cannot have spiritual gifts. He also "calleth Jesus accursed" in that he has rejected Him... "He who is not with Me is against Me..." -Matthew 12:30
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 2:11:20 PM
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Anyone can exhibit mercy, grace or kindness(and praise God they do!)but that not the issue however admirable those qualities are. The issue isn't the quality rather the obedience borne of(Christ Jesus')sacrifice and where those qualities lie.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 2:14:28 PM
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It certainly depends upon your theology. I believe I was called to be His from long before I was born, that the H Spirit prepared me to become His, that He gifted me according to His intended use in the Kingdom, that He was given to me upon salvation, and that He began to expand and tone up the gifts He had given me at that time.
I know when the H Spirit comes upon me and guides my talents for His use. I know when my talents are taken out of my hands and are guided by Him.
But to my mind those are just sanctified natural talents, not spiritual gifts.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 2:16:34 PM
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Again, not to ruffle any feathers, I still find it odd that there is an opinion that non-Christians can possibly have "spiritual" gifts. The verse quoted above lays out a few that can trancend any persons belief system, whether they be Christian or not. I haven't yet met a person who can say they have recieved the gift of speaking in tongues, or even miraculous powers. I consider myself a believer, however, I think that some tend to cling to the literal word of the text and not consider the true meaning of the whole, we confine it within limitations of our understanding. I contend that even though a person may not have been saved on earth, God works within them.
Ok, so here is a question for you. You say yourself that you are a believer. Before you were saved, did you have knowledge of the Word of God, did you have faith in the Lord, did you have wisdom? And all these gifts are given to those, as He determines, and its to further His Kingdom. So, how would a non-Christian be given any of the 9 gifts to further His Kingdom? It just doesnt happen.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 2:44:37 PM
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Is it something beyond talent?
Very different from talent.
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Is it an act given from the heart such as compassion or forgiveness?
No.
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Prophesying, speaking in tongues, or other obscure gifts that only a rare occurance can be noted?
"Rare"? Umm, no, spiritual gifts have not been at all "rare" in any church where I've worshipped for the last almost 32 years (since I was saved). Even my two children (19 and 15) have spiritual gifts.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 4:54:15 PM
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So, apparently, there are churches all over the place with people speaking in tongues, prophesying, and performing miracles. I stand corrected and abashedly admit that I have never heard of "The Spiritual Gifts" listed in such a way. In fact, I still find it hard to believe that any gifts of God are limited to the "9 spiritual gifts". Perhaps I am a bit secular in my thinking and consideration that there are an unlimited number of gifts from God, whether others would consider them spiritual or not is up to them. Perhaps if the post said "Do non-Christians Have the nine Spiritual Gifts?" I would have taken the time to dig a little deeper and find out why it was just nine and no more. Just a thought.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 5:10:07 PM
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So, apparently, there are churches all over the place with people speaking in tongues, prophesying, and performing miracles. I stand corrected and abashedly admit that I have never heard of "The Spiritual Gifts" listed in such a way. In fact, I still find it hard to believe that any gifts of God are limited to the "9 spiritual gifts". Perhaps I am a bit secular in my thinking and consideration that there are an unlimited number of gifts from God, whether others would consider them spiritual or not is up to them. Perhaps if the post said "Do non-Christians Have the nine Spiritual Gifts?" I would have taken the time to dig a little deeper and find out why it was just nine and no more. Just a thought.
I believe there are more "Spiritual Gifts" than just those listed in the bible. I feel any talent a person has that is used to edify Christ, God or the church is a "spiritual gift".
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 5:15:06 PM
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So, apparently, there are churches all over the place with people speaking in tongues, prophesying, and performing miracles.
And the other gifts too, don't forget those!
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I stand corrected and abashedly admit that I have never heard of "The Spiritual Gifts" listed in such a way.
There's a number of places you can find them. There's at least these:
Romans 12
exhortation
giving
leadership
mercy
prophecy
service
teaching
1 Corinthians 12
administration
apostle
discernment
faith
healing
helps
knowledge
miracles
prophecy
teaching
tongues
tongues interpretation
wisdom
Ephesians 4
apostle
evangelism
pastor
prophecy
teaching
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In fact, I still find it hard to believe that any gifts of God are limited to the "9 spiritual gifts".
It isn't nine, there are at least twenty, some say twenty-two.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/1/2008 11:52:58 PM
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After glancing through everyone's posts, and forgive me for missing someone's point, I didn't see a clear definition that anyone agreed with of what a "spiritual" gift was. Is it something beyond talent? Is it an act given from the heart such as compassion or forgiveness? I believe that a non-Christian can exhibit these gifts. There are plenty of people out there that care for others and display these types of qualities that can be compared to any Christian, are these just fortunate traits that are similar? So, what is a clear definition of a Spritual Gift? Prophesying, speaking in tongues, or other obscure gifts that only a rare occurance can be noted? I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, just trying to get clarification of what is really being discussed.
NEW TESTAMENT SPIRITUAL GIFTS are catalogued and available for ready reference in your handy coffee table Bible. I know where they are.........look 'em up....if no one makes it clear by....oh, say Monday, I'll haul em out for perusal.
UPDATE: Someone already did! Oh yay.
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/2/2008 9:11:45 AM
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I believe that God gives each person certain *talents* or characteristics, and that these are both for saved and unsaved. Spiritual Gifts, however, come directly from the Holy Spirit and I believe are only received through a personal relationship with Him. You can read more about it the New Testament (Romans is a good one). Dont remember the exact verses, sorry. But that's my opinion :0)
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RE: Do Non-Christians Have Spiritual Gifts? - 11/2/2008 10:31:46 AM
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1 Cor 2:4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:10-15 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the deep things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
These things we also speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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OK, well what does the Bible have to say about it? Where in the Bible can you support your affirmative reply? We need to be careful and not be sentimental about non-believers.....even if we love them.
God is not mocked and there are plenty of non-saved people exhibiting every kind of spiritural 'gift' you can imagine.....including 'healing'.
Problems arise when we ignore what Scripture actually teaches or misinterpret same. Please provide Scripture that indicates non-believers have 'dormant' spiritual gifts.
I'll be very honest, I didn't go by any scripture, simply because I see this as something that scripture is unclear on. If you feel that there are instances where scripture would confirm or refute my thought, please lay them out for me.
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I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfilll the lust of the flesh.
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