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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 4:37:10 PM
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We need to be about the Father's business and live lives that exemplify Christ to a lost nation and boldly proclaim that Jesus is still King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 5:44:50 PM
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We need to be about the Father's business and live lives that exemplify Christ to a lost nation and boldly proclaim that Jesus is still King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
...and the best way to do that, politically, is to vote agasint Obama.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 5:45:53 PM
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We need to be about the Father's business and live lives that exemplify Christ to a lost nation and boldly proclaim that Jesus is still King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
...and the best way to do that, politically, is to vote agasint Obama.
hi - and if he wins, what is our next choice/decision/action?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 5:47:14 PM
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We need to be about the Father's business and live lives that exemplify Christ to a lost nation and boldly proclaim that Jesus is still King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
...and the best way to do that, politically, is to vote agasint Obama.
hi - and if he wins, what is our next choice/decision/action?
To continue to worship God, pray and read our Bibles. I know I'll be doing that no matter who wins!
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:02:41 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:03:53 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:06:14 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
By praying for Obama and Congress and hoping that God will help guide him in the proper way.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:11:13 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
By praying for Obama and Congress and hoping that God will help guide him in the proper way.
Or pray for God to bring them down...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:55:55 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
By praying for Obama and Congress and hoping that God will help guide him in the proper way.
I guess we all should disregard God's word since it's meaningless. Not!!!
Who are we but mere humans, that we should not do as God has instructed.
Romans 13:1-7
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Titus 3:1-9
1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men. 3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone. 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
1 Peter 2:13-15
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 6:58:00 PM
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Another Thank you to Campbe!!
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 7:04:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: Mark328
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ORIGINAL: Peter_Gunn
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
By praying for Obama and Congress and hoping that God will help guide him in the proper way.
Or pray for God to bring them down...
Romans 13:1-7
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Titus 3:1-9
1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone. 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
1 Peter 2:13-15
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.
Being obedient and submitting to what is lawful doesn't mean one cannot pray for God to bring down evil men... There is no law, civil or scriptural against praying for God to remove evil rulers... In fact there is a verse that speaks of folks frowning when evil rulers are in power and rejoicing when the righteous rules... Proverbs... As well as one that speak of rulers acting unjustly as being an abomination since there power and status has its origins in righteous, therefore God...
Btw....
Since you posted scripture you find that verse yet you said existed? If you want to be taken seriously you need to address the fact you made a point that I ingored a verse in the bible that doesn't exsit...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 7:18:24 PM
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IF Obama wins then it is up to us to fight his socialism.
How? If he wins and congress is majorly democrat...how can we fight?
By praying for Obama and Congress and hoping that God will help guide him in the proper way.
Or pray for God to bring them down...
Romans 13:1-7
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
Titus 3:1-9
1 Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready to do whatever is good, 2 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men.
3 At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. 8 This is a trustworthy saying. And I want you to stress these things, so that those who have trusted in God may be careful to devote themselves to doing what is good. These things are excellent and profitable for everyone. 9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
1 Peter 2:13-15
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.
Being obedient and submitting to what is lawful doesn't mean one cannot pray for God to bring down evil men... There is no law, civil or scriptural against praying for God to remove evil rulers... In fact there is a verse that speaks of folks frowning when evil rulers are in power and rejoicing when the righteous rules... Proverbs... As well as one that speak of rulers acting unjustly as being an abomination since there power and status has its origins in righteous, therefore God...
Btw....
Since you posted scripture you find that verse yet you said existed? If you want to be taken seriously you need to address the fact you made a point that I ingored a verse in the bible that doesn't exsit...
Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture??? Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none. You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 7:44:47 PM
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Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture???
Sure...
Post 302 in this very thread...
YOU:What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
ME:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
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YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly.
ME:Verse? What verse? Are you serious? Do you know there is no verse that says that?
No response to that last post from you...
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Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none.
I am not the making things up.... You said I took a verse in the bible lightly that is not there ... Do you understand there is NO verse that says, love the sinner, hate the sin?
Though there are these...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
Why?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 8:52:09 PM
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Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture???
Sure...
Post 302 in this very thread...
YOU:What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
ME:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
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YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly.
ME:Verse? What verse? Are you serious? Do you know there is no verse that says that?
No response to that last post from you...
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Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none.
I am not the making things up.... You said I took a verse in the bible lightly that is not there ... Do you understand there is NO verse that says, love the sinner, hate the sin?
Though there are these...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
Why?
scripture
Where do I say it's in the bible or a scripture verse?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 8:59:28 PM
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture???
Sure...
Post 302 in this very thread...
YOU:What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
ME:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
Post 309
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly.
ME:Verse? What verse? Are you serious? Do you know there is no verse that says that?
No response to that last post from you...
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Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none.
I am not the making things up.... You said I took a verse in the bible lightly that is not there ... Do you understand there is NO verse that says, love the sinner, hate the sin?
Though there are these...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
Why?
scripture
Where do I say it's in the bible or a scripture verse?
Again...
You said: What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
I replied:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
You replied:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that VERSE so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
The above is clear evidence that you believe the cliche, love the sinner, hate the sin is a verse... If you are now trying to say your use of the term verse was in the context of something other than the bible good luck...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 9:08:06 PM
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His_4_Ever
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ORIGINAL: SovereignIsHe
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture???
Sure...
Post 302 in this very thread...
YOU:What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
ME:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
Post 309
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly.
ME:Verse? What verse? Are you serious? Do you know there is no verse that says that?
No response to that last post from you...
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Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none.
I am not the making things up.... You said I took a verse in the bible lightly that is not there ... Do you understand there is NO verse that says, love the sinner, hate the sin?
Though there are these...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
Why?
scripture
Where do I say it's in the bible or a scripture verse?
Again...
You said: What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
I replied:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
You replied:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that VERSE so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
The above is clear evidence that you believe the cliche, love the sinner, hate the sin is a verse... If you are now trying to say your use of the term verse was in the context of something other than the bible good luck...
I may believe in loving the sinner, but hating the sin, but nowhere did I identify it by saying it was from the bible or scripture.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 9:28:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: campbe33
Can you show me where I ever said that verse existed in the bible or was scripture???
Sure...
Post 302 in this very thread...
YOU:What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
ME:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
Post 309
YOU:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that verse so lightly.
ME:Verse? What verse? Are you serious? Do you know there is no verse that says that?
No response to that last post from you...
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Can show me directly where I said, you ignored it pointedly??? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to stop making cases where there are none.
I am not the making things up.... You said I took a verse in the bible lightly that is not there ... Do you understand there is NO verse that says, love the sinner, hate the sin?
Though there are these...
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
quote:
You might wanna be careful what you pray for.
Why?
scripture
Where do I say it's in the bible or a scripture verse?
Again...
You said: What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
I replied:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
You replied:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that VERSE so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
The above is clear evidence that you believe the cliche, love the sinner, hate the sin is a verse... If you are now trying to say your use of the term verse was in the context of something other than the bible good luck...
I may believe in loving the sinner, but hating the sin, but nowhere did I identify it by saying it was from the bible or scripture.
Not true... You OWN words convict you... I have to admit I am stunned you'd deny you very words... Quoted verbatim... You said it was a VERSE. And only YOU believe it doesn't mean a verse from the bible... Of course if you can find a way to you the word verse in another context be my guest... So... What did you mean by verse? Poem? Typo? What?
You said: What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
I replied:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
You replied:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that VERSE so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 9:56:32 PM
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Where do I say it's in the bible or a scripture verse?
Again...
You said: What happen to love the sinner, hate the sin?
I replied:What does that cliche have to do with you supporting homosexuality?
You replied:I am glad it's so easy for you to take that VERSE so lightly. I don't support the sexual aspect of homosexual relationships, but as human beings they have rights too.
The above is clear evidence that you believe the cliche, love the sinner, hate the sin is a verse... If you are now trying to say your use of the term verse was in the context of something other than the bible good luck...
Regarding love for the sinner, how about John 3:16:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
There are many more examples (i.e. verses) in the Gospel where Jesus showed love for the sinner. God's hate for sin is also clearly Biblical. Does it really matter whether the two appear in the same verse or the context of the entire Bible? What matters, surely, is that the 'cliche' is Biblical.
Cheers,
Clayton.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/4/2008 9:58:42 PM
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Regarding love for the sinner, how about John 3:16:
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
There are many more examples (i.e. verses) in the Gospel where Jesus showed love for the sinner. God's hate for sin is also clearly Biblical. Does it really matter whether the two appear in the same verse or the context of the entire Bible? What matters, surely, is that the 'cliche' is Biblical.
You sure?
Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalms 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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