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RE: Evangelicals For Obama - 11/1/2008 7:01:31 PM
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I am prolife and profamily. However, like a lot of younger evangelicals, I note that on virtually every other issue of character or policies, that Mr. Obama is closer to the Word of God than John McCain. Folks, you better realize that a 2% gospel no longer glorifies God and cashing in on all the rest of the Bible gets a little Faustian
Could you explain how you think Obama is closer to the Word of God? I would be interested in just one or two issues and please be specific.
Yeah...I'd like to hear that, too. What "other issues" are you referring to? And yes...specifically.
And what is the 2% gospel comment all about?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:06:22 PM
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Have you seen an aborted baby? It's nothing to laugh at.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:28:14 PM
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Was I laughing at abortion? Nope. I was laughing at how people try to justify being pro life saying its scriptural when it's not.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:30:55 PM
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God is the author of life. That's kind of a prolife stance. Just sayin'
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:33:01 PM
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Then we'd have to know when life begins and that's not a topic I have enough time to debate about.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:38:29 PM
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When I took biology life began when the sperm met the egg. That is when there is unique DNA. In order for growth and development there has to be life. That is basic biology.
National Geographic has a wonderful program that they show regularly about Life in the Womb.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:39:53 PM
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Did you biology class teach you when the fetus has it's own blood type? Just curious...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 7:52:36 PM
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Did you biology class teach you when the fetus has it's own blood type? Just curious...
It would be when the heart starts beating at about day 22. It may or may not be the same type of the mother's. If it's different then Rh factor is an issue.
In the Womb Part 1/10
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 8:08:51 PM
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Rani, I happened to take a look at your blog, which is really interesting BTW. On it you say that you've only been a Christian since early this year (welcome to the family, BTW). I also read you are a new mom. Honestly, with the relationship you have your baby now, doesn't the fact that other people discount something that precious even remotely bother you? Can't you see that it's throwing away a precious child of God?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 8:48:14 PM
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Rani, I happened to take a look at your blog, which is really interesting BTW. On it you say that you've only been a Christian since early this year (welcome to the family, BTW). I also read you are a new mom. Honestly, with the relationship you have your baby now, doesn't the fact that other people discount something that precious even remotely bother you? Can't you see that it's throwing away a precious child of God?
Thanks! I'm not saying at all that life isn't precious. I see that more and more everyday. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of birth control, that we can just be promiscuous and then have an abortion. In my opinion that is wrong. But the reason that I'm pro-choice is just that, I believe in choice. Wasn't it Jesus who gave us free will in the first place? I can't say whether God sanctions abortion or not, to me the scripture isn't clear on the issue. I wish that every woman who was pregnant had the emotional, spiritual and financial stability to raise their child, but the fact is that they don't. My biggest problem is that most pro-lifers are also pro-haters, I have no problem loving a woman who has opted for abortion, completely understanding that she has struggled and made a decision that by no means was easy.
I hope this is all making sense, I'm a bit drugged up on cold medication. I just wish that people would understand that if YOU don't want an abortion then YOU don't have to have one. No one is forcing you, but on the other hand, don't force your decision upon others.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 8:56:09 PM
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Was I laughing at abortion? Nope. I was laughing at how people try to justify being pro life saying its scriptural when it's not.
When you are done "laughing" by all means explain your biblical support for abortion...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:10:38 PM
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Thanks! I'm not saying at all that life isn't precious. I see that more and more everyday. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of birth control, that we can just be promiscuous and then have an abortion. In my opinion that is wrong. But the reason that I'm pro-choice is just that, I believe in choice.
You say it's wrong, you support the right to do so, and you have no idea if God is against it, and you even consider that God might sanction it... You certainly have all the bases covered...
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Wasn't it Jesus who gave us free will in the first place?
Free will isn't a licensee to murder and or do as one pleases... Any thoughts of consequences come into the picture from where you stand?
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I can't say whether God sanctions abortion or not, to me the scripture isn't clear on the issue.
To get some bearing on this what is "clear" in scripture? Honestly you really wonder if God sanction something like abortion? What "scripture" causes you to even consider God to sanction man taking life without just cause?
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I wish that every woman who was pregnant had the emotional, spiritual and financial stability to raise their child, but the fact is that they don't. My biggest problem is that most pro-lifers are also pro-haters, I have no problem loving a woman who has opted for abortion, completely understanding that she has struggled and made a decision that by no means was easy.
Yes, the "haters" are those sticking up for the unborn children who are always a victim... Always... Sorry the 'haters" are those who weep for those who pay to have their own flesh and blood murdered in cold blood because they are too selfish to own up to their responsibility. They are worse than the infidel according to God's word...
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I hope this is all making sense, I'm a bit drugged up on cold medication. I just wish that people would understand that if YOU don't want an abortion then YOU don't have to have one. No one is forcing you, but on the other hand, don't force your decision upon others.
To bad your "don't force your decision upon others." view isn't passed along to the victim of every abortion, that being the murdered children...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:19:06 PM
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Thanks! I'm not saying at all that life isn't precious. I see that more and more everyday. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of birth control, that we can just be promiscuous and then have an abortion. In my opinion that is wrong. But the reason that I'm pro-choice is just that, I believe in choice.
You say it's wrong, you support the right to do so, and you have no idea if God is against it, and you even consider that God might sanction it... You certainly have all the bases covered...
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Wasn't it Jesus who gave us free will in the first place?
Free will isn't a licensee to murder and or do as one pleases... Any thoughts of consequences come into the picture from where you stand?
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I can't say whether God sanctions abortion or not, to me the scripture isn't clear on the issue.
To get some bearing on this what is "clear" in scripture? Honestly you really wonder if God sanction something like abortion? What "scripture" causes you to even consider God to sanction man taking life without just cause?
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I wish that every woman who was pregnant had the emotional, spiritual and financial stability to raise their child, but the fact is that they don't. My biggest problem is that most pro-lifers are also pro-haters, I have no problem loving a woman who has opted for abortion, completely understanding that she has struggled and made a decision that by no means was easy.
Yes, the "haters" are those sticking up for the unborn children who are always a victim... Always... Sorry the 'haters" are those who weep for those who pay to have their own flesh and blood murdered in cold blood because they are too selfish to own up to their responsibility. They are worse than the infidel according to God's word...
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I hope this is all making sense, I'm a bit drugged up on cold medication. I just wish that people would understand that if YOU don't want an abortion then YOU don't have to have one. No one is forcing you, but on the other hand, don't force your decision upon others.
To bad your "don't force your decision upon others." view isn't passed along to the victim of every abortion, that being the murdered children...
Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:23:27 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
So if God kills, we can too?
The height of excusim.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:27:04 PM
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John,
Chill out. I said I didn't know what Gods views are on it. Until I'm clear on the issue I'll continue to be pro choice. Probably even if it's possible to be sure on the issue I'll still be pro choice. I believe in a free will. Last time I checked we all had one.
In order for a murder to have taken place there has had to be a life. That's common sense. My problem is that I'm not sure when life begins. If life begins at the point of conception then why are not all states charging people for killing a pregnant woman with two murders?
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:27:30 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
So if God kills, we can too?
The height of excusim.
Did I mention anything about us being able to kill? I was just making a point.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:28:44 PM
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Thanks! I'm not saying at all that life isn't precious. I see that more and more everyday. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of birth control, that we can just be promiscuous and then have an abortion. In my opinion that is wrong. But the reason that I'm pro-choice is just that, I believe in choice.
You say it's wrong, you support the right to do so, and you have no idea if God is against it, and you even consider that God might sanction it... You certainly have all the bases covered...
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Wasn't it Jesus who gave us free will in the first place?
Free will isn't a licensee to murder and or do as one pleases... Any thoughts of consequences come into the picture from where you stand?
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I can't say whether God sanctions abortion or not, to me the scripture isn't clear on the issue.
To get some bearing on this what is "clear" in scripture? Honestly you really wonder if God sanction something like abortion? What "scripture" causes you to even consider God to sanction man taking life without just cause?
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I wish that every woman who was pregnant had the emotional, spiritual and financial stability to raise their child, but the fact is that they don't. My biggest problem is that most pro-lifers are also pro-haters, I have no problem loving a woman who has opted for abortion, completely understanding that she has struggled and made a decision that by no means was easy.
Yes, the "haters" are those sticking up for the unborn children who are always a victim... Always... Sorry the 'haters" are those who weep for those who pay to have their own flesh and blood murdered in cold blood because they are too selfish to own up to their responsibility. They are worse than the infidel according to God's word...
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I hope this is all making sense, I'm a bit drugged up on cold medication. I just wish that people would understand that if YOU don't want an abortion then YOU don't have to have one. No one is forcing you, but on the other hand, don't force your decision upon others.
To bad your "don't force your decision upon others." view isn't passed along to the victim of every abortion, that being the murdered children...
Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Theology 101.... God's ways are higher... God is not man, there is no questioning His motives... The Creator doing has He pleases with His creation is one thing, man acting like God is a bad thing...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:39:34 PM
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John,
Chill out.
Sorry... No emotions outburst here.. Just posting...
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I said I didn't know what Gods views are on it.
If so, what is the basis for you saying it's wrong? Other than trying to play both sides...
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Until I'm clear on the issue I'll continue to be pro choice. Probably even if it's possible to be sure on the issue I'll still be pro choice. I believe in a free will. Last time I checked we all had one.
A "right" to murder isn't sanctioned by free will... Because God doesn't strike one down for each sin committed isn't expressed consent... What did you check the last time, the secular handbook? I wasn't aware the bible spoke of free will equating to the right to act in a sinful manner...
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In order for a murder to have taken place there has had to be a life. That's common sense. My problem is that I'm not sure when life begins.
Common sense would dictate that if one isn't sure they would lean on the side of not destroying what is arguably life... Of course given your stance on "free will and undoubtedly Christian Liberty it's covered, correct?
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If life begins at the point of conception then why are not all states charging people for killing a pregnant woman with two murders?
Because people have little regard for the life of the unborn... The "right" to choice is held in much higher regard...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:41:18 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
So if God kills, we can too?
The height of excusim.
Did I mention anything about us being able to kill? I was just making a point.
Your post can only be taken as rationalizing the actions of man with God's... And if not "what you meant" it's your fault for being vague...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:46:29 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Are you being dense on purpose, or do you really think this is a valid argument? Do you really not understand the Holiness and Sovereignty of God over life? He can take the life out of whomever He wants whenever He wants in whatever manner He wants, and He will be right in doing so every time. Your view of humanity is all screwed up. God can take life because it is all His. We CANNOT take life except for under certain prescribed circumstances such as capital punishment and just war. There is a reason 'DO NOT MURDER' is one of the Ten stinkin' Commandments!!! Jimminy Cricket... you make my blood pressure rise.
"You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay, that the thing made should say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?" - Isaiah 29:16
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:14-24
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:50:39 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Are you being dense on purpose, or do you really think this is a valid argument? Do you really not understand the Holiness and Sovereignty of God over life? He can take the life out of whomever He wants whenever He wants in whatever manner He wants, and He will be right in doing so every time. Your view of humanity is all screwed up. God can take life because it is all His. We CANNOT take life except for under certain prescribed circumstances such as capital punishment and just war. There is a reason 'DO NOT MURDER' is one of the Ten stinkin' Commandments!!! Jimminy Cricket... you make my blood pressure rise.
"You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay, that the thing made should say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?" - Isaiah 29:16
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:14-24
Take a "chill" pill. I was only making a point. No need to go off on a "tangent". 
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 9:53:56 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Are you being dense on purpose, or do you really think this is a valid argument? Do you really not understand the Holiness and Sovereignty of God over life? He can take the life out of whomever He wants whenever He wants in whatever manner He wants, and He will be right in doing so every time. Your view of humanity is all screwed up. God can take life because it is all His. We CANNOT take life except for under certain prescribed circumstances such as capital punishment and just war. There is a reason 'DO NOT MURDER' is one of the Ten stinkin' Commandments!!! Jimminy Cricket... you make my blood pressure rise.
"You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay, that the thing made should say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?" - Isaiah 29:16
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:14-24
Take a "chill" pill. I was only making a point. No need to go off on a "tangent".
What point? And now when it comes back on you people have to chill? Too funny...
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 10:00:43 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Are you being dense on purpose, or do you really think this is a valid argument? Do you really not understand the Holiness and Sovereignty of God over life? He can take the life out of whomever He wants whenever He wants in whatever manner He wants, and He will be right in doing so every time. Your view of humanity is all screwed up. God can take life because it is all His. We CANNOT take life except for under certain prescribed circumstances such as capital punishment and just war. There is a reason 'DO NOT MURDER' is one of the Ten stinkin' Commandments!!! Jimminy Cricket... you make my blood pressure rise.
"You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay, that the thing made should say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?" - Isaiah 29:16
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:14-24
Take a "chill" pill. I was only making a point. No need to go off on a "tangent".
What point? And now when it comes back on you people have to chill? Too funny...
I simply was stating the fact that God killed babies and children too. Is that so hard to comprehend.
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RE: Evangelicals For Obama, How Could that Be? - 11/1/2008 10:03:32 PM
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Even God killed babies and children in the OT. Would you call him a murderer?
Are you being dense on purpose, or do you really think this is a valid argument? Do you really not understand the Holiness and Sovereignty of God over life? He can take the life out of whomever He wants whenever He wants in whatever manner He wants, and He will be right in doing so every time. Your view of humanity is all screwed up. God can take life because it is all His. We CANNOT take life except for under certain prescribed circumstances such as capital punishment and just war. There is a reason 'DO NOT MURDER' is one of the Ten stinkin' Commandments!!! Jimminy Cricket... you make my blood pressure rise.
"You turn things upside down! Shall the potter be regarded as the clay, that the thing made should say of its maker, He did not make me; or the thing formed say of him who formed it, He has no understanding?" - Isaiah 29:16
"What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills. 19 You will say to me then, Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will? 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, Why have you made me like this? 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?" - Romans 9:14-24
Take a "chill" pill. I was only making a point. No need to go off on a "tangent".
What point? And now when it comes back on you people have to chill? Too funny...
I simply was stating the fact that God killed babies and children too. Is that so hard to comprehend.
For no reason? Sorry I am not that daft...
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Proverbs 12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
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