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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:39:15 AM
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We must serve different gods John, because I know that my God loves sinners.
Ugh..read Psalm 5:5.
Ugh. Read romans 5:8
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:42:00 AM
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We must serve different gods John, because I know that my God loves sinners.
Ugh..read Psalm 5:5.
Ugh. Read romans 5:8
Where Paul says Christ died for believers...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:43:23 AM
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ummm there were no Christians when Christ died. So does that mean that Christ didn't die for anyone that is alive right now??
You're so ridiculous I think I have to stop even responding to you.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:44:05 AM
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Well in any case I do believe that prayer is in order.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:50:37 AM
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There are a few of bad assumptions being made here that have led to the reprehensible conclusion that anyone who voted for Obama is unsaved...
1. That if something is a sin, God requires us to vote for our government to outlaw it outright (or we are unsaved!!)
I don't recall anyone saying a person wasn't saved...
2. That one of the two candidates is aligned wholeheartedly with God's will, so there is one and only one righteous way to vote.
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3. That making something illegal is always the absolute best way to prevent a sin from being commited.
Who made this comment?
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4. That voting for a candidate means that you agree with everything they stand for.
One can't parcel their vote... A vote for a candidate lends to support to their agenda...
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Here is my rebuttal...
1. Laws don't prevent sins from happening. I don't believe God necessarily demands that all the governments of the world make every sin illegal. Jesus certainly had some words for the Pharisees, who did that very thing.
The Pharisees didn't simply make up laws, many where in conflict with God's laws, many times perverting God's very law... Bad example...
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2. I can guarantee you both candidates are sinners. If one of them was aligned wholeheartedly with God's will, he would be Jesus.
That doesn't excuse voting for evil whomever the candidate is...
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3. Making something illegal doesn't make it stop completely.
Of course not... That fact covers all laws...
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For every sin in our culture, making it illegal is only (possibly) one piece of the total package required to reduce the number of people commiting it. The general public will stop commiting a sin as much when the culture shifts. Yes, laws can effect this, but so can other measures.
The culture is not going to shift when the authoritative figure is sanctioning evil...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 12:56:07 AM
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ummm there were no Christians when Christ died. So does that mean that Christ didn't die for anyone that is alive right now??
Ask clayton994....
clayton994 : No, I believe that in Romans 5, Paul is referring to the body of believers.
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You're so ridiculous I think I have to stop even responding to you.
You already played that card... I recall you mentioning blocking me...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 1:22:12 AM
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Campbe, why won't you address your error?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 3:15:07 AM
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I'd like to hear more of the "evangelicals for Obama" explain their support for his un-bibilcal stands. Why, oh why, is that always so very hard to get them to do? They spend their time praising Obama, but I never see any substance to their support. We just get more of the "He's not Bush or McCain" and that seems to be all they come up with. As if they've just bought into the "change" rhetoric.
Please, evangelical Christians, get out your Bibles and prove me wrong!!!
Think I'll just keep repeating myself until someone has the guts or knowledge to do this.
Why, on thread after thread, can this not be done??? 
It cannot be done for the same reason that one cannot use the Bible to justify Republicans. This is why politics and religion do not mix.
Oh, but religion and politics do mix! They mix in the privacy of one's own soul. There is no question but that a person's faith affects that person's views of public policy, and therefore of politics, and therefore of politicians.
I think the influence works in the other direction as well. A person's view of what is right in public policy affects one's walk of faith, and affects what one takes away when reading the Bible.
What's clear to me from this discussion, and from other such discussions that I've been involved with, is that the idea of Evangelicals as a "voting block" is vastly overplayed. And that isn't just true for this year. If you go back over the last four presidential elections, I think you'll find that about one third of self-described Evangelicals voted for the Democrat. That's far from 50-50 but it's also far from nearly unanimous. I don't know what the ratio will turn out to be this time around.
In the aftermath of the election, Americans are going to make some effort to come together and to work together in spite of vehemently held opposite views on the election.
I believe the effort to come together is ging to be even more important among Evangelicals. We have much to forgive each other for. Harsh things are said in the heat of political battle. It is important that we get on with forgiving each other, and get on with doing the work that God has prepared for us to do, individually and as a body, regardless of whether the man in the White House helps us or hurts us in that cause, and regardless of whether we voted the same way or not.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 7:50:03 AM
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I'd like to hear more of the "evangelicals for Obama" explain their support for his un-bibilcal stands. Why, oh why, is that always so very hard to get them to do? They spend their time praising Obama, but I never see any substance to their support. We just get more of the "He's not Bush or McCain" and that seems to be all they come up with. As if they've just bought into the "change" rhetoric.
Please, evangelical Christians, get out your Bibles and prove me wrong!!!
Think I'll just keep repeating myself until someone has the guts or knowledge to do this.
Why, on thread after thread, can this not be done???
It cannot be done for the same reason that one cannot use the Bible to justify Republicans. This is why politics and religion do not mix.
Oh, but religion and politics do mix! They mix in the privacy of one's own soul. There is no question but that a person's faith affects that person's views of public policy, and therefore of politics, and therefore of politicians.
I think the influence works in the other direction as well. A person's view of what is right in public policy affects one's walk of faith, and affects what one takes away when reading the Bible.
What's clear to me from this discussion, and from other such discussions that I've been involved with, is that the idea of Evangelicals as a "voting block" is vastly overplayed. And that isn't just true for this year. If you go back over the last four presidential elections, I think you'll find that about one third of self-described Evangelicals voted for the Democrat. That's far from 50-50 but it's also far from nearly unanimous. I don't know what the ratio will turn out to be this time around.
In the aftermath of the election, Americans are going to make some effort to come together and to work together in spite of vehemently held opposite views on the election.
I believe the effort to come together is ging to be even more important among Evangelicals. We have much to forgive each other for. Harsh things are said in the heat of political battle. It is important that we get on with forgiving each other, and get on with doing the work that God has prepared for us to do, individually and as a body, regardless of whether the man in the White House helps us or hurts us in that cause, and regardless of whether we voted the same way or not.
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In the aftermath of the election, Americans are going to make some effort to come together and to work together in spite of vehemently held opposite views on the election.
Although you made very good points.....The problem with that is there are no opposing views in the word of God,  its quite absolute
..... and since our support of McCains moral view has been change to opposition by the election of the opposite.... then Every step of the way from the local government to the top….we should be in opposition... not compromise ....
The fact is it is just beginning because we did not know which way to go until it was over...and folks really should consider finding a Pastor who will preach the word... from the Bible,
If some the opinions expressed in these threads over the past were observed ...and if that is any indication...the Church is in big trouble 
Matthew 13:24-43
Here is a good start... and we need to begin at this point...
Proposition 8: Right to same-sex marriage Amends the California constitution to specify that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.
Votes % of votes
91% of precincts reporting
Yes 4,939,977 52%
No 4,587,618 48%
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/5/2008 8:40:27 AM
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/6/2008 12:06:15 PM
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/6/2008 12:06:58 PM
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