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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 10/31/2008 9:32:24 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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This has been asked and answered on oh so many threads out here and you all just reject the answers.
Links, please. I haven't seen any such answers.
Here's a sample...
Obama is for choice, not abortion
Obama isn't really for homosexuality, he's for rights.
Jesus never mentions homosexuality
The word abortion isn't in the bible
God killed people and even babies
It's better if abortion is legal since that will keep the (cough) mother safe
You can have secular views that conflict with God's word because Jesus said to render to Caesar what is Caesar's
It doesn't matter if it's wrong it's my right.
Voting is out of the jurisdiction of God's law
God doesn't really care
I wish I was making these up...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 10/31/2008 9:44:24 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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Oh, Sovereign...
have you forgotten that the honorable Sen. McCain called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" eight years ago?
I'd say that the so-called "Christian Right" = "suckers being played for fools" by Sen. McCain's attempts to harvest votes from that bloc.
Isn't McCain a (seemingly nominal) Episcopalian? And doesn't that make him pretty lukewarm himself?? Just asking....The man does have a couple of large errors in judgment in his past: the self-admitted adultery that eventually ended his first marriage; and his active support of then-wealthy contributor Charles Keating, which cost American taxpayers millions of dollars in the S & L scandal.
I am not a supporter of John McCain...
Though adultery is an act, and so was his involvement with the S&L scandal... Unlike Obama who daily supports sexual perversion and the murder of the unborn in order to gain a seat of power in what God ordain should deal with evil, not sanction it...
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No question: Obama is a minimally preferable choice ... or not. He has his own sins to deal with. But I'll take my chances with Obama. Why?
Because you can defend yourself, unlike the unborn victims of his abortion policy and stance...
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Check your Old Testament - see how many times God raised up an unrighteous man to lead a nation, or lead His own people. What if God is bringing judgment to America?
I am well aware of God's actions... He raised nations against His very people for judgment and later punished them for doing so...God doing something doesn't absolve man for his actions... Even if God brought it to pass... Ask Pharaoh, or Joesph's brothers...
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It wouldn't be the first time that He has placed an unrighteous people in His crosshairs. And what if Obama really DOES turn out to be the "false prophet," or "the beast," or even the Antichrist?
He's just another slick politician playing folks for their votes... Though for his own sake he shouldn't invoke the name of God, it would be better for him to ignore God.
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Have we not been waiting for the end times to arrive? Does our world not look remarkably like the times Paul describes in 2 Timothy 3? Should we not be prepared to proclaim the truth of Scripture every day as a hedge against those future days of great tribulation? And...ultimately, is that not more important than whoever wins this election?
Obeying God is far more important...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 10/31/2008 10:09:08 PM
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Just because we have different polictal views does not down play our Christianity.
One political view clearly goes against biblical principles...I think political views stem from our relationships with God so yes, in fact our actions and beliefs DO reflect our relatyionship with God.
How can you vote for someone who supports abortion and homosexual agendas as a christian? Not what does McCain do or say. Not other issues. How, as a christian can a christian vote for Obama?
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I'm voting for Obama, but I don't like his position on abortion.
There is no way to disconnect your view on abortion and every other view you hold. Your abortion stance colors every other decision made. Its a deal breaker.
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or if you vote Democratic you're going to hell and such
Please paste and copy this from this forum...I haven't seen it.
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Are you familiar with Crisis Pregnancy Centers?
Look at what Obama says and wants for abortion in this country and it is clear, he wants dead babies.
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started a war based on lies...
sigh....and people deny the power of the media in this country...pretty sad really.
I hafta go to work but I have one last comment on Evangicals voting for Obama....Foresst Gump said it best...
stupid is as stupid does.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 10/31/2008 10:47:50 PM
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Keep in mind the last 'christian' we voted into office started a war based on lies...
Good grief, how much longer will this particular lie keep getting regurgitated?
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well I'm pro choice so I'm voting for the person who best agrees with my personal convictions.
So I see you can't defend your suport for abortion rights with Scripture either. It's all about YOUR convictions, right?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 10/31/2008 10:56:31 PM
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lol the word 'abortion' isnt in scripture.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 10/31/2008 10:59:08 PM
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lol the word 'abortion' isnt in scripture.
Neither is the word trinity, yet that is a central doctrine of Scripture.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 10/31/2008 11:02:42 PM
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Nor is "rapture" yet every Christian lives for it....
Oh, and it's so nice to see that you can "lol" over the subject of murdered babies....
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 10/31/2008 11:02:59 PM
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Neither are bologna sandwhiches, but BOY I loves me some bolgna sammies!
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:27:04 AM
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If we can't vote for Obama due to his "endorsement" of sin, then we can't vote for McCain or anyone else either. None of us are without sin and as far as God cares, there's no such thing as better to go with this sin than that one. Sin is just that - sin. Not big sin vs. little sin. Greed is no better than murder. It's STILL sin and something we shouldn't "endorse".
There are plenty who starve or at least go without meals in the U.S. I know many personally. In my city, the food banks serve "by population", which means that they go by zip code of residence and other qualifiers like union membership, ethnicity, membership in a church or other organization, number and age of children, number and age of adults, etc. If you live where I do, live in any of several zip codes and are a childless adult but not a senior, odds are you won't be served by many (or any) food banks unless you just happen to belong to just the right group(s). I saw plenty of hunger when I lived on the reservations too. It does happen, and all too often the response is to blame the poor for their poverty or to otherwise justify the refusal to help no matter how wild the mental gymnastics must get.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:36:11 AM
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If we can't vote for Obama due to his "endorsement" of sin, then we can't vote for McCain or anyone else either. None of us are without sin and as far as God cares, there's no such thing as better to go with this sin than that one. Sin is just that - sin. Not big sin vs. little sin. Greed is no better than murder. It's STILL sin and something we shouldn't "endorse".
There are plenty who starve or at least go without meals in the U.S. I know many personally. In my city, the food banks serve "by population", which means that they go by zip code of residence and other qualifiers like union membership, ethnicity, membership in a church or other organization, number and age of children, number and age of adults, etc. If you live where I do, live in any of several zip codes and are a childless adult but not a senior, odds are you won't be served by many (or any) food banks unless you just happen to belong to just the right group(s). I saw plenty of hunger when I lived on the reservations too. It does happen, and all too often the response is to blame the poor for their poverty or to otherwise justify the refusal to help no matter how wild the mental gymnastics must get.
We've shown you time and time again that many,many of Obama's policies are in direct contradiction to God's word. Can you point to any of McCain's policies that are in direct conflict to Gods word? We are accountable to the Lord for our actions and that includes voting.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:37:54 AM
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Two comments, woman:
1) It isn't completely that we can't vote for 0bama because he endorses sin (though that is a great reason to give him a big thumbs down), rather that his policies do not reflect the biblical examples of a righteous ruler.
2) Maybe taking away government welfare and entitlement programs would be a double blessing: the hungry would be driven into the arms of the church, which is where they should be turning anyway, and the church would be forced to react compassionately. Of course, the church in the USA is already EXTREMELY generous and compassionate and charitable, but there is also lot of apathetic Christianry going on.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:38:45 AM
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If we can't vote for Obama due to his "endorsement" of sin, then we can't vote for McCain or anyone else either.
None of us are without sin and as far as God cares, there's no such thing as better to go with this sin than that one.
The bible speaks of greater sins and some sins generally carry with them more sever temporal consequences due to their nature...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:40:27 AM
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lol the word 'abortion' isnt in scripture.
Not all methods of murder are mentioned in the bible, yet when life is taken unjustly it's murder...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:45:52 AM
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Then show where legislating abortion to be illegal is required on top of the Biblical prohibition (and, BTW, I do NOT agree with Obama about abortion at all, I just cannot in good conscience vote for McCain knowing what he's said about programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and various welfare related programs). While you're at it, show where spreading lies and gossip about one's opponent is OK. So much of what has been said by the McCain campaign about Obama is based on innuendo and circumstance to such a degree that it comes down to what you choose to believe.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:53:38 AM
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Then show where legislating abortion to be illegal is required on top of the Biblical prohibition (and, BTW, I do NOT agree with Obama about abortion at all, I just cannot in good conscience vote for McCain knowing what he's said about programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and various welfare related programs). While you're at it, show where spreading lies and gossip about one's opponent is OK. So much of what has been said by the McCain campaign about Obama is based on innuendo and circumstance to such a degree that it comes down to what you choose to believe.
So by your own admission social welfare programs are more important then the slaughter of 3 million plus preborn babies a year. Um, ...okay.
While your at it, could you provide proof of so called "lies and gossip"?
Nobama is on the wrong side of God on abortion and homosexuality and was under the pastoral leadership of a racist bigot for 20 years. This can't be argued. How can a womaninchrist reconcile that with scripture? Hey, you don't like McCain, well I'm not too big on him either, but I got really excited when our sister in the Lord was nominated veep.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 1:55:20 AM
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Then show where legislating abortion to be illegal is required on top of the Biblical prohibition
Proverbs 16:12 It is an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness.
Proverbs 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the Lord.
Proverbs 18:5 It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to overthrow the righteous in judgment.
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(and, BTW, I do NOT agree with Obama about abortion at all,
Can't support/vote for the man and pick and choose what agenda(s) you don't support... Your vote for Obama lends support to his agenda as a whole...
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I just cannot in good conscience vote for McCain knowing what he's said about programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security and various welfare related programs). While you're at it, show where spreading lies and gossip about one's opponent is OK. So much of what has been said by the McCain campaign about Obama is based on innuendo and circumstance to such a degree that it comes down to what you choose to believe.
However bad McCain is that doesn't remove the evil agendas that are common knowledge and apparent in regards to Obama.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 7:17:53 AM
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I'm not lukewarm either.....and have proudly voted for Obama!
So you proudly voted for a man who devalues life and promotes a lifestyle that runs counter to the word of God. How do you rationalize that?
Being quick to anger and treating others poorly is living counter to the word of God, too.
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Through a variety of reports talking about McCain's short temper. Watching the primary debates, it was obvious that he could get snarky and vindictive pretty quickly.
I think you missed something here, Dan. My comment was about your assumption that there was anger in Takfam's words. They are nothing more than words on the screen communicating a point and asking a question. How were you able to discern anger in Takfam's post? Was it because it raised your own ire? Or, are you seeing things as you want to see them? How does Takfam's post have anything to do with McCain being Snarky and vindictive?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:27:14 AM
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So much of what has been said by the McCain campaign about Obama is based on innuendo and circumstance to such a degree that it comes down to what you choose to believe.
Is it inuendo and circumstance? Or, is it that information that is coming to light conflicts with your worldview?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 1:55:55 PM
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To any one who professes to be a Christian that voted or will vote for Obama; have you had the chance to read the open letter from Huntely Brown?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 4:14:02 PM
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I think you missed something here, Dan. My comment was about your assumption that there was anger in Takfam's words. They are nothing more than words on the screen communicating a point and asking a question. How were you able to discern anger in Takfam's post? Was it because it raised your own ire? Or, are you seeing things as you want to see them? How does Takfam's post have anything to do with McCain being Snarky and vindictive?
Ah, I see. I didn't mean to imply that tafkam was angry. I was always talking about McCain. The allegation was that Obama "devalues life and promotes a lifestyle that runs counter to the word of God." I was countering that by pointing out that McCain's famous temper also runs counter to the word of God; I've also said before (perhaps not in this thread) that such an attitude can also have a negative impact on "life" given the delicate diplomatic situations a president can find himself in.
-Dan.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 4:25:51 PM
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I think you missed something here, Dan. My comment was about your assumption that there was anger in Takfam's words. They are nothing more than words on the screen communicating a point and asking a question. How were you able to discern anger in Takfam's post? Was it because it raised your own ire? Or, are you seeing things as you want to see them? How does Takfam's post have anything to do with McCain being Snarky and vindictive?
Ah, I see. I didn't mean to imply that tafkam was angry. I was always talking about McCain. The allegation was that Obama "devalues life and promotes a lifestyle that runs counter to the word of God." I was countering that by pointing out that McCain's famous temper also runs counter to the word of God; I've also said before (perhaps not in this thread) that such an attitude can also have a negative impact on "life" given the delicate diplomatic situations a president can find himself in.
-Dan.
McCain hasn't stated that anger will be part of his policy platform and legislate that everyone display rage. Obama has stated that he will sign the FOCA as soon as he gets into office, he stated that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality and gays are born that way and he attended a church pastored by a racist bigot gor over twenty years; all very against Gods word.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 6:37:06 PM
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Nor is "rapture" yet every Christian lives for it....
It is in the Latin Bible.
The word "rapture" is derived from the Latin "rapturo".
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 6:49:30 PM
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I am prolife and profamily. However, like a lot of younger evangelicals, I note that on virtually every other issue of character or policies, that Mr. Obama is closer to the Word of God than John McCain. Folks, you better realize that a 2% gospel no longer glorifies God and cashing in on all the rest of the Bible gets a little Faustian
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 6:52:26 PM
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I am prolife and profamily. However, like a lot of younger evangelicals, I note that on virtually every other issue of character or policies, that Mr. Obama is closer to the Word of God than John McCain. Folks, you better realize that a 2% gospel no longer glorifies God and cashing in on all the rest of the Bible gets a little Faustian
Could you explain how you think Obama is closer to the Word of God? I would be interested in just one or two issues and please be specific.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 6:58:07 PM
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lol the word 'abortion' isnt in scripture.
Wow! I've never actually known of anyone to use that line. I heard that people do but have never been this close to it! That's scary and even more scary that she thinks it's funny! 
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