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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/1/2008 9:51:38 PM
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SonInMe1
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To critisize Obama will make you a racist. This will be the new definition of racism.
To be against government programs and welfare makes you selfish and elitist. This will be the new definition of elitism.
The terms will be redefined so anything against the One will be seen as socially unacceptable. No comment made by traditional conservatism will be seen as anything but hatred and bigotry.
ITS OBAMA'S BASE.
Liberals will once again get what they want, fail and cause misery, and find someone to blame or make the excuse their way wasn't truly followed. Its classic denial. You see it every day here in forums.
The paradoxical existance of christian liberals proves this point. Those who vote for the candidate that will increase abortions and homosexual agendas and proclaim Christ will never see beyond their rhetoric.
All we can do is stick to the topic and debate the merits of their position and pray God will eventually reveal His truth to them.
It did for me. It CAN for them too.....just don't hold your breath
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/1/2008 10:00:00 PM
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It will also include my efforts to cause my party of choice - the GOP - to truly represent my conservative views. To that end it may mean that if they can or will not do that then they will know that it will leave me no other way to turn but to support another party of opposition, and I will commit to build that opposition party that can truly represent me.
Save me a place on that GOP bandwagon if it ever gets on the right course- which is quite simply the course way to the right that it is on now. : )
Rodger, it'll never get on the "right course" if conservatives all wait for it to change on its own.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/1/2008 11:13:26 PM
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Agreed with the OP.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 8:57:43 AM
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bzirk
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1
To critisize Obama will make you a racist. This will be the new definition of racism.
To be against government programs and welfare makes you selfish and elitist. This will be the new definition of elitism.
The terms will be redefined so anything against the One will be seen as socially unacceptable. No comment made by traditional conservatism will be seen as anything but hatred and bigotry.
ITS OBAMA'S BASE.
Liberals will once again get what they want, fail and cause misery, and find someone to blame or make the excuse their way wasn't truly followed. Its classic denial. You see it every day here in forums.
The paradoxical existance of christian liberals proves this point. Those who vote for the candidate that will increase abortions and homosexual agendas and proclaim Christ will never see beyond their rhetoric.
All we can do is stick to the topic and debate the merits of their position and pray God will eventually reveal His truth to them.
It did for me. It CAN for them too.....just don't hold your breath
This bears repeating.
As for the original post of this thread -- calling defeat -- I guess I don't believe in quitting until it's over. I wasn't even going to be in this fight this year. I was going to stay home because I was so disgusted with our choices. and thereby defeated before even starting. But once I got in, I'm in, and I'll be pretty blunt about having a hard time with people who go into a fight half heartedly -- read that: when it looks like they're losing, they give up. This is exactly our problem, my friends. We don't win because we don't weather the seemingly bad times. We conservatives give up too often. Not enough resolve. We better get some and soon since not to have it is going to cost dearly.
Where are the fighters? And by fighters I don't mean dragging people through the mud with half-truths. I mean people who continue to tell friends and neighbors and anyone else they're led to speak to what is occurring. I'm not talking about strong-arming everyone you know either. LOL! Heck most people are scared to death to talk about politics outside of this forum yet that speech to another person face to face is powerful. I will admit I tread carefully due to ministry issues. The way I approach it is by using the socratic method. This seems to get the best results.
BTW, the fight should continue on well past this election, and it should be for the hearts and minds of the young people in this country. I remember a friend of mine who's around my age saying about Obama, "My goodness, he's all but admitted he's a socialist. This should help McCain." To which I said, "It doesn't matter, since so many people and especially young people think socialism is good." Then there was the news reporter in Florida who brought up Marxism with Biden and he got so offended. What a joke. He didn't have to do a thing since most people DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. This dumbing down is leading to bondage, and it's important to note that the dumbing down starts with spiritual matters. So my fight will be to minister to people -- to love them, which part of that will be telling them the truth.
I want to reiterate that I said a lot earlier this year about not voting at all. I had a change of heart when I thought long and hard about the judge choices. That got me moving. If nothing else, I do not want to see the judge choices that Obama makes. If you're losing heart, keep that aspect of his potential presidency in mind.
All that aside, I agree with TAFKAM about praying for whomever is our president and walking by the Spirit in all that we do so that our behavior cannot in good conscience be seen as anything other than revealing the Lord.
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Great quote: I just ain't God and don't know it all. -- SonInMe1
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 9:49:06 AM
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LivingParadox
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Oh, I haven't conceded the fight until all votes are counted. I'm just agreeing with the premise that whether we agree with the President (whoever that might be) we are Americans who support and pray for our leaders. I don't think Obama should be immune from criticism simply because he's bi-racial. Now that is dumbing down of the masses and showing a lack of respect if people don't believe he can receive criticism just like any leader would receive.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 9:51:23 AM
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Accepting the reality that Obama will probably win and preparing for it does not preclude one from doing everything they can to help McCain win. Its not quitting unless you stop doing whatever you can to help McCain win. Perhaps Tafkam wanted to get this out beforehand so that there won't be a whole bunch of heat of the moment tasteless stuff said about Obama right after he wins (if he does indeed win).
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 5:26:51 PM
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You know, in one sense an Obama win is going to have very little effect on me personally; in the next four years I will do what I have done the last twenty or so; pray, serve God, speak the truth, do what I must to provide well for my family and for those with whom I have a connection and who are in need, and those liberties we have been allowed as Americans.
Some of those will certainly become more difficult for me to do after he is eleceted, but the fact is I don't vote for for what effect an election is going to have on me, but on what effect I think it's going to have on others; the unborn, our children who are going to be growing up in an increasingly immoral society that is going to be increasingly antagonistic to their Christian faith, and for many Americans who will be ultimately impoverished by false forms of bureaucratic 'charity'.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 9:37:09 PM
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bzirk
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Livingparadox,
I agree that we can recognize a potential loss while still fighting for a victory.
Jack,
I vote for the same reasons.
As for the judges Obama may choose, they will not do as much damage during my lifetime as they will during my children's and their children's. That's the chief reason I'm voting for McCain, and frankly, it was the chief reason I voted for Bush in both elections.
But if Obama wins, my soul will not be in jeopardy. My pocketbook for sure but not my soul.
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may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. Romans 15:13
Great quote: I just ain't God and don't know it all. -- SonInMe1
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/2/2008 10:00:09 PM
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Jhud
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As for the judges Obama may choose, they will not do as much damage during my lifetime as they will during my children's and their children's. That's the chief reason I'm voting for McCain, and frankly, it was the chief reason I voted for Bush in both elections.
Yes and their is an added concern in that Obama has promised to pass legislation that will make future judge appointments moot; namely the Freedom of Choice Act.
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But if Obama wins, my soul will not be in jeopardy. My pocketbook for sure but not my soul.
I agree wholeheartedly; and the reality is if Obama messes up too much economically we can expect a congressional turnover in 2010; but that won't change the moral and social issues that will occur before then, and it won't stop bad judges.
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I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/4/2008 4:09:45 PM
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yustme
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Despite polls showing some measure of last minute momentum for John McCain, I have serious doubts that he will be able to overcome Obama's lead, and I have resigned myself to the fact that we may very well wake up Nov 5th to the words "President elect Barack Hussein Obama".
If you're like me, you are not happy about this, and you are probably, and rightfully, concerned about the direction that Obama will take our nation. Granted, he may only be a one term President, but the damage he will do to this nation will take decades to undo.
However, I would hope that we as conservatives, during the aftermath of the election and during the subsequent four years, would take a higher road than we have seen from our liberal friends during George Bush's two terms in office. We have seen character assassination on a mass scale, accusations of "stolen elections", and a level of sheer, stark raving hatred on a level I have never witnessed for a single human being.
Would it be too much to ask that we show ourselves to be made of stronger stuff, to operate on a slightly deeper level of discourse, and to accord the office of President the respect it deserves, even if it's not "our guy" in the Oval Office? The left has shown us vividly what it is made of the last eight years, so the standard shouldn't be very hard to surpass, but I would hope that we would conduct ourselves in a manner that is light years removed from the vitriol and anger we have seen so graphically displayed.
I for one, will commit to acknowledge this man as "President Obama", and I will commit to pray for him, as I have for George Bush, and as I did for Bill Clinton. And I will correct anyone who dares to disrespect the office he holds.
Does that mean Obama will escape criticism? Of course not. But I think we can do better than bumper sticker slogans (remember "Bush Lied, Kids Died"), or comparing the President to a zoo animal, filthy takes on his last name, etc.....I think we can make our displeasure and disagreement known without descending to sixth grade playground language and juvenile barbs.
I'm praying that there is still some civility and respect left in this country, and I hope that "my side" will be the ones to demonstrate it.
What say you?
[Moderator Note: The OP has expressed his desire that only conservatives post in this thread. Please honor that request.]
Tafkam,what a Godly post.
On this,I'm with you all the way.God Bless you sir.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/4/2008 4:48:19 PM
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Would it be too much to ask that we show ourselves to be made of stronger stuff, to operate on a slightly deeper level of discourse, and to accord the office of President the respect it deserves, even if it's not "our guy" in the Oval Office? The left has shown us vividly what it is made of the last eight years, so the standard shouldn't be very hard to surpass, but I would hope that we would conduct ourselves in a manner that is light years removed from the vitriol and anger we have seen so graphically displayed.
I don't think that I will have a hard time at all honoring your request because though I feel myself to be a conservative socially (adamantly opposed to the spread of abortion, homosexual marriage, etc.), I have not attached my conservative leanings to any political party.
Throughout this "campaign" I have never once called either a Democratic or Republican leader anything other than their given name nor do I plan to begin to do so now. Here in this forum, I have denounced crude reference to either political party because both EQUALLY are one thing-not the CHURCH. As such, neither political party is elevated over the other in my mind. I'm just troubled and dismayed that so many of my brothers and sisters in Christ do not necessarily see it the same way-not because I am so arrogant as to believe my view to be the only view, but because the example I see of Jesus Christ tells me that HE admonished us to "render unto caesar that which is caesar's but unto GOD that which is GOD'S".
I am a little dismayed at the tone even of this thread-first and foremost, it relegates "conservative" views to a very narrow purview indeed-though I will say that I am a conservative, I am NOT a Republican nor am I a Democrat. I am able to respect and pray for my leadership because I align my political views with the Word of God as He has transmitted it to me-not a temporal "political party". I see no contradiction in saying that I am a conservative and saying that I care about the way people are cared for physically by our government-because JESUS cared about the very same things.
I think you may want to address your request to those who so avidly follow a political ideology (more specifically, a political party) that they are willing to disrespectfully address another of God's children with crude mockeries of their names and specious lies about their character (while at the same time, claming the name of Christ). CONSERVATIVE is a universal description-not a description of a political party or it's leanings. I can show you both conservative and liberal leanings in BOTH parties.
I love the dialog on this topic, I just wish it was coming from a different place.
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/4/2008 5:09:26 PM
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While me posting here may seem like an unwelcome intrusion, I am quite conservative - socially at least.
(I did not, by the way, vote for Barack Obama)
All I wish to say to those who are hoping for a McCain victory is - it ain't over till it's over. If tomorrow, John McCain is the president-elect, it won't surprise me one bit.
Good night everybody - I for one am relieved this election year ends today (or tomorrow at the latest).
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/4/2008 5:30:25 PM
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SonInMe1
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I am as conservative as it comes and have criticized Bush.
I have not called him stupid or a murderer or a liar.
I never was on the conspiricy bandwagon against Clinton.
Issues. Its about issues. Its about leadership.
I have listened to pure hatred from the left concerning Bush for almost 8 years. The Bush bashing thread is so long and filled with such hatred I stopped going there a long time ago.
It proves a point I made a long time ago. People's faith is more important than fact. Time and again fact is overlooked to politics. IF Obama wins, we must face the issues, not pesonalities.
Lets start a true conservative movement and Obama winning the election is a great opportunity for us to do that. Energize conservatism. If the republicans still venture toward the left, call them on it. Don't vote republican if they have made that drift. Go third party in the mid term elections if that is what it takes to take our party back.
It might be time to start a new party.
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4
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RE: To My Fellow Conservatives.... - 11/4/2008 6:57:31 PM
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To my fellow conservatives I would say this.........
There are times to rejoice and there are times to humble ourselves. There are times to take pride in our good works and there are times to admit we made serious errors in judgement. There are times to reflect back on our past and see all the fruits we have produced as well as all the mistakes we have made. Tonight, I strongly believe the American People will go to the polls and vote their displeasure with us conservatives, as they rightly should. Tonight, I believe the Lord will speak and it will be Obama who will be the next president of the United States. Let God's will be done and may we humbly accept His will in our lives.
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(still praying hard against that one) then I pray that I will not behave in the same manner that others have in their disapproval of President Bush. 
